dumb passing all around for buffalo

What hurt your soon to be ex employer who made you a millionaire to get what you want.
- Buff36

he owes them nothing. Just like I owe my employer nothing. just like you owe your nothing.

The only reason he played for buffalo was because of a lottery.

Buffalo hurt themselves by butchering the situation from start to finish.

It was his medical information to share, nothing anyone could do about that
- Stripes77

Are you really telling me that there is nothing in a sports contract about non-disclosure?

RJ....
I hope he's not driving home.

Maybe you were, i think this team has butchered everything it has done the last 2 + years.

Here is now where you tell me how you were right and i am wrong, and then tell me how i am supposed to feel.

I typed out your response so you dont have to.
- ImThatGuy

Well sir, it’s YOU that’s engaging me in convo

What would u have liked to happen with the Eichel & Reinhart situations??

Are you really telling me that there is nothing in a sports contract about non-disclosure?
- BeadyEyedDouche

When it comes to medical history and preventing a player for disclosing their own medical history? yes, there is no way the NHL or the NHLPA would allow said language in a contract

What would u have liked to happen with the Eichel & Reinhart situations??
- jdfitz77

Old person asleep at the wheel plows into tandem bike. News at 11.

he owes them nothing. Just like I owe my employer nothing. just like you owe your nothing.

The only reason he played for buffalo was because of a lottery.

Buffalo hurt themselves by butchering the situation from start to finish.
- ImThatGuy

He got drafted into a game, in no way is it like your employment or mine. These guys are signed to Legal Contracts for millions, with a supposed obligation to meet that contract. Yes as a franchise we messed up, but just because he didn't like it, and things didn't go right he forced his way out.

Watching Jeff Blashill take the gum out of his mouth with his fingers to talk and then put it back in is disgusting

Well sir, it’s YOU that’s engaging me in convo

What would u have liked to happen with the Eichel & Reinhart situations??
- jdfitz77

a) not sign Reinhart to a 1 year deal. Sign him to a long term contract so you are not forced to move him for pennies on teh dollar.

b) let Eichel get the surgery he wanted, before teh season started, so he could be back by Nov-Dec, play three months in buffalo so again you are not trading him for pennies on the dollar.


I know, WILD AND CRAZY STUFF OVER HERE

In other news, Dell has been great again and Samuelsson quietly prevented a tap in.

In other news, Dell has been great again and Samuelsson quietly prevented a tap in.
- Lunaion

That was a really nice tie-up

In other news, Dell has been great again and Samuelsson quietly prevented a tap in.
- Lunaion

Dell has been sharp

a) not sign Reinhart to a 1 year deal. Sign him to a long term contract so you are not forced to move him for pennies on teh dollar.

b) let Eichel get the surgery he wanted, before teh season started, so he could be back by Nov-Dec, play three months in buffalo so again you are not trading him for pennies on the dollar.


I know, WILD AND CRAZY STUFF OVER HERE
- ImThatGuy

Well to do what u wanted with Reinhart,
you’d have had to turn back time at that point

And I’d have let Eichel get the surgery he wanted too,
but he had asked out before that anyways

It all steamrolled into them getting traded
And i don’t thing the returns were “pennies on the dollar”
That’s an exaggeration
I’d have like more for them
But we got “ok” returns imo

b) let Eichel get the surgery he wanted, before teh season started, so he could be back by Nov-Dec, play three months in buffalo so again you are not trading him for pennies on the dollar.


I know, WILD AND CRAZY STUFF OVER HERE
- ImThatGuy

So, you tell the medical staff you pay specifically to advise you on Eichle-type situations that their advice is not needed, nor is the normal arbitration process needed because an 80-point, $10 million center has decided his way or the highway?

That's one way of doing things I suppose.

That was a really nice tie-up
- Hank Balling

Krebs and Samuelsson both play well above their experience. Really don't see rookie mistakes from them.

When it comes to medical history and preventing a player for disclosing their own medical history? yes, there is no way the NHL or the NHLPA would allow said language in a contract
- Stripes77

https://scholarship.law.m...le=1634&context=sportslaw

I'm going to quote this here:

The privacy of medical information is important for practical reasons and
to protect the dignity and autonomy of the individual. Among the most compelling practical reasons to guard privacy about health issues is the patient’s
pocketbook, particularly in cases where employment opportunities might be adversely affected by health concerns. This is, of course, an issue of enormous
importance to professional athletes.

Essentially, as a private citizen, my medical information is private. It cannot be disclosed publicly, legally, without my consent.

The operating principle suggested by HHS is that a player may be compelled to authorize the release of medical information to his team without violating federal health care privacy regulations under HIPAA. Therefore, players
can be compelled to consent to disclosure of information about their medical
condition without violating privacy principles under federal law. The same is
generally true under state law.

To me, I gather that in signing a contract, a player forgoes his right to medical privacy, which is protected under federal law.

This is an actual ethical issue. Neither the team nor Eichel himself should have been allowed to disclose his medical information publicly. He hurt his own value, he hurt his trade value, he hurt the team and he alienated dozens, if not hundreds and possibly thousands of people when he went public with his medical information.

I don't see any argument actually supporting what he did in any way shape or form. There are federal laws surrounding this issue, and in sports it all gets extremely complicated.

Plain and simple, there was no possible benefit to disclosing an injury, and there is no possible benefit to disclosing an injury, unless the sole reason is to force your way out of your current employment situation, which is actually grounds for a potential lawsuit, in my honest opinion.

He disclosed medical information as a tactic to alienate the organization and facilitate a trade. Absolutely, if I were the Pegulas, I would have pursued legal action against the player. Everyone on the planet knows he disclosed his medical information to drive a wedge between him and the organization. He 100% sullied the team's public image, and a defamation lawsuit alone could have been filed.

- Michael Pachla

So, you tell the medical staff you pay specifically to advise you on Eichle-type situations that their advice is not needed, nor is the normal arbitration process needed because an 80-point, $10 million center has decided his way or the highway?

That's one way of doing things I suppose.
- lacaprup

something something, his body his choice, i suppose

https://scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1634&context=sportslaw

I'm going to quote this here:



Essentially, as a private citizen, my medical information is private. It cannot be disclosed publicly, legally, without my consent.



To me, I gather that in signing a contract, a player forgoes his right to medical privacy, which is protected under federal law.

This is an actual ethical issue. Neither the team nor Eichel himself should have been allowed to disclose his medical information publicly. He hurt his own value, he hurt his trade value, he hurt the team and he alienated dozens, if not hundreds and possibly thousands of people when he went public with his medical information.

I don't see any argument actually supporting what he did in any way shape or form. There are federal laws surrounding this issue, and in sports it all gets extremely complicated.

Plain and simple, there was no possible benefit to disclosing an injury, and there is no possible benefit to disclosing an injury, unless the sole reason is to force your way out of your current employment situation, which is actually grounds for a potential lawsuit, in my honest opinion.

He disclosed medical information as a tactic to alienate the organization and facilitate a trade. Absolutely, if I were the Pegulas, I would have pursued legal action against the player. Everyone on the planet knows he disclosed his medical information to drive a wedge between him and the organization. He 100% sullied the team's public image, and a defamation lawsuit alone could have been filed.
- BeadyEyedDouche

the fact that we as fans even know what sports players injuries are, is a huge breach of information, if you ask me.

you can make a case that the worst thing to happen in the history of the sabres franchise, is terry pegula buying the team

espn+ is 2 minutes behind the live action
- Michael Pachla

So is the Red Wings' defence.

So is the Red Wings' defence.
- Atomic Wedgie

so is RJ at times

https://scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1634&context=sportslaw

I'm going to quote this here:



Essentially, as a private citizen, my medical information is private. It cannot be disclosed publicly, legally, without my consent.



To me, I gather that in signing a contract, a player forgoes his right to medical privacy, which is protected under federal law.

This is an actual ethical issue. Neither the team nor Eichel himself should have been allowed to disclose his medical information publicly. He hurt his own value, he hurt his trade value, he hurt the team and he alienated dozens, if not hundreds and possibly thousands of people when he went public with his medical information.

I don't see any argument actually supporting what he did in any way shape or form. There are federal laws surrounding this issue, and in sports it all gets extremely complicated.

Plain and simple, there was no possible benefit to disclosing an injury, and there is no possible benefit to disclosing an injury, unless the sole reason is to force your way out of your current employment situation, which is actually grounds for a potential lawsuit, in my honest opinion.

He disclosed medical information as a tactic to alienate the organization and facilitate a trade. Absolutely, if I were the Pegulas, I would have pursued legal action against the player. Everyone on the planet knows he disclosed his medical information to drive a wedge between him and the organization. He 100% sullied the team's public image, and a defamation lawsuit alone could have been filed.
- BeadyEyedDouche

First bold: 99% of the people don't understand what that means, medical privacy is only when it comes to a doctor releasing medical information about a patient. HIPPA only pertains to doctors and insurance companies.

Who Is Not Required to Follow These Laws
Many organizations that have health information about you do not have to follow these laws.

Examples of organizations that do not have to follow the Privacy and Security Rules include:

Life insurers
Employers
Workers compensation carriers
Most schools and school districts
Many state agencies like child protective service agencies
Most law enforcement agencies
Many municipal offices

There would have to be grounds for such a thing ie breach of contract for that to be the case.

My best friends wife is a contract lawyer for Universal Studios, where she deals with agents of actors on a daily basis. Their contracts are actually very similar in language to athlete contracts (she used to work for an agency, and also worked for EA Sports at one point)

I have asked her things like this before, while signing a contract an athlete does give up certain rights, however no agent, lawyer, or Union, would ever allow a player or actor to sign off on something where they are not allowed to release their own medical history, salary, or length of said contract.

As far as the sullied the teams public image, good luck trying to prove that the Sabres public image was any good to begin with.

something something, his body his choice, i suppose
- ImThatGuy

I'm not talking about Jack's actions I'm talking about the Buffalo sabers actions which seem to be in question. they pay a medical staff. Either you take their advice or you don't.

Jack was never close to good enough to avoid the advice of your own doctors. How many games do we think he will actually play for Vegas before he suffers his 1st injury? I put the over under at 10.