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hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 14 @ 9:34 AM ET
But why have m they all regressed? Is it coaching or do they want out of a dysfunctional org? Maybe they’re used to losing now. I don’t have an answer here.
- Hextall271

My opinion is a combo of it all.

1. Pro development is not good.

2. Players are overrated.

3. Coaching.

4. def used to losing- the complacency part.

all 4 (plus other things) can be true. There is not just 1 area.

Like I said yesterday. Who does a TK go to for advice on how to improve is offensive game? Lappy? Dave Brown? Chris Stewart?
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Jan 14 @ 9:36 AM ET
My opinion is a combo of it all.

1. Pro development is not good.

2. Players are overrated.

3. Coaching.

4. def used to losing- the complacency part.

all 4 (plus other things) can be true. There is not just 1 area.

Like I said yesterday. Who does a TK go to for advice on how to improve is offensive game? Lappy? Dave Brown? Chris Stewart?

- hello it's me 2050


This is the list. Time (and new leadership) will tell what weights they should be assigned. I totally agree about your question. Ugh. Talk about your bad options.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 14 @ 9:37 AM ET
The only thing that’s comforting right now is how bad this team is falling on its face. It may force them into making big changes and certainly they’ve cemented themselves As sellers
- Just5


The Flyers will go on a meaningless period of good hockey late and the team will assess that it was about injury and illness and all they have to do is another off season of bonehead moves and they'll be right there. The only team in the league who thinks they can fast track their team to the top with a few off season moves by a GM who hasn't built anything in the NHL in 12 years as a GM.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 14 @ 9:38 AM ET
After a decade of poor play, poor coaching and horrid management, it’s really getting hard to give a damn about this team.

Hey Crapcast, either completely clean house from top to bottom or sell the friggin team. A decade of incompetence is enough already!
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 14 @ 9:38 AM ET
Williams, Carter, Richards, Sharp, Maroon, Mellanby ... to name just a few. Is this list familiar? What happens after is not "what it is", it shows that we get important talent decisions wrong a lot. What I am saying is that the management that signs Willman, Seeler, MacEwen, Brown, damaged goods like Ellis, ships out Ghost, screws up NAK and puts Lappy in charge of developing talent should not be making decisions and evaluating our talent. Any outcomes with them in charge would be stupid.
- iamscore2day

first of all Richards and Carter performed very well when they were here.

Sharp, give me a break. No one and I mean non one though he would be the player he turned into. No one. No team has a perfect average. they got a solid player (at the time) in return who clearly did pan out

Maroon lol. Clearly you know nothing about the back story on why he was moved. He was problem on and off the ice. He was spoken to numerous times about his antics.

The other points are very valid.
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Jan 14 @ 9:39 AM ET
When does he have to start producing? He's 24 now and they gave him a pretty significant contract. Sorry you can't go 20 games without scoring a goal. It's ridiculous at this point.
- PLindbergh31

The whole thing is ridiculous. He is one of our few guys who could go and play on a fast, finesse team and the drought is maddening but he has talent and we can't throw him out when there is something bigger going wrong with the team that could be a big reason for it.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 14 @ 9:39 AM ET


Oh, one more thing while I'm at it. That ESPN announcing crew last night was horrific!!
I don't know who the lead guy was, but he kept getting confused as to which player had the puck. Kept correcting himself all night. A.J Melosko(however you spell it) should have been down at ice level and Boooooooosh should have been the color guy. Thanks again!

- Phillywhiteout



Agree. Only Boucher was worth listening to. The rest of them are not good. And their between periods segments are completely unwatchable. ESPN sucks
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 14 @ 9:40 AM ET

Lindblom-Giroux-TK
Brassard-Hayes-Atkinson
JVR-Frost-Farabee
MacEwen-Bunnaman-Sandin

Whoever plays best and gets results, they get to be the top line and the most minutes.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Jan 14 @ 9:40 AM ET
The Flyers will go on a meaningless period of good hockey late and the team will assess that it was about injury and illness and all they have to do is another off season of bonehead moves and they'll be right there. The only team in the league who thinks they can fast track their team to the top with a few off season moves by a GM who hasn't built anything in the NHL in 12 years as a GM.
- MJL


What does fast track mean? I know you think Ronnie needed more time. His 5 years here gave us zero difference makers. I think your version of fast track would be 5 years, since you loved ronnies 15 year plan.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 14 @ 9:42 AM ET
Good point. I realize there was a mad scramble in front but I think what I’m trying to say is if Hart kept his technique he would have had a good chance at making that save. As you know, he has a tendency to drop that glove hand too soon. But it was a rocket of a shot! Good stuff man!
- HockeyLifer


Yes. Good discussion and I enjoy taking about goalie technique. What happened there is that he went into emergency mode. 5 on 3 scramble and maybe he could have kept that glove up but I tell you. If he makes that save it’s luck and it would just hit him because of a screen.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 14 @ 9:42 AM ET
Honestly, it’s like he’s completely disengaged. I was an all star in 2020? Do all these players want to get traded?
- Hextall271


Doesn't seem unreasonable at this point
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 14 @ 9:42 AM ET
This is what the HB amatuer GM's don't see that declare Frost will never be anything in the NHL after 39 games.
Even worse, here is what the Flyers continue to do with young players and why they completely suck at developing players. They put a player in the lineup and let him play for a little bit and then when they see a player struggle in an area of a game, they sit him down, show him video. Maybe scratch him or demote him in the lineup. Works really good! Instead of what they should be doing, which is instead of having tunnel vision on trying to win in what is obviously a lost season. Let's invest in a young player and put a skilled young player with some of the skilled players on the team. Last night in the game at 5 on 5, Frost played with Atkinson for 12 seconds. Played with JVR for 33 seconds. Farabee 31 seconds. Konecny 9 seconds. Giroux zero! So you have a player that is struggling in some areas and instead of giving him more support in a better situation to help him get going. They play him in a situation that is not conducive to his development. The Flyers do this constantly. They are bonehead idiots when it comes to developing young players. They are specialists at ruining young players.

- MJL

It’s a tossup between the developmental staff and the medical/training staff for the most inept part of the organization award.

No, scratch that, that award needs to go to Dave Scott.

#Fireeveryoneorsellthedamnteam!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 14 @ 9:44 AM ET
Agreed! Tough crowd!! Hart had no chance on that third goal! It was a blast from between the circles during a scramble and Hart was screened as well. Ken Dryden probably would have whiffed on that one, but whatever.
- Phillywhiteout

On the 3rd goal, Sanheim got completely pummeled by Bergeron, that more than anything else is why that goal was scored. Hart never saw it. Sanheim is another player I have seen enough of. He is weak, routinely gets pushed around and loses too many puck battles. The first Bruins' goal was at least partially on Sanheim also.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 14 @ 9:44 AM ET
Yeah. I know it’s just my opinion but the focus right now shouldn’t be on the performance of the tenders. They've done what they can though this mess.
- Hextall271


Exactly. They don't even make the bottom of the list of things that need to be addressed.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 14 @ 9:45 AM ET
On the 3rd goal, Sanheim got completely pummeled by Bergeron, that more than anything else is why that goal was scored. Hart never saw it. Sanheim is another player I have seen enough of. He is weak, routinely gets pushed around and loses too many puck battles. The first Bruins' goal was at least partially on Sanheim also.
- jd250


At least Sanheim mopped the floor with 5'4" Nathan Gerbe.
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Jan 14 @ 9:45 AM ET
first of all Richards and Carter performed very well when they were here.

Sharp, give me a break. No one and I mean non one though he would be the player he turned into. No one. No team has a perfect average. they got a solid player (at the time) in return who clearly did pan out

Maroon lol. Clearly you know nothing about the back story on why he was moved. He was problem on and off the ice. He was spoken to numerous times about his antics.

The other points are very valid.

- hello it's me 2050

Fair enough about Maroon but there was talent there and other organizations got it out of him and we get to watch one of our draft picks realize his potential. When your business involves drafting 18 year old alpha males, you ought to have some programs to deal with what is within the range of foreseeable conduct. As for Sharp, that guy we got never played anything for us if memory serves. Chicago saw something in Sharp though, which is why he has 2 rings. Another in a long line of bad assessments by the Flyers.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 14 @ 9:48 AM ET
The Flyers will go on a meaningless period of good hockey late and the team will assess that it was about injury and illness and all they have to do is another off season of bonehead moves and they'll be right there. The only team in the league who thinks they can fast track their team to the top with a few off season moves by a GM who hasn't built anything in the NHL in 12 years as a GM.
- MJL

I really don't think the assessment is going to happen this way. You are not giving Fletcher or Yeo any credit that they see what is going on, but again, what else is new? Injuries and Covid are certainly facts that cannot be ignored. However there are so many deeper issues with this team that Yeo talks about presser after presser, its clear a much more significant reset is coming.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Jan 14 @ 9:52 AM ET
Fair enough about Maroon but there was talent there and other organizations got it out of him and we get to watch one of our draft picks realize his potential. When your business involves drafting 18 year old alpha males, you ought to have some programs to deal with what is within the range of foreseeable conduct. As for Sharp, that guy we got never played anything for us if memory serves. Chicago saw something in Sharp though, which is why he has 2 rings. Another in a long line of bad assessments by the Flyers.
- iamscore2day


Maroon was a headcase here, he said himself that was his wake up call getting kicked off the team. Had nothing to do with talent. Hitchcock wouldnt use Sharp effectively. So might as well trade him. That was on hitch.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 14 @ 9:55 AM ET
But why have m they all regressed? Is it coaching or do they want out of a dysfunctional org? Maybe they’re used to losing now. I don’t have an answer here.
- Hextall271

Losing is contagious, and there has a been a very long period of losing here, except for a few months in 2019.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 14 @ 9:55 AM ET
Fair enough about Maroon but there was talent there and other organizations got it out of him and we get to watch one of our draft picks realize his potential. When your business involves drafting 18 year old alpha males, you ought to have some programs to deal with what is within the range of foreseeable conduct. As for Sharp, that guy we got never played anything for us if memory serves. Chicago saw something in Sharp though, which is why he has 2 rings. Another in a long line of bad assessments by the Flyers.
- iamscore2day

It wasnt going to happen for Maroon here. He is to blame for that. They helped him and intervened.

Stop with Sharpe. Yes they saw an NHL player. Not what he turned into. He was traded as a favor because he wasn't getting any playing time here at the time. He was not in the top 4 centers on the depth chart.

hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 14 @ 9:57 AM ET
I really don't think the assessment is going to happen this way. You are not giving Fletcher or Yeo any credit that they see what is going on, but again, what else is new? Injuries and Covid are certainly facts that cannot be ignored. However there are so many deeper issues with this team that Yeo talks about presser after presser, its clear a much more significant reset is coming.
- jd250

Stop. Yeo and Fletcher are not the answer or part of any solution going forward.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 14 @ 9:58 AM ET
This is what the HB amatuer GM's don't see that declare Frost will never be anything in the NHL after 39 games.
Even worse, here is what the Flyers continue to do with young players and why they completely suck at developing players. They put a player in the lineup and let him play for a little bit and then when they see a player struggle in an area of a game, they sit him down, show him video. Maybe scratch him or demote him in the lineup. Works really good! Instead of what they should be doing, which is instead of having tunnel vision on trying to win in what is obviously a lost season. Let's invest in a young player and put a skilled young player with some of the skilled players on the team. Last night in the game at 5 on 5, Frost played with Atkinson for 12 seconds. Played with JVR for 33 seconds. Farabee 31 seconds. Konecny 9 seconds. Giroux zero! So you have a player that is struggling in some areas and instead of giving him more support in a better situation to help him get going. They play him in a situation that is not conducive to his development. The Flyers do this constantly. They are bonehead idiots when it comes to developing young players. They are specialists at ruining young players.

- MJL

Young players must earn the right to move up in the lineup and play with the better forwards on the team. They do this by busting their butts shift after shift and making a noticeable impact to the game no matter who they are playing with. Frost has not earned the right IMO, he is invisible most nights.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 14 @ 9:59 AM ET
Stop. Yeo and Fletcher are not the answer or part of any solution going forward.
- hello it's me 2050

And you know this how exactly? Again I ask, how many coaches and GMs have to come through before we start holding the players accountable?
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Jan 14 @ 10:03 AM ET
Stop. Yeo and Fletcher are not the answer or part of any solution going forward.
- hello it's me 2050

Yup. That much is clear.
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Jan 14 @ 10:06 AM ET
It wasnt going to happen for Maroon here. He is to blame for that. They helped him and intervened.

Stop with Sharpe. Yes they saw an NHL player. Not what he turned into. He was traded as a favor because he wasn't getting any playing time here at the time. He was not in the top 4 centers on the depth chart.

- hello it's me 2050

But this is the thing, he is on the list and is not an isolated situation. Perhaps he is not the poster child for this (Carter and Willams would be my candidates) but he can’t be dismissed is my point.
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