I have no idea how Fletcher is still in that seat. I said it yesterday if they are selling this deadline how in the world can this guy get the green light to completely rehaul the roster in the offseason and then in 6 months get to be a seller.
- ClaudeFather

He's a member of the country club.

I will never be in favor of intentionally trying to lose which is what tanking is.
- MJL

So what is selling at this deadline and then having a bad season next year?

I will never be in favor of intentionally trying to lose which is what tanking is.
- MJL

Would trading away ex selk, who you say can easily be moved , be tanking?

rebuilding, tanking, whatever you want to call it. why are we arguing about the wording. I would say trading those guys are tanking, but someone else may not.
- bradster

Agreed. I do not care what it is labeled as. I want to get the right executives hired. This will entail removing the current regime. Those new executives would then accumulate the right group of players that will win a Stanley Cup(s). As part of accumulating the right players the draft and development process would be corrected.

Hire the correct executives first.

Old boys club or not, I don’t doubt that someone like Briere would bring a new perspective that is sorely needed. If he can be successful, it doesn’t matter that he’s being promoted internally.
- Sublime55

I think he could too. I just think there is a segment of the fanbase that would just say it was the same old thing whether or not it is warranted.

There may be some validity to that and there may not be. I don't think it would matter to them one way or another.

So what is selling at this deadline and then having a bad season next year?
- ClaudeFather

It's about what the teams intentions are. Are they trading away better players because they want the team to lose? Or are they trading away players because they're UFA's they're not going to sign? One of the examples of how Pittsburgh tanked to get Lemieux was that they sent down a goaltender who was playing really well at the time and called up a goalie who was awful in the minors to play instead during the last 25 games or so. They said it was to see what they had in the player but the true intention was to intentionally lose to get the #1 pick.

It's about what the teams intentions are. Are they trading away better players because they want the team to lose? Or are they trading away players because they're UFA's they're not going to sign? One of the examples of how Pittsburgh tanked to get Lemieux was that they sent down a goaltender who was playing really well at the time and called up a goalie who was awful in the minors to play instead during the last 25 games or so. They said it was to see what they had in the player but the true intention was to intentionally lose to get the #1 pick.
- MJL

Hence the implementation of the draft lottery.

It's about what the teams intentions are. Are they trading away better players because they want the team to lose? Or are they trading away players because they're UFA's they're not going to sign? One of the examples of how Pittsburgh tanked to get Lemieux was that they sent down a goaltender who was playing really well at the time and called up a goalie who was awful in the minors to play instead during the last 25 games or so. They said it was to see what they had in the player but the true intention was to intentionally lose to get the #1 pick.
- MJL

semantics Cliff. No matter how they acquire more and better picks in the end doesn't make a diff.

I'm surprised the Flyers aren't grooming Dave Brown to be their next GM. Perhaps Lappy can be asst. GM. Shhhhhhhh....better not give them any ideas. pffffffft.......
- Phillywhiteout

Scott Mellanby just quit Montreal front office...
There we go...problems solved.

Resign Risto and trade Sanheim. Your thoughts?

Hayes contract is horrific.

Wed have to wait 4 years in hopes of another amnesty.
- DrMidnite

Where are all the but he was "on pace for.." people?

Resign Risto and trade Sanheim. Your thoughts?
- mickel25

Awful.

Awful.
- MJL

Depending upon the contract numbers for Risto I could go either way.

Trading a first rounder for Steve Eminger was a beauty. Holmgren did some very good things but he was not the right guy in a cap environment.
- MJL

Didn't the caps pick Carlson with that pick? Imagine him on the blue line for the last 12 or so years

Didn't the caps pick Carlson with that pick? Imagine him on the blue line for the last 12 or so years
- corduroy

he would have been traded after 4 or 5 years...

Depending upon the contract numbers for Risto I could go either way.
- mickel25

Resigning Ristolainen would be a huge mistake. I'm okay with a trade of Sanheim in the right deal as long as the age of the return is similar.

Didn't the caps pick Carlson with that pick? Imagine him on the blue line for the last 12 or so years
- corduroy

Yes, they did.

Resigning Ristolainen would be a huge mistake. I'm okay with a trade of Sanheim in the right deal as long as the age of the return is similar.
- MJL

Sanheim is a free agent after the 2023 season. He will be traded at some point. No doubt imo.

Ryan Ellis is "on pace" to miss 78 games.

This season is just putrid.

I know it was sort of a joke at the time, but that dog crapping on the center ice logo really was the turning point of the season...

Here is a question. Who is the last team to have 2 coaches with 10 game losing streaks before they half way point of an NHL season?

Ryan Ellis is "on pace" to miss 78 games.

This season is just putrid.

I know it was sort of a joke at the time, but that dog crapping on the center ice logo really was the turning point of the season...
- cdearth23

great trade and I have been told that some people would do it again, in a heartbeat

Several definitions of tanking in 2022.

would trading say TK Ivan and Laughton for future draft picks be tanking?
- hello it's me 2050

I think trading TK or Provorov right now would be stupid to be honest. You don't cut off your nose to spite your face as the expression goes. When times like these occur, you cannot overreact and make emotional decisions, and I am happy that we have Fletcher because that is exactly the approach he is taking, he is being patient while the hoard is massing at the gates!

TK and Provey may be having rough years, but they demonstrate game in and game out that they want to be Flyers and they are putting out maximum effort. Eventually things will turn around for both these players, and we WANT that to happen with the Flyers, not another team.

Its clear some veterans should be moved. I think G will be traded for sure, Risto is 50/50 I would say at this point. JVR will be bought out in the off season, no one is going to trade for him this season since they all know he will be available for nothing in the off season. Again, I don't think things are as bleak here as you all think or want to believe. The Flyers still have a great goalie in Hart. They will get Ellis back next season with Provey and York which is nice start to rebuilding the D. They will get a healthy Couts back with Cam, Farabee, Laughts and hopefully a healthy Hayes which is a nice start to the forward group. If the Flyers can augment their lineup with significantly more speed and skill (via the draft and FAs) I think they can be much better next season.

There is an old saying that "it doesn't rain every day", at some point the Flyers have to get some luck and not lose so many players to injury.

he would have been traded after 4 or 5 years...
- hello it's me 2050

or ruined early on...never reaching potential.

See Morgan Frost.
I at least expected with nobody covering him and no 4th line pluggers dragging him down he would have buried his opportunity last night in SO...

Sanheim is a free agent after the 2023 season. He will be traded at some point. No doubt imo.
- hello it's me 2050

Im certainly tired of watching him be manhandled in front of the net.

I can see him being dealt this offseason or at next years trade deadline, especially with York and Zamula knocking at the door.

I would consider resigning Risto but I just don't see him taking a pay cut. And as far as I am concerned he isn't worth his current cap hit let alone a raise. That money can be best spent elsewhere and in a perfect world he is dealt at the deadline.

Im certainly tired of watching him be manhandled in front of the net.

I can see him being dealt this offseason or at next years trade deadline, especially with York and Zamula knocking at the door.

I would consider resigning Risto but I just don't see him taking a pay cut. And as far as I am concerned he isn't worth his current cap hit let alone a raise. That money can be best spent elsewhere and in a perfect world he is dealt at the deadline.
- MBFlyerfan

RR came from a losing organization. He went to another losing organization. I do not want him back at all.

There is no way he gets a raise if he test free agency imo. If he resigns here all bets are off as the GM is not good.