It may have though i do not believe that is true. He works for Maine Mariners. Reading is Flyers ECHL team
- hello it's me 2050

Maine Mariners are owned by Comcast-Spectacor. Danny runs their day-to-day operations and is GM but still lives in this area.

You didn't like the Luke Schenn trade? What about the Pavel Kubina trade? What about the 3 year contract to Jody Shelley on the first day of free agency?
- PLindbergh31

Don't forget Max Talbot 5 years. I remember Ray Shero giggling when he was asked about that signing in a presser.

Gotcha.

The thing about the cap space if I understand correctly is that it it is essentially Cap ceiling less Cap hit plus the weird banking of cap space that can occur during the season, where you can send players down to minors and accrue the daily savings (and there is a pretty low max on that savings too. The max you can accumulate this season per player per day, irrespective of how high their AAV is (1,150,000/200)=5750. So, for example, if you send JVR down for x days to the minors, say during the original Olympic break, for 20 days, your cap space goes up by 5750*20=115000).


- PT21

It's the same formula as determining what his cap hit would be at the deadline. His cap hit divided by 20. Cap accounting is done daily. A players daily cap charge is cap hit /days of season.

Injury space is not bankable though. If your guy was down for a while, the amount of the salary on roster that did not show up on ice is not bankable across span of injury unlike the minors example above. If part of your cap space is injury related, and you use it to bring someone in at TDL, then the injured guy better be out for rest of regular season.

The amount of your LTIR space created by placing a guy on LTIR = (Cap hit - Cap Ceiling) + that player's AAV. You want that negative term within the parentheses to be as small as possible, which is why to get full value of LTIR, you want to be as close to Cap ceiling as possible.

That is pretty much all I understand about cap. MJL, please correct as needed.
- PT21

I think you over complicate it. If LTIR is available to you, it would be minus whatever cap space you have available under the upper limit plus whatever is left over up to the injured players cap hit. For example, if you have 2M of available cap space and place a player with a 7M cap hit on LTIR, you would have 5M of available LTIR cap space. Which is temporary unless the player is out for the season.

You're not letting him go for nothing at the end of the season and resigning him makes zero sense anymore.
- Pelle31Forever

Depends on what he'd be willing to take.

Depends what else is coming back with zucker. That is just an example of a contract that has to come back.


CC + Jones (both at 50%) for Zucker + Desmith + picks/prospects. Can see that happening
- hello it's me 2050

id do a backflip for that. I just dont think there is enough in the picks/prospects well that could make it worthwhile for the flyers while also feasible for pens.

Zucker isnt a bad player by any stretch, but he doesnt really do anything for the flyers. I also dont know if they could turn him around and acquire more draft capital all that easy.

but hey if you draw im the papers im in on this one. Can definitely make room for giroux.

Don't forget Max Talbot 5 years. I remember Ray Shero giggling when he was asked about that signing in a presser.
- PT21

that hurt but good for max. hit the goddamn powerball

I agree, and I do believe O'Brien will be part of the Flyers next season, either in the AHL or on the big club. I have seen all I want to see from Bunnaman, and since he is a 1st round pick the Flyers need to remain patient with Frost in hopes he figures it out. I think Allison just has to stay healthy and we know he can play for the Flyers. With Brink I still question whether he skates well enough to play in the NHL, but in fairness I haven't seen him play recently. I know he has the heart.

One other FA besides Lindholm I would take a run at is Valeri Nichushkin from Colorado. I think there is more in there and he can be a 20 goal scorer for some team, and he would be reasonable cost wise to sign.
- jd250

Nichushkin is an interesting case -- 2018-19 in Dallas, didn't score a single goal or take a single penalty in 57 games played. Had rep as a head case who whined and sulked at receiving coaching.

Dallas cut him loose. Goes to Colorado. Becomes a valuable part of their lineup.

Case in point of why not to give up on a young player after just a couple years. But could you imagine if he was a 23-year-old Flyers former 1st round who had 0 goals, 10 points and 0 PIM in 57 games played his 4th pro season in North America?

Don't forget Max Talbot 5 years. I remember Ray Shero giggling when he was asked about that signing in a presser.
- PT21

And then he scored 19 goals here and had a very good playoff series against Pitt (in a winning cause).

Unfortunately, thereafter he had injury issues and also didn't particularly get along with Chief.

Its not the polish that is lacking. It is the quality of the gem.
- PT21

The setting that the gem is placed in is very important.

Look at all the young players that have regressed in recent years.

Sunk Cost Konecny now has 56 points in his last 87 games. Maybe we can stop overreacting to goalless streaks for a top 6 winger who is more of a playmaker than a sniper.

You didn't like the Luke Schenn trade? What about the Pavel Kubina trade? What about the 3 year contract to Jody Shelley on the first day of free agency?
- PLindbergh31

If Holmgren had listened to his better angels and hung up the phone 50% of the time the Flyers would probably be a dynasty right now, lol.

It's the same formula as determining what his cap hit would be at the deadline. His cap hit divided by 20. Cap accounting is done daily. A players daily cap charge is cap hit /days of season.



I think you over complicate it. If LTIR is available to you, it would be minus whatever cap space you have available under the upper limit plus whatever is left over up to the injured players cap hit. For example, if you have 2M of available cap space and place a player with a 7M cap hit on LTIR, you would have 5M of available LTIR cap space. Which is temporary unless the player is out for the season.
- MJL

Ok this is exactly what I said. Thanks.

Sunk Cost Konecny now has 56 points in his last 87 games. Maybe we can stop overreacting to goalless streaks for a top 6 winger who is more of a playmaker than a sniper.
- Feanor

Doesn’t change the fact that he doesn’t bring it every game. Inconsistencies galore on this team , him and Sanheim should be good players night in and night out but they aren’t. Not advocating to trade TK but he needs to bring it every game.

And then he scored 19 goals here and had a very good playoff series against Pitt (in a winning cause).

Unfortunately, thereafter he had injury issues and also didn't particularly get along with Chief.
- bmeltzer

He had 1 great season in a 5 year contract. Didnt Raffl score 20 goals once?

This guy Berube didn't seem to get along well with a lot of guys: cold punches Roenick, ridiculed by Hartnell iirc?

That entire 5 months of the Blues cup run was a miracle.

Doesn’t change the fact that he doesn’t bring it every game. Inconsistencies galore on this team , him and Sanheim should be good players night in and night out but they aren’t. Not advocating to trade TK but he needs to bring it every game.
- ClaudeFather

He brings it, he just gets too down on himself. And then the team is so quick to bump him down the lineup at the merest hint of a struggle. Downward spiral ensues.

The setting that the gem is placed in is very important.

Look at all the young players that have regressed in recent years.
- MJL

No one has regressed in absolute terms. They just have not developed as you had hoped they would. It was your unrealistic expectations of these guys that are to blame. Look at league wide trend and I don't think Flyers are below tat line.

Unless you mean only TK, maybe, but that is two seasons on terrible teams + Covid.

Doesn’t change the fact that he doesn’t bring it every game. Inconsistencies galore on this team , him and Sanheim should be good players night in and night out but they aren’t. Not advocating to trade TK but he needs to bring it every game.
- ClaudeFather

I don't disagree with you on that but you have to be careful. The issue is that if you're playing with linemates or on a team that doesn't bring it every night, that can be difficult to overcome. With the defenseman, the more time you spend in your own zone the more chances are that you will make a mistake or get beaten. I think it weighs mentally on players. Flyers need to identify who they're keeping and give ice time to players that they're trying to develop.

No one has regressed in absolute terms. They just have not developed as you had hoped they would. It was your unrealistic expectations of these guys that are to blame. Look at league wide trend and I don't think Flyers are below tat line.

Unless you mean only TK, maybe, but that is two seasons on terrible teams + Covid.
- PT21

Oh, I disagree with that. When is the last time the Flyers had a young player exceed expectations? When is the last time a Flyers top picked turned out to be a star? It's not all development but the Flyers have a player development issue. Tell me, what is the league wide trend?

Nichushkin is an interesting case -- 2018-19 in Dallas, didn't score a single goal or take a single penalty in 57 games played. Had rep as a head case who whined and sulked at receiving coaching.

Dallas cut him loose. Goes to Colorado. Becomes a valuable part of their lineup.

Case in point of why not to give up on a young player after just a couple years. But could you imagine if he was a 23-year-old Flyers former 1st round who had 0 goals, 10 points and 0 PIM in 57 games played his 4th pro season in North America?
- bmeltzer

And if Nichushkin had stayed in Dallas it’s fair to wonder what he might of become. Some players in certain situations will never make it work. They need a fresh start or just a new opportunity to blossom. Patrick looks like a bust today…but honestly he has the talent to change that narrative if he can stay healthy and get back on track. What is apparent is it was probably never going to work in Philly.

Oh, I disagree with that. When is the last time the Flyers had a young player exceed expectations? When is the last time a Flyers top picked turned out to be a star? It's not all development but the Flyers have a player development issue. Tell me, what is the league wide trend?
- MJL

If your definition of regression is failing to beat expectations, then the entire history of the stock market would be a regression. You are not really disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with Merriam Webster about the meaning of the word regression.

I don't disagree with you on that but you have to be careful. The issue is that if you're playing with linemates or on a team that doesn't bring it every night, that can be difficult to overcome. With the defenseman, the more time you spend in your own zone the more chances are that you will make a mistake or get beaten. I think it weighs mentally on players. Flyers need to identify who they're keeping and give ice time to players that they're trying to develop.
- MJL

this big time. what theyre doing with frost makes no sense to me.

id do a backflip for that. I just dont think there is enough in the picks/prospects well that could make it worthwhile for the flyers while also feasible for pens.

Zucker isnt a bad player by any stretch, but he doesnt really do anything for the flyers. I also dont know if they could turn him around and acquire more draft capital all that easy.

but hey if you draw im the papers im in on this one. Can definitely make room for giroux.
- stayinthefnnet

Correct and correct he does not. He has the salary to make a deal work. Then next deadline you deal him. Not ideal though this is the type of deal you likely need to make to match up $$$

POJ on defense I like. Whats his deal?

That day when Homer traded Carter and Richards for Jake, Coots, Schenn and Simmer was probably the single greatest day for a Flyers GM ever.

The rest of his tenure was... mixed... to put it nicely.
- Tomahawk

zhitnick for coburn was pretty good. Hommer made some good trades, and iced competitive and entertaining teams. The cap was his enemy.

Correct and correct he does not. He has the salary to make a deal work. Then next deadline you deal him. Not ideal though this is the type of deal you likely need to make to match up $$$

POJ on defense I like. Whats his deal?
- hello it's me 2050

he showed some promise originally, but tailed off. looked overmatched at times.

i think he has promise still but i wouldnt label him an A plus prospect or anything just because he is the best of what they really have.

admittedly i havent followed a ton of the AHL this year, but I would rather he be down there hopefully logging big minutes rather than a fringe bottom pair on the pens. There really isnt a spot for him right now with everyone healthy. The pens have a lot of money sunk into their left side and he isnt beating any of them out right now. Pettersson is very solid despite not being great or overly noticeable in any one asset. Matheson has quietly had a decent year (much better than i would have anticipated) but his contract is an albatross in every sense of the word. I think the pens having 15 or so mil per year tied up on the left side without any major difference makers is one of their bigger problems.

the letang deal or no deal is going to be very interesting.

That day when Homer traded Carter and Richards for Jake, Coots, Schenn and Simmer was probably the single greatest day for a Flyers GM ever.

The rest of his tenure was... mixed... to put it nicely.
- Tomahawk

Many didnt see it that way at the time. Many thought it was a bad deal for PHI