Absolutely they will. IMO the only way Price doesn't get moved is if somehow, the Habs can pull a Chicago/Red Wings/Habs con job to convince the NHL that Price's career is over due to injuries and escape the cap hit. Otherwise he will be traded. If Leafs could trade Phaneuf, Habs can trade Price.
- winsix

I had to check - he had five years remaining on his contract (not counting the rest of the year when we traded him).

What the hell was Ottawa thinking?

Not crazy about Chapman. Good power sure, but the strikeout and batting average are crappy. Would much rather Jose Ramirez even if it costs more - and it would.
- winsix

was a 7.6 war player in 2018 and 2019
been down a bit since, but Elite defense.. led MLB last season in OAA for 3b with 17
(ramirez had 7)

if the cost is similar, sure go for Ramirez. But a good consolation prize would be Chapman

I love The Cars.
- Zezel

Saw them at the Gardens, was a super short concert, they didn't have alot of material. If I recall correctly the back up group was Boston, but i could be wrong.

Nice

I have 37 cards pending from eBay

I have a problem 🤷
- mr.sir

can unload some stuff on me

I just bought a ksa 9 Shanny Rookie

So this is an interesting debate - is he worthy of having his jersey retired?

It's a pretty high bar in Montreal.

And related - does he go to the HHOF?

In terms of individual awards, he had one outstanding season, winning the Hart, Jennings, Vezina and Lindsay awards.

Other than that, the trophy case is bare.

At the international level, one gold in the Olympics. 0.6 GAA, .972 sv%, but the team was ridiculous.

Gold at WJC, tournament MVP.

And keep in mind, it's almost impossible for goalies to go to the HHOF.

Check out the goalie inductee list since 1988:

1988: Tony Esposito

1989: Tretiak

1993: Billy Smith

2003: Grant Fuhr

2006: Patrick Roy

2011: Ed Belfour

2014: Dominic Hasek

2016: Rogie Vachon (wtf?)

2018: Martin Brodeur

2020: Kim St. Pierre

So in 38 years, 10 goalies, two who weren't in the NHL, one who was from the previous era.

Tough to say Price makes the cut.

I remember when Belfour was elected, and there were tons of people who said he shouldn't have made it.
- Atomic Wedgie

Huh. Never thought of this. It's the most important position in hockey and they're not in the hall. Shouldn't Cujo be in there? Who else. Lolongo? Dryden? Turk Broda? Parent?

Saw them at the Gardens, was a super short concert, they didn't have alot of material. If I recall correctly the back up group was Boston, but i could be wrong.


- winsix

OMG. I listened to their greatest hits today. So good.

Leafs need to make a play for a defenceman.

Personally if I were Dubas I’d explore finding a way to get Chychrun. It would be a hefty cost but worth it IMO. Leafs have (frank) all for prospects, so ARI would likely pass on that.

If not Chych, then Klingberg should be the target.

Baseball Talk!!

Trade with the A's
https://theathletic.com/3...e-jays-as-deal-look-like/


For Chapman and Manaea

Blue Jays offer a package of:

3B Jordan Groshans
C Alejandro Kirk
LHP Ricky Tiedemann
3B/UT Kevin Smith


Or

Groshans
Smith
UT Otto Lopez
RHP Bowden Francis
LHP Zach Logue

Either would be fine with me, get it done
- senstroll

I don't get the fuss with Manea. . . he's basically a .500 pitcher. Maybe you get a 13-12, or if you're lucky a 14-10 year out of him. Chapman has seen his OPS+ run down year over year from 137, 127, 120 to 100. Meanwhile his strikeout rate has climbed from 22-23% to over 32% in his past 2 years. He feels like he's Chris Davis-ing and I'd want no part of it.

Huh. Never thought of this. It's the most important position in hockey and they're not in the hall. Shouldn't Cujo be in there? Who else. Lolongo? Dryden? Turk Broda? Parent?
- Zezel

Dryden, Broda and Parent were inducted before 1988

I don't get the fuss with Manea. . . he's basically a .500 pitcher. Maybe you get a 13-12, or if you're lucky a 14-10 year out of him. Chapman has seen his OPS+ run down year over year from 137, 127, 120 to 100. Meanwhile his strikeout rate has climbed from 22-23% to over 32% in his past 2 years. He feels like he's Chris Davis-ing and I'd want no part of it.
- Monkeypunk

I think Manaea couldbe good, if he had a team that could consistently put up 10 runs per start.

Dryden, Broda and Parent were inducted before 1988
- PatC80

Oh okay.

Where's Mike Palmateer?

Saw them at the Gardens, was a super short concert, they didn't have alot of material. If I recall correctly the back up group was Boston, but i could be wrong.


- winsix

I saw them at the Gardens in the 80's . . .I was in high school, so it was sometime between '84 and '88, I guess.

They had a giant wheel thing, and other huge effects (blow up stuff, and whatnot). The band moved on stage so infrequently, they could have been cardboard cutouts or mannequins. I remember at one point someone lifted a leg and my buddy said, "Holy poop, they are real!"

It might have been the same concert - I don't recall it being short, but I do recall it being boring.

Baseball Talk!!

Trade with the A's
https://theathletic.com/3...e-jays-as-deal-look-like/


For Chapman and Manaea

Blue Jays offer a package of:

3B Jordan Groshans
C Alejandro Kirk
LHP Ricky Tiedemann
3B/UT Kevin Smith


Or

Groshans
Smith
UT Otto Lopez
RHP Bowden Francis
LHP Zach Logue

Either would be fine with me, get it done
- senstroll

Pretty easy "do it", really. Even if losing Groshans sucks. Getting a Gold Glove 3rd baseman is a huge win.

But I'm still hoping for the homerun acquisition of Ramirez.

So this is an interesting debate - is he worthy of having his jersey retired?

It's a pretty high bar in Montreal.

And related - does he go to the HHOF?

In terms of individual awards, he had one outstanding season, winning the Hart, Jennings, Vezina and Lindsay awards.

Other than that, the trophy case is bare.

At the international level, one gold in the Olympics. 0.6 GAA, .972 sv%, but the team was ridiculous.

Gold at WJC, tournament MVP.

And keep in mind, it's almost impossible for goalies to go to the HHOF.

Check out the goalie inductee list since 1988:

1988: Tony Esposito

1989: Tretiak

1993: Billy Smith

2003: Grant Fuhr

2006: Patrick Roy

2011: Ed Belfour

2014: Dominic Hasek

2016: Rogie Vachon (wtf?)

2018: Martin Brodeur

2020: Kim St. Pierre

So in 38 years, 10 goalies, two who weren't in the NHL, one who was from the previous era.

Tough to say Price makes the cut.

I remember when Belfour was elected, and there were tons of people who said he shouldn't have made it.
- Atomic Wedgie

Another interesting little tidbit:

Price has only been named to the All Star Team once: the 1st team in 2014-15. He has never been named to the 2nd team.

Not crazy about Chapman. Good power sure, but the strikeout and batting average are crappy. Would much rather Jose Ramirez even if it costs more - and it would.
- winsix

Sure, Chapman's strikeouts are insanely high, but Gold Glove defense.

Bolded- Same, man. Same.

Leafs need to make a play for a defenceman.

Personally if I were Dubas I’d explore finding a way to get Chychrun. It would be a hefty cost but worth it IMO. Leafs have (frank) all for prospects, so ARI would likely pass on that.

If not Chych, then Klingberg should be the target.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

What's interesting is Matt Knies is from Phoenix and looking like a terrific prospect. They'd love to get their hands on him. Knies, 1st, Niemela.

I don't get the fuss with Manea. . . he's basically a .500 pitcher. Maybe you get a 13-12, or if you're lucky a 14-10 year out of him. Chapman has seen his OPS+ run down year over year from 137, 127, 120 to 100. Meanwhile his strikeout rate has climbed from 22-23% to over 32% in his past 2 years. He feels like he's Chris Davis-ing and I'd want no part of it.
- Monkeypunk

first Pitcher wins is a terribly useless stat.

A player the jays signed had this 5 year OPS+ run when they signed him
99
97
95
139
89

a .755 ops over that span. (semien)

You hope Chapmans offence bounces back again, but his D is pretty amazing

can unload some stuff on me

I just bought a ksa 9 Shanny Rookie
- senstroll

Deeeeeeeelzzzzzzzz

Nice

I have 37 cards pending from eBay

I have a problem 🤷
- mr.sir

All the Tim Hortons around me have been sold out of cards for over a week.

What's interesting is Matt Knies is from Phoenix and looking like a terrific prospect. They'd love to get their hands on him. Knies, 1st, Niemela.
- RogerRoeper

Delete your account

Niemela 🥇

I saw them at the Gardens in the 80's . . .I was in high school, so it was sometime between '84 and '88, I guess.

They had a giant wheel thing, and other huge effects (blow up stuff, and whatnot). The band moved on stage so infrequently, they could have been cardboard cutouts or mannequins. I remember at one point someone lifted a leg and my buddy said, "Holy poop, they are real!"

It might have been the same concert - I don't recall it being short, but I do recall it being boring.
- Monkeypunk

It wasn't the same show. I saw them earlier than that, fist time at the El Mocambo, they played the Gardens only twice, in 1979 and 1987. They did play the CNE in 1980 and 84

All the Tim Hortons around me have been sold out of cards for over a week.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Timmy cards suck

Another interesting little tidbit:

Price has only been named to the All Star Team once: the 1st team in 2014-15. He has never been named to the 2nd team.
- Atomic Wedgie

Basically he beat the Leafs even though he sucks.

So this is an interesting debate - is he worthy of having his jersey retired?

It's a pretty high bar in Montreal.

And related - does he go to the HHOF?

In terms of individual awards, he had one outstanding season, winning the Hart, Jennings, Vezina and Lindsay awards.

Other than that, the trophy case is bare.

At the international level, one gold in the Olympics. 0.6 GAA, .972 sv%, but the team was ridiculous.

Gold at WJC, tournament MVP.

And keep in mind, it's almost impossible for goalies to go to the HHOF.

Check out the goalie inductee list since 1988:

1988: Tony Esposito

1989: Tretiak

1993: Billy Smith

2003: Grant Fuhr

2006: Patrick Roy

2011: Ed Belfour

2014: Dominic Hasek

2016: Rogie Vachon (wtf?)

2018: Martin Brodeur

2020: Kim St. Pierre

So in 38 years, 10 goalies, two who weren't in the NHL, one who was from the previous era.

Tough to say Price makes the cut.

I remember when Belfour was elected, and there were tons of people who said he shouldn't have made it.
- Atomic Wedgie

Bolded- Idiots

Personally, I think Price is a lock for HHoF.

Deeeeeeeelzzzzzzzz
- mr.sir

im accumulating the current Leafs in high grade so when they win the cup the hype train explodes and I sell off and retire in the sunset.

so..basically I will be burried with them