Canada Cup
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Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON Joined: 07.06.2007
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I completely agree.
Only reason I was saying the Matthews kick should be counted is because the NHL set the precedent with their previous rulings. - GreatGigInTheSky
There’s no precedent. Each situation, kicking or non kicking motion is different and has to be assessed completely on its own merits. |
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Aetherial
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Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today? Joined: 06.30.2006
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reg season really doesnt mean a damn thing to me at this point.
just need to make the playoffs, doesnt really matter where..any matchup is a good team...I have zero confidence they win a rd this year...that hasnt changed..after last seasons bed poopting - senstroll
same |
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GreatGigInTheSky
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Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON Joined: 06.12.2017
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Yeah but
Matthews kicked the puck in - no goal. Twitter man finding one that went other way doesn’t really change anything. - Canada Cup
It's not just one, though. It's multiple. It's happened to the Leafs alone 3 times this season. Smith for Vegas in the first game of the season, too.
That's just off the top of my head. I know there's been more for sure.
It's literally a coin flip at this point. |
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PatC80
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Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON Joined: 08.11.2011
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same - Aetherial
3rded...
Nothing matters in the regular season. just get to the playoffs.. Every team will be a tough match up.. There are far too may missed calls or lucky bounces or bad performances to get hung up a game or two..
What matters is winning a franking playoff round, (Ideally, they win all 4 rounds this year) do that and people will forget this stretch of games in January. |
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winsix
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Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine Joined: 04.03.2016
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There’s no precedent. Each situation, kicking or non kicking motion is different and has to be assessed completely on its own merits. - Canada Cup
It becomes the Russian jugdes in Olympic Gymnastics at that point. Either its legal or not. Leaving it up to a Ref or the Situation Room is BS IMO. A goal crossing the line is ok to review, you can get it right most of the time, but to try to determine intent to kick the puck in is bullpoop. To me it looked like Matthews was trying kick the puck to his stick but I'm ok with the disallowed goal. |
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Atomic Wedgie
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Location: The centre of the hockey universe Joined: 07.31.2006
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It becomes the Russian jugdes in Olympic Gymnastics at that point. Either its legal or not. Leaving it up to a Ref or the Situation Room is BS IMO. A goal crossing the line is ok to review, you can get it right most of the time, but to try to determine intent to kick the puck in is bullpoop. To me it looked like Matthews was trying kick the puck to is stick but I'm ok with the disallowed goal. - winsix
Trying to kick the puck to his stick would be no goal. |
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GreatGigInTheSky
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Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON Joined: 06.12.2017
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There’s no precedent. Each situation, kicking or non kicking motion is different and has to be assessed completely on its own merits. - Canada Cup
And yet complete soccer kicks have been called goals.
They have no clue what they're calling.
EDIT: And that's why I continue to be on the side that all kicks shouldn't count. |
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Aaron_85
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 04.22.2014
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Oilers are very tight against the cap, Koskinen actually helps the Habs. They get a terrible goalie that will help the draft pick, his contract expires after this year, Habs will still need to take another poop contract maybe two to make it work. - winsix
Or the habs can keep Price from playing and continue to tank as they have already and trade Allen for a 2nd all on his own.
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Atomic Wedgie
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Location: The centre of the hockey universe Joined: 07.31.2006
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winsix
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Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine Joined: 04.03.2016
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Trying to kick the puck to his stick would be no goal. - Atomic Wedgie
Which is why I stated I was ok with it being disallowed. I don't agree with the way the rule is employed. A ref or situation room should not be judging intent. Making hockey a judged sport is baloney IMO.
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Aaron_85
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 04.22.2014
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And yet complete soccer kicks have been called goals.
They have no clue what they're calling. - GreatGigInTheSky
Agreed. It's like goalie interference!
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Canada Cup
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Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON Joined: 07.06.2007
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It becomes the Russian jugdes in Olympic Gymnastics at that point. Either its legal or not. Leaving it up to a Ref or the Situation Room is BS IMO. A goal crossing the line is ok to review, you can get it right most of the time, but to try to determine intent to kick the puck in is bullpoop. To me it looked like Matthews was trying kick the puck to is stick but I'm ok with the disallowed goal. - winsix
Sorry, there’s no “either it’s legal or it’s not.” The rule says distinct kicking motion to propel it into the net. You can’t write a rule that sets out every possible circumstance, every skate angle, foot movement. All you can do is try to define what is prohibited and leave it to the refs to apply the circumstances to the rule.
Also, who said intent is a consideration. The rule just said propels it into the net with a distinct kicking motion. Intent is irrelevant. |
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Scabeh
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Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC Joined: 02.25.2007
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Agree and Montreal current management much more competent IMO than Holland. But Oilers are tight against the cap, only way this works is if they can unload some crap. - winsix
I'm all for taking on crap.
But we need to get something good too.
Otherwise just keep Price until he retires and you raise his jersey to the rafters. |
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winsix
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Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine Joined: 04.03.2016
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Or the habs can keep Price from playing and continue to tank as they have already and trade Allen for a 2nd all on his own. - Aaron_85
Gorton cleaned house and unloaded big time when he replaced Sather in NY. Habs hired him to do the same IMO. Gorton and his translater GM will be unloading big time to make cap room and get picks and prospects. Price is the biggest cap hit on the team. He will be moved IMO, if not during the season, in the offseason.
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Adam French
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Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh Joined: 04.06.2011
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Gorton cleaned house and unloaded big time when he replaced Sather in NY. Habs hired him to do the same IMO. Gorton and his translater GM will be unloading big time to make cap room and get picks and prospects. Price is the biggest cap hit on the team. He will be moved IMO, if not during the season, in the offseason. - winsix
Lol. How? |
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winsix
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Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine Joined: 04.03.2016
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I'm all for taking on crap.
But we need to get something good too.
Otherwise just keep Price until he retires and you raise his jersey to the rafters. - Scabeh
Agree, Gorton did the same with the NYR. Price is the biggest cap hit - so an obvious target. Gorton was a good hire. If they take on a garbage contract, they can use picks and prospect to unload. It will not be a one year rebuild IMO. He did ok rebuilding the Rangers, even if Drury will get the credit.
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Adam French
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Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh Joined: 04.06.2011
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Agree, Gorton did the same with the NYR. Price is the biggest cap hit - so an obvious target. Gorton was a good hire. If they take on a garbage contract, they can use picks and prospect to unload. It will not be a one year rebuild IMO. He did ok rebuilding the Rangers, even if Drury will get the credit. - winsix
He also did great in his brief time with the Bruins as well. He's a great hire. But this is going to be a slow burn. |
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winsix
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Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine Joined: 04.03.2016
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Lol. How? - AdamFrench
Habs will be rebuilding, do you think Price at age 34 and the highest cap hit on the team is part of the rebuild?
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winsix
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He also did great in his brief time with the Bruins as well. He's a great hire. But this is going to be a slow burn. - AdamFrench
Agree, so hard to see them going forward with a 34 year old goalie that is the biggest cap hit on the team.
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Adam French
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Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh Joined: 04.06.2011
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Habs will be rebuilding, do you think Price at age 34 and the highest cap hit on the team is part of the rebuild? - winsix
My question is how do they move these pieces in this tight atmosphere? |
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Cush29
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Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON Joined: 12.22.2014
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And yet complete soccer kicks have been called goals.
They have no clue what they're calling.
EDIT: And that's why I continue to be on the side that all kicks shouldn't count. - GreatGigInTheSky
Yep.
Fully admit my bias as a goalie but I'd just make the rule simple and clear - no goals permitted if in off offensive players foot period hard stop. It would take out the entire argument of intent, kicking motions or re-direct etc. that has proven to be nothing shy of a disaster as there seems to be no consistency.
I mean it's hockey where the point of the game is to put the puck in the net with the stick right?
Goals off shinpads, pants and bodies are fine if it's a deflection and not intentional/
Players have to move their stakes move too much to turn, stop etc. and then trying to determine if the skate movement was for that or to put a puck in the net and then if to put the puck in the net if it was a 'distinct kicking motion' or not is a big ask. To me that's silly creating too much opportunity for a mistake to be made & inconsistency to exist (as it does).
Put I know the league wants goals not saves so if anything it will eventually slide the other way and say something as stupid as as long as it was your skate and the kick was below the waist it's a good goal. |
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Cush29
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Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON Joined: 12.22.2014
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I'm all for taking on crap.
But we need to get something good too.
Otherwise just keep Price until he retires and you raise his jersey to the rafters. - Scabeh
That's probably happening regardless no? |
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winsix
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Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine Joined: 04.03.2016
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My question is how do they move these pieces in this tight atmosphere? - AdamFrench
Not an easy contract to move, I agree. Take on crap, like the Leafs did, and move that crap out when possible. Acquire as many picks and prospects along the way. Edmonton is prime to be squeezed. 39 year old Mike Smith got a 2 year deal from them FFS. Koskinen is $4.5M and comes off the books next year. If Oilers are even close, Hollond will be dealing for a goalie before the TDL.
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fifty__missions
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Location: Burkie's Rented Barn, ON Joined: 02.12.2013
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reg season really doesnt mean a damn thing to me at this point.
just need to make the playoffs, doesnt really matter where..any matchup is a good team...I have zero confidence they win a rd this year...that hasnt changed..after last seasons bed poopting - senstroll
I'm a little more optimistic, but with one caveat - they need a pretty significant upgrade on the backend, preferably with some snarl. A legit top four player, not a wannabe pretender like Holl. It will cost to acquire. |
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Scabeh
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Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC Joined: 02.25.2007
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That's probably happening regardless no? - Cush29
I bloody hope so.
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