There is a greater chance of The Rangers wining the cup this year than the chance that any of these none NHL prospects reach JTs level of play ever.

It's amazing to me that fancy stat people say faceoffs don't matter.

Think about how many times you see goals scored off face off wins, a lot more than off face off loses
- ELew11

I think it is because the goals off FO wins stand out in your mind. But, statistically there are WAY more faceoffs where nothing happens as a direct result. So, to people who only focus on the numbers, they are a secondary concern.
I'm somewhere in the middle. To me the importance lies in winning the faceoffs that can make a difference. The ones in your zone late in the game, for example. I don't care about possession from the opening FO of the game, per say.

I think it is because the goals off FO wins stand out in your mind. But, statistically there are WAY more faceoffs where nothing happens as a direct result. So, to people who only focus on the numbers, they are a secondary concern.
I'm somewhere in the middle. To me the importance lies in winning the faceoffs that can make a difference. The ones in your zone late in the game, for example. I don't care about possession from the opening FO of the game, per say.
- Tonybere

I’m in the middle, too. They matter in critical moments, but not every face off is a game breaker.

I do think it’s a net negative when they’re lopsided as consistently as they have been for us. Shoring this up even a little would be beneficial.

It’s more about end of games and starting the power play/penalty kills for me. Those 3 moments in the game is when you need to win the faceoff. Not so much the 60 minutes part as it’s the crucial moments of any given game where it’s important imo
- Slimtj100

I'd agree with that, which to me means that you need one or maybe two guys that are solid on draws, it doesn't have to be a teamwide thing to be successful. It also matters less for a team like say Florida who plays less one-goal games than some other teams

I'd agree with that, which to me means that you need one or maybe two guys that are solid on draws, it doesn't have to be a teamwide thing to be successful. It also matters less for a team like say Florida who plays less one-goal games than some other teams
- SkjeiStadium

The thing is we don’t have a player who can win them consistently lol hence we beat this dead horse also. Losing a faceoff in playoff ot can cost you a game.

*See Marc Staals OT goal vs the caps as an example (directly off a faceoff win). Just one example, but the point is that’s when you need to win the faceoffs, because once you lose it it can become mayhem in your own zone for a good 30 seconds

Speaking off faceoffs, I wonder if the Bs realize they’re just not good enough this season and see if Bergeron would be open to being a rental. Then agree to re-sign next year. They lost 7-1 last night with basically their whole team in tact.

Anyway, wouldn’t that be something getting Patrice!

Speaking off faceoffs, I wonder if the Bs realize they’re just not good enough this season and see if Bergeron would be open to being a rental. Then agree to re-sign next year. They lost 7-1 last night with basically their whole team in tact.

Anyway, wouldn’t that be something getting Patrice!
- Slimtj100

they've won 8 of their last 10

they've won 8 of their last 10
- picklerick

Smoke and mirrors. Please give me them in the first rd.

They beat Tampa and the caps, no one else really great. Rask gave up 5 in the first period last night haha. One line team. Isles gonna catch them

Brukie,
What is it that you want from management?
You argued that signing Panarin was a waste because we weren't a playoff team. Then doubled down on that saying that we weren't ready to make a run on the playoffs. Right now we are the #4 team in the league, with legitimate candidates for the Hart, the Norris and the Vesina. We have the toughness. We have top tier special teams. We have added playoff experience.
Exactly what is it that you think we are lacking to become a contender? Every other team you listed as a favourite has the elements we now have.
Are we guaranteed anything? Of course not. But, every single year multiple top contenders don't win the Cup. Most years, the "best" team in the league doesn't win the Cup. So, please tell me, if we shouldn't be trying to get there this season, exactly when should we? And how????
- Tonybere

What I want from management is a little patience. Years past we made deadline moves and it didnt get us a Cup. With the young players in KK, Laf, Chyitil, Miller, Nils still developing we still can contend to win for at least another 4-5 years. Why blow more young assets and prospects when we dont know what this team can do in the playoffs?? The bottom six arent producing and defensively they are a mess from the number 3 defense man to number 6.

If not for Igor will we still have this record?? The difference with the teams I mention and us is that they have been there the last few years we havent. Goodrow is the only significant player we added with Playoff experience. Reaves spent most of the playoff run on the bench or in the stands.

If there was one need, just a player we needed to add, of course go for it. Adding JT Miller fills the need for a 3rd line center but doesnt help with the defensive issues.

If anyone wants to put their money where their mouth is, id take that bet. That the Rangers wont win the Cup this year.

What I want from management is a little patience. Years past we made deadline moves and it didnt get us a Cup. With the young players in KK, Laf, Chyitil, Miller, Nils still developing we still can contend to win for at least another 4-5 years. Why blow more young assets and prospects when we dont know what this team can do in the playoffs?? The bottom six arent producing and defensively they are a mess from the number 3 defense man to number 6.

If not for Igor will we still have this record?? The difference with the teams I mention and us is that they have been there the last few years we havent. Goodrow is the only significant player we added with Playoff experience. Reaves spent most of the playoff run on the bench or in the stands.

If there was one need, just a player we needed to add, of course go for it. Adding JT Miller fills the need for a 3rd line center but doesnt help with the defensive issues.

If anyone wants to put their money where their mouth is, id take that bet. That the Rangers wont win the Cup this year.
- Brukie

Your eyes are stupid too haha Trouba has been amazing! and you can bet now dummy! Go to fanduel

I’m throwing $50 in the garbage apparently, I bet that the rangers - titans and warriors would win their respective titles. Oh well 🤷🏻‍♂️

-Gauthier and a second for Chairot

-1st and maybe Hajek or something like that for Joe Pa

That would add all the necessary parts and not kill us at all
- Slimtj100

Well, MTL thinks they can get a 1st for Chiarot. Personally, if I was dealing with them Id try get Lehkonen to upgrade 3RW.

Pavelski will likely need a better prospect like Pajuniemi. Possibility of a retention might be needed.

For LD, as Ive said before, Calvin De Haan. We can send Hunter Skinner and a 4th round pick.

Your eyes are stupid too haha Trouba has been amazing! and you can bet now dummy! Go to fanduel
- Slimtj100

Theres nothing more dangerous that someone who thinks theyre smart or knowledgable.

Well, MTL thinks they can get a 1st for Chiarot. Personally, if I was dealing with them Id try get Lehkonen to upgrade 3RW.

Pavelski will likely need a better prospect like Pajuniemi. Possibility of a retention might be needed.

For LD, as Ive said before, Calvin De Haan. We can send Hunter Skinner and a 4th round pick.
- aecliptic

Well Mtl can suck it haha

What I want from management is a little patience. Years past we made deadline moves and it didnt get us a Cup. With the young players in KK, Laf, Chyitil, Miller, Nils still developing we still can contend to win for at least another 4-5 years. Why blow more young assets and prospects when we dont know what this team can do in the playoffs?? The bottom six arent producing and defensively they are a mess from the number 3 defense man to number 6.

If not for Igor will we still have this record?? The difference with the teams I mention and us is that they have been there the last few years we havent. Goodrow is the only significant player we added with Playoff experience. Reaves spent most of the playoff run on the bench or in the stands.

If there was one need, just a player we needed to add, of course go for it. Adding JT Miller fills the need for a 3rd line center but doesnt help with the defensive issues.

If anyone wants to put their money where their mouth is, id take that bet. That the Rangers wont win the Cup this year.
- Brukie

Like I mentioned further up I agree with you in some ways here. Couple of differing points:

1. If the picks and assets aren't excessive and are used to help get this team more playoff experience, in other words if you could trade a 1st and a prospect like Jones for Player A (not using names because I don't want to get in debates about which players get us over the hump) and he would take us from getting eliminated in the first round to getting eliminated in the 2nd round or conference final, would you do that? You're losing some prospects, but not ones that are our most important and in doing so this team gains a lot of playoff experience that you and I both agree they need.

2. I hate when people say "without Igor they wouldn't be this good." People did it with Hank all the time. The fact is we have Igor so why are we discussing what this team looks like without him? If he get's hurt that's a different story but good teams don't shy away from making moves at the deadline just because their best player might get hurt.

3. As for your bet, are you saying you would take the counter-side of a Vegas-line bet against the Rangers winning the cup which is currently at 25-to-1? In other words if they don't win the cup you win $100 and if they do you pay $2,500? I don't want to bet you either way but if you are just saying you would bet $100 vs $100 for them to not win the cup that's a meaningless statement. I'd take that bet for any team in the NHL.

Well, MTL thinks they can get a 1st for Chiarot. Personally, if I was dealing with them Id try get Lehkonen to upgrade 3RW.

Pavelski will likely need a better prospect like Pajuniemi. Possibility of a retention might be needed.

For LD, as Ive said before, Calvin De Haan. We can send Hunter Skinner and a 4th round pick.
- aecliptic

I can get down with dehaan over Chairot

Your eyes are stupid too haha Trouba has been amazing! and you can bet now dummy! Go to fanduel

I’m throwing $50 in the garbage apparently, I bet that the rangers - titans and warriors would win their respective titles. Oh well 🤷🏻‍♂️
- Slimtj100

Something tells me you guys are best buds in real life that like to mess with each other and sling crap on here.

Like I mentioned further up I agree with you in some ways here. Couple of differing points:

1. If the picks and assets aren't excessive and are used to help get this team more playoff experience, in other words if you could trade a 1st and a prospect like Jones for Player A (not using names because I don't want to get in debates about which players get us over the hump) and he would take us from getting eliminated in the first round to getting eliminated in the 2nd round or conference final, would you do that? You're losing some prospects, but not ones that are our most important and in doing so this team gains a lot of playoff experience that you and I both agree they need.

2. I hate when people say "without Igor they wouldn't be this good." People did it with Hank all the time. The fact is we have Igor so why are we discussing what this team looks like without him? If he get's hurt that's a different story but good teams don't shy away from making moves at the deadline just because their best player might get hurt.

3. As for your bet, are you saying you would take the counter-side of a Vegas-line bet against the Rangers winning the cup which is currently at 25-to-1? In other words if they don't win the cup you win $100 and if they do you pay $2,500? I don't want to bet you either way but if you are just saying you would bet $100 vs $100 for them to not win the cup that's a meaningless statement. I'd take that bet for any team in the NHL.
- SkjeiStadium

And they rarely miss a beat when Georgy is in there

I can get down with dehaan over Chairot
- Slimtj100

I'd prefer that too, just don't see either happening.

Something tells me you guys are best buds in real life that like to mess with each other and sling crap on here.
- Fenrir

I mean he called everyone an ass clown, for no apparent reason, so he opened his own can of whoopass

Theres nothing more dangerous that someone who thinks theyre smart or knowledgable.
- aecliptic

Please post again how the Rangers need Pavs, I didnt understand it the first 100 times.

Like I mentioned further up I agree with you in some ways here. Couple of differing points:

1. If the picks and assets aren't excessive and are used to help get this team more playoff experience, in other words if you could trade a 1st and a prospect like Jones for Player A (not using names because I don't want to get in debates about which players get us over the hump) and he would take us from getting eliminated in the first round to getting eliminated in the 2nd round or conference final, would you do that? You're losing some prospects, but not ones that are our most important and in doing so this team gains a lot of playoff experience that you and I both agree they need.

2. I hate when people say "without Igor they wouldn't be this good." People did it with Hank all the time. The fact is we have Igor so why are we discussing what this team looks like without him? If he get's hurt that's a different story but good teams don't shy away from making moves at the deadline just because their best player might get hurt.

3. As for your bet, are you saying you would take the counter-side of a Vegas-line bet against the Rangers winning the cup which is currently at 25-to-1? In other words if they don't win the cup you win $100 and if they do you pay $2,500? I don't want to bet you either way but if you are just saying you would bet $100 vs $100 for them to not win the cup that's a meaningless statement. I'd take that bet for any team in the NHL.
- SkjeiStadium

No Im not a bookie, just want to see how sure anyone is about the Ranges winning the Cup. If you are so sure put up.

What I want from management is a little patience. Years past we made deadline moves and it didnt get us a Cup. With the young players in KK, Laf, Chyitil, Miller, Nils still developing we still can contend to win for at least another 4-5 years. Why blow more young assets and prospects when we dont know what this team can do in the playoffs?? The bottom six arent producing and defensively they are a mess from the number 3 defense man to number 6.

If not for Igor will we still have this record?? The difference with the teams I mention and us is that they have been there the last few years we havent. Goodrow is the only significant player we added with Playoff experience. Reaves spent most of the playoff run on the bench or in the stands.

If there was one need, just a player we needed to add, of course go for it. Adding JT Miller fills the need for a 3rd line center but doesnt help with the defensive issues.

If anyone wants to put their money where their mouth is, id take that bet. That the Rangers wont win the Cup this year.
- Brukie

I understand and agree with your position on patience. Where I differ is that we are in an unprecedented situation with our prospect depth. We have so many NHL quality defense prospects right now that there is no way every one of them will suit up for the Rangers as a regular. Why should we waste their trade value? I am not, not have I ever, been on board with shipping out a large portion of our youth. But, if we trade Chytil and a pick and prospect to solidify our overall depth, I'm in.
I truly believe Chytil will improve and could even be a really good forward in this league. But, you have to take chances sometimes. You don't fold before the flop when you have pocket aces. I'd say right now the NY Rangers are holding Jacks. Not the best hand in the game, but one you have to call with, at least until you get pushed for all your chips.

And they rarely miss a beat when Georgy is in there
- Slimtj100

They've played well with Georgy but if Igor went down for the season that would drastically affect how aggressive I'd be at the deadline. This team is not as good without Igor, but like I said, what team is as good without their best player? You can't make/not make moves based on the possibility of someone getting hurt.

Please post again how the Rangers need Pavs, I didnt understand it the first 100 times.
- Brukie

tell me that you are suggesting we should be sellers again and they should write another letter