Mr Bobby Burger was a disaster for the franchise and Chiarelli was the centrepiece of that disaster

As for Chychrun the reason I was saying pick him is because once the Oilers fell to the fourth spot nobody thought Puljujarvi would still be available. Only when Columbus surprised everyone by picking Dubois did Chiarelli do an about face on the draft floor away from whatever deal he was about to do and pick JP instead.

No one expected that. I was saying trade down, get a player and take Chychrun. Others were saying do the same but go for Sergachev. Nobody thought Ethan Bear had solved their D issues and so they needed to draft D.
- Whatisavailable

Nicholson is still an issue. The fact he hasn't fire Holland (who in turn, hasn't fired Tippett) is a massive issue. Same issue with Tippett and McLellan, different names. Fun fact, I actually think Chiarelli was the less bad GM of the two.

If I recall correctly, the trade was along the lines of Draisaitl and the 1st for PK Subban. Obviously we look back in terror, but Subban had just come off a 51 point season

They had also just signed a 22-year-old Matt Benning, who had just come off a decent season at Northeastern.

Even Sekera looked to be finding his previous form he had for that one season in Buffalo. Until his injury in the 2017 playoffs, he registered 65 points in 161 games as an Oiler.

Here are the ages of the 2016-17 Dmen

Sekera (30) was playing the best hockey of his life

Oscar Klefbom (23) had shown a ton of promise

Adam Larsson (24) was (and still is) a good shutdown D man who could occasionally chip in

Darnell Nurse was (frank)ing 21, and we know how good he is now.

Matt Benning (22) had shown promise.

That is a decent young D core if we don't look at hindsight.

Not just that, but they actually needed forward prospects more than defensive prospects. Bear had a great season after he was drafted, Nurse was on the up and up, Jones was also pretty damn good.

Their best foward prospect at the time of the draft... like Anton Slepyshev maybe?

Draisaitl-McDavid-Maroon
Lucic-NugentHopkins-Eberle
Pouliot-Letestu-Kassian
Don't remember

Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse-Sekera
Russell-Benning

Talbot

That was an approximate lineup of the team in the next season. Both Klefbom and Larsson were young and under contract (Klefbom still is). Nurse was on an ELC. Sekera was the best defender they had that season.

What's more is that they actually drafted a lot of defenders the previous draft, like Ethan Bear, John Marino and Caleb Jones (both NHLers).

They didn't need to draft for positional need, so they went with the best player available according the majority of opinions, Jesse Puljujarvi.
- Oilers4Life14

This is already way into the disaster being fashioned by the moron in chief, Chiarelli.

That imbecile has already traded away Hall straight up for Larsson which stunned the entire hockey world with its epic stupidity and signed Lucic to some ridiculously stupid contract the details of which my brain mercifully protects me from remembering.

Chiarelli is an idiot and by the time he had fashioned the lineup you've posted that team was irreparably doomed. His parting gift to a no cap room Edmonton team was signing Koskinen at 4.5 x 4. He should have been taken out behind the arena and shot.

No! When they got McDavid they needed to draft and develop high end D and find a goalie and they had three years to do it. Chiarelli told the fools he could do it right away and they believed him. Like teams were going to be lining up to hand over top pairing D.

You can hear echoes of that stupidity when you listen to Sens broadcasters and fans talking about trading for a number one C and a number one D and all manner of ignorant nonsense.

I can only hope that the team finds a new owner before the clown they've got in the GM position gets to work some Chiarelli magic here in Ottawa and that ape in a suit behind the bench does too much damage to the kids he doesn't like.

And then of course there is always that hockey genius who owns the team. I've got to stop and go pray or something.

Honestly he's pretty much wrong about everything expect the Griffin Reinhart deal being awful.

Patience in a rebuild causes a losing culture, literally look at Edmonton.

However, when a player such as Chychrun becomes available, you trade a protected pick and a good prospect for him. Trading for him accelerates your rebuild while as giving you a cost controlled dman who is young.

Picks and prospects are a poopshoot, Chychrun is a top 4 dman who still hasn't reached his full potential
- Oilers4Life14

Precisely the kind of thinking that ensured that McDavid would never get a sniff at the Cup as long as he stays in Edmonton. What's amazing is that people double down on their support for that disastrous, losing strategy.

This is already way into the disaster being fashioned by the moron in chief, Chiarelli.

That imbecile has already traded away Hall straight up for Larsson and signed Lucic to some ridiculously stupid contract the details of which my brain mercifully protects me from remembering.

Chiarelli is an idiot and by the time he had fashioned the lineup you've posted that team was irreparably doomed. His parting gift to a no cap room Edmonton team was signing Koskinen at 4.5 x 4. He should have been taken out behind the arena and shot.

No! When they got McDavid they needed to draft and develop high end D and find a goalie and they had three years to do it. Chiarelli told the fools he could do it right away and they believed him. Like teams were going to be lining up to hand over top pairing D.

You can hear echoes of that stupidity when you listen to Sens broadcasters and fans talking about trading for a number one C and a number one D and all manner of ignorant nonsense.
- Whatisavailable

Hall for Larsson isn't nearly as bad as it was perceived at the time. Chiarelli should have gotten more for Hall, but expect for the Hart winning season, Hall really fell off (when healthy). Again, you're also missing the context of this trade - they had one RHD on the roster, Eric Gryba. While the value wasn't great, this wasn't by far the awful move that it was once perceived to be.

Again, to get Lucic in Edmonton, a contract like this needed to be signed (same with Hyman). And it's not like Lucic didn't deliver for the first season and a half. He had 50 points in 82 games in 2016-17 and played well up until Christmas 2017.

Chiarelli had over 4m left in cap space in 2017 and over 8m left in cap space in 2018. He did leave the team up against the cap, but that's because Draisaitl and McDavid's cap came in (20m between the two of them).

They also traded Eberle for Strome for this purpose, which in hindsight, wasn't that bad of a trade. 2016-17 Chiarelli wasn't actually that bad, but by the time he was going to miss the playoffs for the second straight season, he made moves to save his job.

Koskinen wasn't actually his signing. Bob Nicholson signed off on it lol. Aside from that, the two "bad" contracts Chiarelli gave out were Lucic (who had a great first season) and Russell. Maybe you can include Sekera in there, but he got (frank)ed over by injury. Beforehand, he'd been playing up to his contract.

Do you see the issue of "They have McDavid, they don't need to draft more forwards". Do you see the current predicament of the team? The late round defenseman picks actually hit. Bear, Jones, Marino all play in the NHL. Plus again, I gave you the age of the defenders of the team. They were a young core on good contracts, plus Bear and Jones broke out after they were drafted.

Other than McDavid and Draisaitl, name me a forward that the Oilers drafted before Chiarelli became the GM?

Easy, Anton Slepyshev (in the KHL) was drafted in 2013. Jujhar Khaira was drafted in 2012. Those are literally the only fowards the Oilers drafted from 2012-Chiarelli. Puljujarvi was a needed pickup.

They also traded for Cam Talbot, who basically carried them to a playoff position.

Hall for Larsson isn't nearly as bad as it was perceived at the time. Chiarelli should have gotten more for Hall, but expect for the Hart winning season, Hall really fell off (when healthy). Again, you're also missing the context of this trade - they had one RHD on the roster, Eric Gryba. While the value wasn't great, this wasn't by far the awful move that it was once perceived to be.

Again, to get Lucic in Edmonton, a contract like this needed to be signed (same with Hyman). And it's not like Lucic didn't deliver for the first season and a half. He had 50 points in 82 games in 2016-17 and played well up until Christmas 2017.

Chiarelli had over 4m left in cap space in 2017 and over 8m left in cap space in 2018. He did leave the team up against the cap, but that's because Draisaitl and McDavid's cap came in (20m between the two of them).

They also traded Eberle for Strome for this purpose, which in hindsight, wasn't that bad of a trade. 2016-17 Chiarelli wasn't actually that bad, but by the time he was going to miss the playoffs for the second straight season, he made moves to save his job.

Koskinen wasn't actually his signing. Bob Nicholson signed off on it lol. Aside from that, the two "bad" contracts Chiarelli gave out were Lucic (who had a great first season) and Russell. Maybe you can include Sekera in there, but he got (frank)ed over by injury. Beforehand, he'd been playing up to his contract.

Do you see the issue of "They have McDavid, they don't need to draft more forwards". Do you see the current predicament of the team? The late round defenseman picks actually hit. Bear, Jones, Marino all play in the NHL. Plus again, I gave you the age of the defenders of the team. They were a young core on good contracts, plus Bear and Jones broke out after they were drafted.

Other than McDavid and Draisaitl, name me a forward that the Oilers drafted before Chiarelli became the GM?

Easy, Anton Slepyshev (in the KHL) was drafted in 2013. Jujhar Khaira was drafted in 2012. Those are literally the only fowards the Oilers drafted from 2012-Chiarelli. Puljujarvi was a needed pickup.

They also traded for Cam Talbot, who basically carried them to a playoff position.
- Oilers4Life14

I just read that you couldn't think of any forwards that Edmonton drafted before Chiarelli other than McDavid and Draisait and I realized I was wasting my time. You have a great day! And if you're like a really young kid I'm sorry and don't take it the wrong way.

I just read that you couldn't think of any forwards that Edmonton drafted before Chiarelli other than McDavid and Draisait and I realized I was wasting my time. You have a great day! And if you're like a really young kid I'm sorry and don't take it the wrong way.
- Whatisavailable

Forwards that even played an NHL game that were drafted between 2012-2015?

Yakupov, obviously.
Anton Slepyshev
Jujhar Khaira

Expanding the scope to 2010, RNH, Tobias Reider (who'd been traded), Taylor Hall, Tyler Pitlick.


Hell, the THW ranked the 2016-17 team as the 19th team in terms of prospects. Here are their said top prospects:

Laurent Brossoit, Jujhar Khaira, Drake Caggiula, Griffin Reinhart, Ethan Bear, Caleb Jones, Jesse Puljujarvi, Jordan Oesterle, Tyler Benson, Nick Ellis.

Benson and Puljujarvi were drafted in 2016 (again, we're talking about them choosing Puljujarvi over trading down for Chychrun.)

That leaves Drake Caggiula and Jujhar Khaira as their "top" prospects coming into the 2016-17 season.

They came into that draft knowing that both Jones and Bear were developing to be better probable NHL players, plus again, they already had a young D core.

Forwards? You had McDavid and Draisaitl, but after that, yeesh.

And by the way... this shouldn't even be an argument. Puljujarvi is the better player

To answer the original question, Tippett gets fired first. After their next loss. Holland gets fired dependant on what he does at trade deadline and who he signs in the off season. So not til January next year.

Nicholson is still an issue. The fact he hasn't fire Holland (who in turn, hasn't fired Tippett) is a massive issue. Same issue with Tippett and McLellan, different names. Fun fact, I actually think Chiarelli was the less bad GM of the two.

If I recall correctly, the trade was along the lines of Draisaitl and the 1st for PK Subban. Obviously we look back in terror, but Subban had just come off a 51 point season

They had also just signed a 22-year-old Matt Benning, who had just come off a decent season at Northeastern.

Even Sekera looked to be finding his previous form he had for that one season in Buffalo. Until his injury in the 2017 playoffs, he registered 65 points in 161 games as an Oiler.

Here are the ages of the 2016-17 Dmen

Sekera (30) was playing the best hockey of his life

Oscar Klefbom (23) had shown a ton of promise

Adam Larsson (24) was (and still is) a good shutdown D man who could occasionally chip in

Darnell Nurse was (frank)ing 21, and we know how good he is now.

Matt Benning (22) had shown promise.

That is a decent young D core if we don't look at hindsight.

Not just that, but they actually needed forward prospects more than defensive prospects. Bear had a great season after he was drafted, Nurse was on the up and up, Jones was also pretty damn good.

Their best foward prospect at the time of the draft... like Anton Slepyshev maybe?
- Oilers4Life14

You know your team better than most Oilers media members! Nice work my friend!

To answer the original question, Tippett gets fired first. After their next loss. Holland gets fired dependant on what he does at trade deadline and who he signs in the off season. So not til January next year.
- GrimmdaGoalie

They gotta clean house with that coaching staff now.....front office before the draft!

It’s time for the Gretzky trade;

Send McDavid to Arizona for Chychrun and futures. AZ needs to start the build even though McDavid won’t want to be part of it.
- Tee56

Futures need to include Keller and much more!

Thanks to Whatisavailable.., I realize that I have been a bit impatient too, lately. I need to be more patient with Stevie Y's rebuild, as it takes time for him to create yet another masterpiece. I have been saying he should go after Chychrun, but giving up 3 assets for a good player is not something that should be done in the middle of a rebuild. But I wanna see that hole in the LD spot plugged now! No fear Edvinsson is on the way!
Thanks for pointing out the Oil's impatience as a recipe for disaster! I see Buffalo is digging out from the same train wreck that impatience can cause!
- HenryHockey

What would you give up for Brannstrom if you were Yzerman?!

You know your team better than most Oilers media members! Nice work my friend!
- Kevin Francis

That's when I was REALLY into them. After watching them fail in 2017-18 and 2018-19, I just kinda stop caring. I felt a little spark the season after, but then the Chicago series happened.

I'll more than likely be writing for both WingsNation and JetsNation in the near future, so I'm hoping I get that spark back for hockey.

That's when I was REALLY into them. After watching them fail in 2017-18 and 2018-19, I just kinda stop caring. I felt a little spark the season after, but then the Chicago series happened.

I'll more than likely be writing for both WingsNation and JetsNation in the near future, so I'm hoping I get that spark back for hockey.
- Oilers4Life14

Well whatever you do, you have a future in this business my friend. Feel free to IM here on Hockeybuzz or on Twitter anytime!

Well whatever you do, you have a future in this business my friend. Feel free to IM here on Hockeybuzz or on Twitter anytime!
- Kevin Francis

Sent you a follow!

Stay safe out there, it's gonna be utter hell when we wake up.

What would you give up for Brannstrom if you were Yzerman?!
- Kevin Francis

Is Yzerman purportedly interested? I don't think the Wings have anything Ottawa wants/needs that they'd be willing to part with. Maybe one for one for Sebrango? Seems like a downgrade. The only other attractive piece IMO would be Vrana, but I don't think Brannstrom alone would do that.

Brannstrom is an undersized Dman. Does he have the elite skating, puck handling or ice vision to compensate for his lack of jam? Probably not.

Should he be slotted into the Ottawa future ahead of Sanderson, Thompson or JBD?

Way too much ink is being given to a player who has been unable to demonstrate he deserves top 4 consideration.

The idea that the team has somehow fallen down on his development is just plain silly. At some point, every player needs to step up and do something that validates the opportunity they are given.

Surprisingly little discussion here about the actual game... especially given that it was their 7th win of the past 11GP, and their biggest 3rd period comeback in quite some time. They really deserved much better than to have a pair of fluke goals scored on them in the 2nd period after doing a great job of shutting down McDavid, and it was great to see them come out just as strong in the 3rd period. Nice to see Murray rise to the occasion and make some good saves late to make sure they got the 2pts, and end whatever freakish curse they had against the Oilers last year.

Formenton just continues to impress, with his 1G/1A performance paving the way for the full comeback. The 11Pts/11GP he's scored since the Carolina game is 3rd best on the team behind only Batherson and Tkachuk, and really exposes just how absurd the 3Pts/17GP was that he had earlier in the season when he was being under-deployed. He's using his speed effectively, disrupting plays all over the ice, and really starting to make defenders back-off to respect his counter-attack speed.

The other 2 players that have really stepped up offensively over this 11-game stretch have been Chabot (10Pts/11GP), and Stutzle (8Pts/10GP)... both of whom have effectively doubled their scoring pace from earlier in the season. Which really only begs the question of why having Stutzle at C wasn't the 'A' Plan going into training camp. They're just a completely different team with they let their high-quality secondary talent play the roles they were drafted for, and meant to play.

Brannstrom is an undersized Dman. Does he have the elite skating, puck handling or ice vision to compensate for his lack of jam? Probably not.

Should he be slotted into the Ottawa future ahead of Sanderson, Thompson or JBD?

Way too much ink is being given to a player who has been unable to demonstrate he deserves top 4 consideration.

The idea that the team has somehow fallen down on his development is just plain silly. At some point, every player needs to step up and do something that validates the opportunity they are given.
- spatso

100 percent agree.

I think the only consideration with Brannstrom has been to keep him hidden as much as possible in order to save Dorion the embarrassment he so richly deserves.

Brannstrom is small and doesn't have the skating skills or hockey IQ to compensate. He's never going to be an NHL player and Ottawa should try to get whatever they can for him while there still might be a GM around that doesn't know any better.

Is Yzerman purportedly interested? I don't think the Wings have anything Ottawa wants/needs that they'd be willing to part with. Maybe one for one for Sebrango? Seems like a downgrade. The only other attractive piece IMO would be Vrana, but I don't think Brannstrom alone would do that.
- Bartacus

Zadina

Surprisingly little discussion here about the actual game... especially given that it was their 7th win of the past 11GP, and their biggest 3rd period comeback in quite some time. They really deserved much better than to have a pair of fluke goals scored on them in the 2nd period after doing a great job of shutting down McDavid, and it was great to see them come out just as strong in the 3rd period. Nice to see Murray rise to the occasion and make some good saves late to make sure they got the 2pts, and end whatever freakish curse they had against the Oilers last year.

Formenton just continues to impress, with his 1G/1A performance paving the way for the full comeback. The 11Pts/11GP he's scored since the Carolina game is 3rd best on the team behind only Batherson and Tkachuk, and really exposes just how absurd the 3Pts/17GP was that he had earlier in the season when he was being under-deployed. He's using his speed effectively, disrupting plays all over the ice, and really starting to make defenders back-off to respect his counter-attack speed.

The other 2 players that have really stepped up offensively over this 11-game stretch have been Chabot (10Pts/11GP), and Stutzle (8Pts/10GP)... both of whom have effectively doubled their scoring pace from earlier in the season. Which really only begs the question of why having Stutzle at C wasn't the 'A' Plan going into training camp. They're just a completely different team with they let their high-quality secondary talent play the roles they were drafted for, and meant to play.
- khawk

Love Formenton. He is my favourite hothead. He has great speed and improving skills. I believe he is a 1st or 2nd line player that will get more and more ice time. He plays a really strong defensive game and kills penalties.

I think DJ loves him and is really hard on when he loses his head. He will get a lot better.

Zadina
- Crosside

Great point.

Syracuse up 1-0 on BSens end of 1st P. Sogaard in goal. BSens outshot 18-5 in the 1st period, ouch! Former Sen Freddie Claesson is in the lineup for Syracuse.

Belleville/Syracuse tied at 1 end of 2nd P. Sogaard in goal. Agozzino scored to tie it up after a horrible 1st P. BSens outshot Syracuse 8-1 in the 2nd P.

Love Formenton. He is my favourite hothead. He has great speed and improving skills. I believe he is a 1st or 2nd line player that will get more and more ice time. He plays a really strong defensive game and kills penalties.

I think DJ loves him and is really hard on when he loses his head. He will get a lot better.
- spatso

The only reason Formenton got 2nd line minutes was due to injuries, otherwise DJ would have kept him on the 3rd line and kept him from developing! Stutzle got center time due to injury, all of these revelations are because of injury not because DJ thought he should give these players opportunities! Same goes for Thomson and JBD, we never would have saw them this year if not for injury. This coach is an utter idiot!