This is seizure inducing.
- JimmyP

Ironically enough, so is Bailey.

Ironically enough, so is Bailey.
- Wildschwein

If the Islanders are truly out of mathematically, I move the following players
Chara, Greene, Bailey, Varly, Palmieri, Pariesi, Casey, Clutter, Martin

Depending on the offer, I move the following players
AB, Mayfield, Salo, Aho

Untouchables
Barzal, Pullock, Pelech, Dobson. Walhstrom, Lee, JGP, Sorokin, Nelson
- Nfdbulldawg

So basically, you're going full gut job. Let's start with your untouchables. I agree with that 100%.
Chara & Greene have very little to no value, so I think we're stuck with them for the whole season. Chara has been looking better as of late though.
Palmeri & Parisi have some value and could be moved as depth. Probably not more than 3rd or 4th round pick for either.
Casey, Martin & Clutz are the oddity to me. As a line they obviously have value. Individually though, I'm not sure what the market bears for them. Of course there is a market for them. Clutz I think brings in the least assets.
As for the bold, yeah, for the right offer I could trade them.

So basically, you're going full gut job. Let's start with your untouchables. I agree with that 100%.
Chara & Greene have very little to no value, so I think we're stuck with them for the whole season. Chara has been looking better as of late though.
Palmeri & Parisi have some value and could be moved as depth. Probably not more than 3rd or 4th round pick for either.
Casey, Martin & Clutz are the oddity to me. As a line they obviously have value. Individually though, I'm not sure what the market bears for them. Of course there is a market for them. Clutz I think brings in the least assets.
As for the bold, yeah, for the right offer I could trade them.
- Isleshockeyman

There is a zero percent chance ANYONE takes on Palmieri right now with his contract. We just have to hope he gets his crap together. Also, cizikas, clutter, and Martin have been pretty consistently useless this year. No team is taking on cizikas’s contract nor Martin’s. I can see someone taking clutter for a playoff run. That’s about it. These guys were all just signed to long term contracts and have collectively crapped the bed. No team wants them and their contracts.

There is a zero percent chance ANYONE takes on Palmieri right now with his contract. We just have to hope he gets his crap together. Also, cizikas, clutter, and Martin have been pretty consistently useless this year. No team is taking on cizikas’s contract nor Martin’s. I can see someone taking clutter for a playoff run. That’s about it. These guys were all just signed to long term contracts and have collectively crapped the bed. No team wants them and those contracts.
- Cptmjl

Lets face facts, the entire team has sh!t the bed this whole season. It hasn't just been a couple of guys.
Palms, obviously, hasn't done jack this year to warrant the contract. That I would definitely agree with. But he still has some value. Being 31 gives him experience and he can score goals. He's typically 20 - 25 a year, so he's not a sniper. He adds depth to a team looking to make a deep run.
CC & MM make $2.5m & $1.5m (respectively) which is not a huge hit. I'd guess that there are several teams that would take on Cizikas' contract to have a good 4th line center. As for Martin, at $1.5m cap hit, someone would take him if for no other reason than to add a little grit.
Don't get me wrong, first round picks these guys will not bring, but there is still a little value to each of them.

Lets face facts, the entire team has sh!t the bed this whole season. It hasn't just been a couple of guys.
Palms, obviously, hasn't done jack this year to warrant the contract. That I would definitely agree with. But he still has some value. Being 31 gives him experience and he can score goals. He's typically 20 - 25 a year, so he's not a sniper. He adds depth to a team looking to make a deep run.
CC & MM make $2.5m & $1.5m (respectively) which is not a huge hit. I'd guess that there are several teams that would take on Cizikas' contract to have a good 4th line center. As for Martin, at $1.5m cap hit, someone would take him if for no other reason than to add a little grit.
Don't get me wrong, first round picks these guys will not bring, but there is still a little value to each of them.
- Isleshockeyman

Meh I don’t agree. Though I say this hoping you’re right.

Between the term and their performance this year I can’t see a team taking on any of the players you mentioned. We couldn’t give these guys away for free imo.

Meh I don’t agree. Though I say this hoping you’re right.

Between the term and their performance this year I can’t see a team taking on any of the players you mentioned. We couldn’t give these guys away for free imo.
- Cptmjl

I just see it this way. Guys with lots of NHL experience that are in their early 30's always have some value and teams are always looking for that. Palms is pretty pricey at $5m per and zero production, I'd agree, but there's always someone thinking that they can turn him around. And again, it's not just these guys that haven't performed. Most of the damn team hasn't performed. Wally has been doing fine, but everyone else has been maybe average or worse. Just not a good season.

I just see it this way. Guys with lots of NHL experience that are in their early 30's always have some value and teams are always looking for that. Palms is pretty pricey at $5m per and zero production, I'd agree, but there's always someone thinking that they can turn him around. And again, it's not just these guys that haven't performed. Most of the damn team hasn't performed. Wally has been doing fine, but everyone else has been maybe average or worse. Just not a good season.
- Isleshockeyman

I dunno. Nobody jumped at the chance to turn around Andrew Ladd who had lots of great experience. The Isles ended up having to trade assets (draft picks, I think) just to get the Coyotes to take him and his contract. And he only had a year or 2 left on his contract. I agree with Cpt on this one. Until Palms shows some signs of regaining last season's playoff form, I think he has negative value........especially with all those years left on his contract at $5 million per.

If the Islanders are truly out of mathematically, I move the following players
Chara, Greene, Bailey, Varly, Palmieri, Pariesi, Casey, Clutter, Martin

Depending on the offer, I move the following players
AB, Mayfield, Salo, Aho

Untouchables
Barzal, Pullock, Pelech, Dobson. Walhstrom, Lee, JGP, Sorokin, Nelson
- Nfdbulldawg

Your realistic candidates to be moved at the deadline are Chara, Greene, Clutterbuck, and Parise. I'd put an outside chance on Varlamov being moved to a team that is struggling in net and can accommodate his cap hit next year. Maybe a non-zero chance Beau gets moved, but that'd seem like an offseason trade...if it happens at all.

They're not trading Palmieri and Cizikas less than a year after signing them to big extensions, I don't recall an instance when that's really happened ever in the league (I'm sure there's one or two, but it's incredibly unlikely).

Your realistic candidates to be moved at the deadline are Chara, Greene, Clutterbuck, and Parise. I'd put an outside chance on Varlamov being moved to a team that is struggling in net and can accommodate his cap hit next year. Maybe a non-zero chance Beau gets moved, but that'd seem like an offseason trade...if it happens at all.

They're not trading Palmieri and Cizikas less than a year after signing them to big extensions, I don't recall an instance when that's really happened ever in the league (I'm sure there's one or two, but it's incredibly unlikely).
- eichiefs9

Yeah there’s that also but there isn’t a team out there taking on that term either. Double negative.

Yeah there’s that also but there isn’t a team out there taking on that term either. Double negative.
- Cptmjl

Yeah it's not even worth discussing moving either of those two, ain't happening. Not to mention Palmieri has a full NTC this year and next.

I dunno. Nobody jumped at the chance to turn around Andrew Ladd who had lots of great experience. The Isles ended up having to trade assets (draft picks, I think) just to get the Coyotes to take him and his contract. And he only had a year or 2 left on his contract. I agree with Cpt on this one. Until Palms shows some signs of regaining last season's playoff form, I think he has negative value........especially with all those years left on his contract at $5 million per.
- JohnScammo

The only real differences between the 2 is that Palms is 30 making $5m per and Ladd is 35 making $5.5m per (cap hit). That age difference is pretty significant in terms of hockey life. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Palms would bring back a first and/or a high end prospect. Merely that there is SOME value. Maybe a 6th or a 7th rounder. I don't see any of them getting moved, honestly. There just isn't enough value there for a team to make a move for Palms. There isn't a whole lot of value for most guys on this team, if we're going to ride that horse. There may be a handful of guys that have done their job and met or exceeded expectations. Everyone else has been horse sh!t.
Hopefully Lou makes some moves in the off-season to correct this. I can't see Chara, Parise or Greene being brought back. Although I do love the hustle of Parise, so that might win him some points.

The only real differences between the 2 is that Palms is 30 making $5m per and Ladd is 35 making $5.5m per (cap hit). That age difference is pretty significant in terms of hockey life. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Palms would bring back a first and/or a high end prospect. Merely that there is SOME value. Maybe a 6th or a 7th rounder. I don't see any of them getting moved, honestly. There just isn't enough value there for a team to make a move for Palms. There isn't a whole lot of value for most guys on this team, if we're going to ride that horse. There may be a handful of guys that have done their job and met or exceeded expectations. Everyone else has been horse sh!t.
Hopefully Lou makes some moves in the off-season to correct this. I can't see Chara, Parise or Greene being brought back. Although I do love the hustle of Parise, so that might win him some points.
- Isleshockeyman

That's a fair point about the age difference. Palms actually turns 31 in a couple of weeks, but the bigger negative for Palms is that he's got several years left on his contract, whereas I think Ladd was down to just two? One might also argue that Ladd had the better resume, since he had a couple of Stanley Cups to his name. Bottom line for me is that I suspect that any draft picks are going the wrong way to take Palms.

That's a fair point about the age difference. Palms actually turns 31 in a couple of weeks, but the bigger negative for Palms is that he's got several years left on his contract, whereas I think Ladd was down to just two? One might also argue that Ladd had the better resume, since he had a couple of Stanley Cups to his name. Bottom line for me is that I suspect that any draft picks are going the wrong way to take Palms.
- JohnScammo

Oh, I agree with that.

That's a fair point about the age difference. Palms actually turns 31 in a couple of weeks, but the bigger negative for Palms is that he's got several years left on his contract, whereas I think Ladd was down to just two? One might also argue that Ladd had the better resume, since he had a couple of Stanley Cups to his name. Bottom line for me is that I suspect that any draft picks are going the wrong way to take Palms.
- JohnScammo

Palmieri has a NTC through next season, so when we're even able to trade him he'll only have two years left as well

Palmieri has a NTC through next season, so when we're even able to trade him he'll only have two years left as well
- eichiefs9

The NTC makes the issue moot. Besides, I fully expect Palms to get back in the line up and turn around his season. Two years from now we'll be saying, "I can't believe we were even considering trading Palms."

The NTC makes the issue moot. Besides, I fully expect Palms to get back in the line up and turn around his season. Two years from now we'll be saying, "I can't believe we were even considering trading Palms."
- JohnScammo

That'd be a good problem to have

Chara will likely garner very little interest after the season he's had so far, but I can see someone forking over an end-of-the-draft pick for him just to keep him around as a 7th defenseman and good locker room guy.

I think Greene and Parise will generate considerable interest. Not going to get a ton for them, but maybe a 3rd or so would do it for each of them. They'd be really good depth pieces for a contender.

Clutterbuck is a good candidate to get traded, but I'm unsure of what the plans are for the future with him. Not that they can't re-sign him over the summer if he's traded, but I could see Lamoriello doing him a solid and not ship him out if he requests it.

That'd be a good problem to have

Chara will likely garner very little interest after the season he's had so far, but I can see someone forking over an end-of-the-draft pick for him just to keep him around as a 7th defenseman and good locker room guy.

I think Greene and Parise will generate considerable interest. Not going to get a ton for them, but maybe a 3rd or so would do it for each of them. They'd be really good depth pieces for a contender.

Clutterbuck is a good candidate to get traded, but I'm unsure of what the plans are for the future with him. Not that they can't re-sign him over the summer if he's traded, but I could see Lamoriello doing him a solid and not ship him out if he requests it.
- eichiefs9

I can see interest in Parise but Greene is 76 years old. I guess he could be a serviceable 7th. He's not great but he's not horrible either. Just long in the tooth and a couple steps slower.

I can see interest in Parise but Greene is 76 years old. I guess he could be a serviceable 7th. He's not great but he's not horrible either. Just long in the tooth and a couple steps slower.
- Isleshockeyman

I think Greene has largely had a good season, under the right expectations.

He's a pretty damn reliable 5/6 d-man that does a good job of playing that role with few mistakes. He's not going to change the course of any team's season, but for a team looking to boost their bottom pair or a real contender looking for depth insurance I could see him being a really good addition.

Hopefully Paimeiri stays in the press box and then he begs to waive his NTC.

You’d move Mayfield!?!

Who would you replace him with?
- Wildschwein

I would if the offer was good. I am not looking to move him. Again, it would have to be RIGHT DEAL.

I would if the offer was good. I am not looking to move him. Again, it would have to be RIGHT DEAL.
- Nfdbulldawg

Hmmm..... So Mayfield and Bailey for McDavid and Nurse? Oh, alright, if you must.


Seriously, Mayfield has been playing top pairing with Pelech while Pulock is out and doing pretty good. His cap hit is an unbelievable bargain (thanks to Snow ). I wouldn't part with him unless the return was substantial.

Hmmm..... So Mayfield and Bailey for McDavid and Nurse? Oh, alright, if you must.


Seriously, Mayfield has been playing top pairing with Pelech while Pulock is out and doing pretty good. His cap hit is an unbelievable bargain (thanks to Snow ). I wouldn't part with him unless the return was substantial.
- JohnScammo

There’s no way Lameriello trades mayfield imo. He had a monster playoffs last season and like you stated his contract is awesome. In a perfect world he’s a decent top 4 and a really good bottom pairing defender signed way below market value with term. His value to this team far outweighs whatever another team would be willing to give up for him.

There’s no way Lameriello trades mayfield imo. He had a monster playoffs last season and like you stated his contract is awesome. In a perfect world he’s a decent top 4 and a really good bottom pairing defender signed way below market value with term. His value to this team far outweighs whatever another team would be willing to give up for him.
- Cptmjl

Bailey is a monster playoff performer too

Leads the team in points over the last 3 playoffs

Hopefully Paimeiri stays in the press box and then he begs to waive his NTC.
- chazpet

Not really understanding all the Palmieri hate. I mean yeah, he’s had a poop start. But the guy is a proven scorer, and he was huge last year in the playoffs.

He’s going through a slump. All players do. It’ll pass.