Maybe if King would give Borgstrom the ice time he gives the Grenade Bunch, we would see more from Borgstrom. He and Kurashev were causing havoc last night playing on a donut line.
- Elbows15

I like Borgstrom and Kurashev, all these forwards have had chances up and down the line up, the other players aren't the reason why those 2 players aren't getting on the score sheet, these kids have much to learn at the NHL level

Maybe if King would give Borgstrom the ice time he gives the Grenade Bunch, we would see more from Borgstrom. He and Kurashev were causing havoc last night playing on a donut line.
- Elbows15

It should be interesting to see how they use Borgstrum when Dach, Strome and Connolly return (along with the addition of Lafferty). Personally I would send Entwistle down. He gets to the right places. But he has to develop the skills to make the necessary plays. A 4th line of Khaira, Lafferty and Connolly would not be terrible. That would give you a top 9 of Debrincat, Kane, Toews, Kubalik, Hagel, Borgstrum, Strome, Dach, and Kurashev. Also not terrible (until Strome and/or Kubalik are traded).

Defense of S. Jones, McCabe, Murphy, deHaan (until he is traded), Stillman, Gus, C. Jones, Galvas also is not terrible.

Fleury and Lankinen in goal (riding Fleury hard unless/until he is traded).

Let’s say Commesso turns into a number one goalie, Reichel turns into a Barzal like player, and enough of the young dmen turn out to be really good. Could Stan turn into the new “Uncle Dale”? lol

D-men on expiring contracts tend to be overvalued at the TDL. Look what David Savard brought at the TDL last season. Would I pay a 2nd for deHaan? Not a chance but never underestimates the stupidity of GMs.
- Elbows15

Agree. I wouldn't pay a 2nd for de Haan either but the TDL brings out a different set of logic amongst teams and GMs who want to beef up their rosters with experience.

Agree. I wouldn't pay a 2nd for de Haan either but the TDL brings out a different set of logic amongst teams and GMs who want to beef up their rosters with experience.
- Theo Fox

Just look at Tampa a couple years ago a 1st for Colman and 1st for goodrow so it could be feasible for dehann to get a 2nd. Not likely if hawkscould get a 3rd or 4th for dehann that's big win. Colorado Tampa NY Edmonton Florida all contending teams that could use deHaan. Theo in your opinion where does fleury end up if he wants to chase a cup?

Just look at Tampa a couple years ago a 1st for Colman and 1st for goodrow so it could be feasible for dehann to get a 2nd. Not likely if hawkscould get a 3rd or 4th for dehann that's big win. Colorado Tampa NY Edmonton Florida all contending teams that could use deHaan. Theo in your opinion where does fleury end up if he wants to chase a cup?
- Scott1977

If I had to wager today, I'd say Fleury is either headed back to the Penguins or to the Oilers.

I know Oilers GM Holland said he's not willing to give up a 1st rounder or trade for a rental but he wouldn't be the first or last GM to blow smoke.

Last season I believe former Canadiens GM Bergevin said he was going to stand pat and not make any TDL deals but ended up being one of the first (if not the first) team to make a trade then the Habs got to the Cup Finals.

There was a rumor a few days ago that the Avalanche are searching for another D-man due to Byram's health issue (concussion fallout).

If I had to wager today, I'd say Fleury is either headed back to the Penguins or to the Oilers.

I know Oilers GM Holland said he's not willing to give up a 1st rounder or trade for a rental but he wouldn't be the first or last GM to blow smoke.

Last season I believe former Canadiens GM Bergevin said he was going to stand pat and not make any TDL deals but ended up being one of the first (if not the first) team to make a trade then the Habs got to the Cup Finals.

There was a rumor a few days ago that the Avalanche are searching for another D-man due to Byram's health issue (concussion fallout).
- Theo Fox

De Haan for Makar.

If I had to wager today, I'd say Fleury is either headed back to the Penguins or to the Oilers.

I know Oilers GM Holland said he's not willing to give up a 1st rounder or trade for a rental but he wouldn't be the first or last GM to blow smoke.

Last season I believe former Canadiens GM Bergevin said he was going to stand pat and not make any TDL deals but ended up being one of the first (if not the first) team to make a trade then the Habs got to the Cup Finals.

There was a rumor a few days ago that the Avalanche are searching for another D-man due to Byram's health issue (concussion fallout).
- Theo Fox

I am wondering if overall the team defense or coaching is part andvparcel.to the orioles in Edmonton. Their defense is just not too good to support the offense? D Nurse is not good defensively? Although he may be better now. I question if Nurse is.playing in situations where he shouldn't. So adding both DeHahn and Fkeury us not goingbto help them.get much farther?.Sure, goaltending improves and a tas better quality wise on defense. But their defense still rests too much on players whom just are not too good.defensively?

Does this sound right?

Just look at Tampa a couple years ago a 1st for Colman and 1st for goodrow so it could be feasible for dehann to get a 2nd. Not likely if hawkscould get a 3rd or 4th for dehann that's big win. Colorado Tampa NY Edmonton Florida all contending teams that could use deHaan. Theo in your opinion where does fleury end up if he wants to chase a cup?
- Scott1977

Klingberg, Chycrun, Giordano on the trade block will bring back more than deHaan. Leddy, DeKeyser, M. Staal all on expiring deals with Detroit will bring back as much or more than DaHaan. DaHaan won’t get more than a third.

I also wouldn’t mind bringing DaHaan back next year on a $1.5 mil. Or $2 mil. One year contract. Rather him than Gus.

I am wondering if overall the team defense or coaching is part andvparcel.to the orioles in Edmonton. Their defense is just not too good to support the offense? D Nurse is not good defensively? Although he may be better now. I question if Nurse is.playing in situations where he shouldn't. So adding both DeHahn and Fkeury us not goingbto help them.get much farther?.Sure, goaltending improves and a tas better quality wise on defense. But their defense still rests too much on players whom just are not too good.defensively?

Does this sound right?
- jhawk59

No, just as the Hawks defense got better when Fleury and Lankinen started making saves. Smith is too old, Kostinen hasn’t stopped a puck since Chiarelli gave him that ridiculous contract. Tippet has had good defensive teams coaching before. Nurse starting next year is making $9.25 AAV a year, he is being paid as a 25 minute guy on defense. But then again I keep hearing how S. Jones sucks so there is that.

I like Borgstrom and Kurashev, all these forwards have had chances up and down the line up, the other players aren't the reason why those 2 players aren't getting on the score sheet, these kids have much to learn at the NHL level
- BetweenTheDots

/there is no earthly reason Khaira and Carpenter should be playing over 16 minutes in a game. None. They are taking ice time away from other players who have a chance to bring more to the table than either of those sccrubs.

Those bums are what they are. Kurashev and Borgstrom have some upside at least.

/there is no earthly reason Khaira and Carpenter should be playing over 16 minutes in a game. None. They are taking ice time away from other players who have a chance to bring more to the table than either of those sccrubs.

Those bums are what they are. Kurashev and Borgstrom have some upside at least.
- Elbows15

Agree 100%. I’m a big Kurashev fan and not sure what Borgstrum is yet, but he can skate, has size, and he battles, give him at least 15-16 minutes a game, let the chips fall where they may.

Klingberg, Chycrun, Giordano on the trade block will bring back more than deHaan. Leddy, DeKeyser, M. Staal all on expiring deals with Detroit will bring back as much or more than DaHaan. DaHaan won’t get more than a third.

I also wouldn’t mind bringing DaHaan back next year on a $1.5 mil. Or $2 mil. One year contract. Rather him than Gus.
- LAHawk

They aren't better than deHaan. They all suck in different ways. As does deHaan.

Klingberg and Chychrun are going to cost more. Chychrun, especially. Giordano will be buyer's remorse. He is not the player he was anymore.

If I had to wager today, I'd say Fleury is either headed back to the Penguins or to the Oilers.

I know Oilers GM Holland said he's not willing to give up a 1st rounder or trade for a rental but he wouldn't be the first or last GM to blow smoke.

Last season I believe former Canadiens GM Bergevin said he was going to stand pat and not make any TDL deals but ended up being one of the first (if not the first) team to make a trade then the Habs got to the Cup Finals.

There was a rumor a few days ago that the Avalanche are searching for another D-man due to Byram's health issue (concussion fallout).
- Theo Fox

If somehow the Colorado rumor is legit maltsiv bowers be prospects o be looking for in return from the avs.

I am wondering if overall the team defense or coaching is part andvparcel.to the orioles in Edmonton. Their defense is just not too good to support the offense? D Nurse is not good defensively? Although he may be better now. I question if Nurse is.playing in situations where he shouldn't. So adding both DeHahn and Fkeury us not goingbto help them.get much farther?.Sure, goaltending improves and a tas better quality wise on defense. But their defense still rests too much on players whom just are not too good.defensively?

Does this sound right?
- jhawk59

Yes it not very good fundamentally plus have barrie and ceci that both are not very good does not help. Trading away bear was a mistake. How long before McDavid and Leon ask for trades out of Edmonton.

Agree 100%. I’m a big club Kurashev fan and not sure what Borgstrum is yet, but he can skate, has size, and he battles, give him at least 15-16 minutes a game, let the chips fall where they may.
- Angotti

Just give em some consistent ice time and line mates for a few games. These guys are playing with different line mates every game or just about every game. Kurashev has earned his time to me. Borgstrom has shown enough flashes to get more ice time. IMO

Lafferty is another guy who treats the puck like the enemy. Its fine for 4th line do no harm minutes but playing him with anyone with any skill at all is forcing them to play shorthanded in the Ozone

Klingberg, Chycrun, Giordano on the trade block will bring back more than deHaan. Leddy, DeKeyser, M. Staal all on expiring deals with Detroit will bring back as much or more than DaHaan. DaHaan won’t get more than a third.

I also wouldn’t mind bringing DaHaan back next year on a $1.5 mil. Or $2 mil. One year contract. Rather him than Gus.
- LAHawk

Imo neither will be back.

/there is no earthly reason Khaira and Carpenter should be playing over 16 minutes in a game. None. They are taking ice time away from other players who have a chance to bring more to the table than either of those sccrubs.

Those bums are what they are. Kurashev and Borgstrom have some upside at least.
- Elbows15

Agree but that's what get with an AHL coach. King is just a stop gap until next season hopefully.

/there is no earthly reason Khaira and Carpenter should be playing over 16 minutes in a game. None. They are taking ice time away from other players who have a chance to bring more to the table than either of those sccrubs.

Those bums are what they are. Kurashev and Borgstrom have some upside at least.
- Elbows15

I think Khaira and Carp play way more PK minutes than Kurashev or Borgstrom. Plus you got 2 kids who haven't played 100 games in the NHL yet. I'd rather Kur and Borg play way more minutes but i don't think their bodies can handle it yet. To me at least they are getting over 10 minutes a game.

Klingberg, Chycrun, Giordano on the trade block will bring back more than deHaan. Leddy, DeKeyser, M. Staal all on expiring deals with Detroit will bring back as much or more than DaHaan. DaHaan won’t get more than a third.

I also wouldn’t mind bringing DaHaan back next year on a $1.5 mil. Or $2 mil. One year contract. Rather him than Gus.
- LAHawk

The Wings are surprisingly in the 9th spot in the East so not sure if they will be buyers or sellers. I would think Yzerman is shrewd enough to keep building his team for the long haul so more a seller than a buyer.

The Flames are also in the 9th spot in the West. My guess is they trade for Giordano and he will retire within the next year or two as a part of the Calgary organization.

If the Oilers want to make any noise in the playoffs, they're going to have to give to get so the smoke that Holland is blowing that he won't give up a 1st or go for a rental may be true.

Not saying that the Hawks are who Holland trades with but the Oilers aren't advancing far in the postseason if they stand pat and not give up coveted assets to upgrade.

Borgstrom has been one of those guys with the tools, but not yet showing the head for the game in his decisions on the ice. I think it might be the awareness and hockey sense that hold him back.

If somehow the Colorado rumor is legit maltsiv bowers be prospects o be looking for in return from the avs.
- Scott1977

I'd pass on Bowers. He and Jost (I will admit used to be high on) aren't going to be anything more than bottom 6 forwards which the Hawks have plenty of in the system.

Don't know enough about Maltsev.

If the Avs are desperate for veteran experience on D, put together a package that sends them de Haan + other assets like Beaudin or Regula for Justin Barron.

Barron is a RHD who has potential to play top 4 as a minute-muching shutdown defender.

Another option is Sean Behrens. Another D prospect who skates really well, very competitive, and commits to defense.

At least in the 2022 draft, Colorado doesn't have picks in the 1st, 2nd, or 4th rounds.

I'd pass on Bowers. He and Jost (I will admit used to be high on) aren't going to be anything more than bottom 6 forwards which the Hawks have plenty of in the system.

Don't know enough about Maltsev.

If the Avs are desperate for veteran experience on D, put together a package that sends them de Haan + other assets like Beaudin or Regula for Justin Barron.

Barron is a RHD who has potential to play top 4 as a minute-muching shutdown defender.

Another option is Sean Behrens. Another D prospect who skates really well, very competitive, and commits to defense.

At least in the 2022 draft, Colorado doesn't have picks in the 1st, 2nd, or 4th rounds.
- Theo Fox

They got him in Graves trade with jersey watch him preseason good size has deceptive speed and offensive upside other than that unknown.

https://guelphstorm.com/o...reat-for-nhl-draft-picks#

Only 15% of 2nd round picks ever become impact players. Only 12% of 3rd round picks play 200 games in NHL.

So acquiring later round picks is like accumulating lottery tickets (not to be confused with being in the NHL lottery). lol

Just give em some consistent ice time and line mates for a few games. These guys are playing with different line mates every game or just about every game. Kurashev has earned his time to me. Borgstrom has shown enough flashes to get more ice time. IMO

Lafferty is another guy who treats the puck like the enemy. Its fine for 4th line do no harm minutes but playing him with anyone with any skill at all is forcing them to play shorthanded in the Ozone
- Elbows15

Actually if I had to choose between Carpenter, Khaira, and Lafferty, although I’ve only seem a bit of Lafferty he seems to be the best of the three evils, at least he brings speed. The Hawks lack speed, it was good to see Reichel and Lafferty add speed to the team.