IMO, Borgstrom is likely not on the Hawks next season and as early as the TDL. I like his skill and quiet compete level but doesn't seem that management is high on him.

While I like what he brings and thinks he still is waiting to untap his potential, I wouldn't be disappointed if Borgstrom is gone.

He could go on to the the next Teravainen or on to being just a guy. I'd wager he's somewhere in the middle.
- Theo Fox

how would we know doesn't get ice time to be a consistent player imo. I like him but needs an opportunity to really show what he can do. Playing him all over the place and in and out of the lineup us not good for his development. Maybe turns our to be a really good player or maybe not.

Isn't that like being the tallest midget?
- mohel

I’ve been called the best looking ugly person.

I would have to agree on that last part that management isn't willing to do a full rebuild. Either that and/or Toews and Kane are not willing to waive their NMCs.

Personally, I think that's not good for the organization's long-term growth but it's not my money on the line.

You're right that Jones could still be traded this season before his new contract kicks in, but given what you said, management likely has no interest to even consider trading him.
- Theo Fox

What exactly is a full rebuild, and how long is the path back from one? When do you realistically see an Ariz or BUF competing again? EDM sorta, kinda, maybe got there.....maybe not.

Reality is that only the top maybe one-third of the first rounders become difference makers. Get lucky to hit on a few in a row and hopefully you have something to build around with "organization" guys and a few FA's, but we can all see what a crap shoot that really is.

In Friedman's 32 thoughts

3. Chicago is bracing for change even if Kyle Davidson stays. There is expected to be staff turnover.

10th actually, 3rd over the last 2 seasons.
- TheTrob

Thanks, T........ Smaller sample size but it still speaks to Dcat's ability to do what is the very very hardest thing to do in hockey and that's score goals. And at 24 with his prime yrs ahead my guess he's the very least likely to be traded.

The ultimate puzzle, how do you go from being stuck in the middle of the pack and drafting in the middle of the rounds to true contention. I think you have to do like they have done in the last several drafts and if drafting in the lower half of the round you have to take guys that maybe are a "reach". Reichel was drafted over his projection, Allan even more so. If they pan out as tracking, then you have some steals. No sure who said it originally, but they have to start drafting the guys with higher ceilings and maybe bigger chance of bust than the guys with lower ceilings and higher floors. The former is where you find your ADB's or maybe Reichel, the latter is where you find your 4th liners and 3rd pairing guys.
- TheTrob

I think you just answered your own question there.

They also can have a completely different mindset around trades (especially now) and stockpile better picks and prospects. There are no expectations on this team. The FO needs to act like it.

I'm not questioning the consulting firms goal and past success in building "winning" franchises, my question is more this: You can have the absolute best organizational plans and build the best framework possible, but if you don't place the right people into that framework it doesn't mean squat.

You still need someone to identify the front office, scouting, and coaching talent necessary to acquire, evaluate, develop and use the playing assets they acquire.
- TheTrob

As JJ used to say...ding, ding, ding.

This is my concern about the Soccer Gurus. Do they know the right hockey people? And if Rocky and Danny know the right hockey people, why not hire them and have the Gurus teach them their Guru-ness? I fear neither group knows who to hire.

I’ve been called the best looking ugly person.
- paulr

That works just fine at 2:00am.

Thanks, T........ Smaller sample size but it still speaks to Dcat's ability to do what is the very very hardest thing to do in hockey and that's score goals. And at 24 with his prime yrs ahead my guess he's the very least likely to be traded.
- Mr Ricochet

Agreed

In Friedman's 32 thoughts

3. Chicago is bracing for change even if Kyle Davidson stays. There is expected to be staff turnover.
- LAHawk

He went way out on a limb there, eh?

As JJ used to say...ding, ding, ding.

This is my concern about the Soccer Gurus. Do they know the right hockey people? And if Rocky and Danny know the right hockey people, why not hire them and have the Gurus teach them their Guru-ness? I fear neither group knows who to hire.
- mohel

I don't think that the consulting firm is going to be involved with choosing who to put into the positions, just in laying out how a competent organization should be structured.

In Friedman's 32 thoughts

3. Chicago is bracing for change even if Kyle Davidson stays. There is expected to be staff turnover.
- LAHawk

I heard him say that on his podcast with Marek yesterday. They talked about the VAN GM job for 10 minutes and the Hawks for 12 seconds. Over the last month those two have talked about the MTL and VAN FO openings for 14 hrs, the ANA job for 3 and 1/2 minutes and the Hawks for 67 seconds. Friedman knows jack about the Hawks ..... I listen to these two guys podcast every day and IMO Friedman knows nothing about the Hawk's FO at all. Zero, and that's because there is nothing to report on cuz the Hawks have talked to nobody about the Prez of Hockey Ops or GM job. If they did that would have leaked and a bunch of scoop guys would reported on it.

I really give it a better than 50/50 shot that Davidson will become the permanent GM. Just a guess but all along thought Rocky and his Boy would take the path of least resistance and that along with the Hawks going from a complete joke to a team that plays .500 hockey under Davidson/King that's enough to justifying the path of least resistance in their minds.

No idea if that would end up good or bad but better chance than not it happens that way.

I’ve been called the best looking ugly person.
- paulr

Heard a women on the radio say "you're not ugly you're broke". "Anyone with money can have ugly fixed if they want to".

I heard him say that on his podcast with Marek yesterday. They talked about the VAN GM job for 10 minutes and the Hawks for 12 seconds. Over the last month those two have talked about the MTL and VAN FO openings for 14 hrs, the ANA job for 3 and 1/2 minutes and the Hawks for 67 seconds. Friedman knows jack about the Hawks ..... I listen to these two guys podcast every day and IMO Friedman knows nothing about the Hawk's FO at all. Zero, and that's because there is nothing to report on cuz the Hawks have talked to nobody about the Prez of Hockey Ops or GM job. If they did that would have leaked and a bunch of scoop guys would reported on it.

I really give it a better than 50/50 shot that Davidson will become the permanent GM. Just a guess but all along thought Rocky and his Boy would take the path of least resistance and that along with the Hawks going from a complete joke to a team that plays .500 hockey under Davidson/King that's enough to justifying the path of least resistance in their minds.

No idea if that would end up good or bad but better chance than not it happens that way.
- Mr Ricochet

I'm really on the fence about that, leaning towards the "I don't like it side" more and more. Nothing against Davidson, but he is 1) very Young 2) has no Hockey background either playing or coaching 3) His full exposure to the game is learning at the feet of a dysfunctional Hawks FO.

Does that mean he can't be effective, not necessarily, but odds are not on his side.

Heard a women on the radio say "you're not ugly you're broke". "Anyone with money can have ugly fixed if they want to".
- Mr Ricochet

Well I’m broke too, however I have been told I have a great personality.

That works just fine at 2:00am.
- mohel

It has in the past.

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I asked Marc-Andre Fleury if he's considered a trade to a contender ahead of the deadline:

"It's not my thought yet. All I want is to have this team make the playoffs. Honestly, that’s what’s in my head right now. To me, it’s not worth looking too far ahead."
- Chunk

Fleury is too smart to answer the question in any other way.

What he probably knows (and likely has been told) is that the Hawks will be holding an auction soon and let Colorado, Minnesota, Washington, Toronto, Edmonton, Pittsburgh, Carolina bid on him at the deadline and that the Hawks will have a very nice contract waiting for him to sign for year or two if he wants to keep playing.

If he doesn't want to play and decides to retire, there will be a job waiting for him somewhere in the NHL. The league needs very popular, clean cut, happy, smiling guys like M.A. Fleury.

Fleury is too smart to answer the question in any other way.

What he probably knows (and likely has been told) is that the Hawks will be holding an auction soon and let Colorado, Minnesota, Washington, Toronto, Edmonton, Pittsburgh, Carolina bid on him at the deadline and that the Hawks will have a very nice contract waiting for him to sign for year or two if he wants to keep playing.

If he doesn't want to play and decides to retire, there will be a job waiting for him somewhere in the NHL. The league needs very popular, clean cut, happy, smiling guys like M.A. Fleury.
- RickJ

I don't mind Fleury, and re-signing him for 2 @ $5mil or so is ok. I'm not a $7-10mil for a goalie guy, especially for a team that is not a cup contender.

What exactly is a full rebuild, and how long is the path back from one? When do you realistically see an Ariz or BUF competing again? EDM sorta, kinda, maybe got there.....maybe not.

Reality is that only the top maybe one-third of the first rounders become difference makers. Get lucky to hit on a few in a row and hopefully you have something to build around with "organization" guys and a few FA's, but we can all see what a crap shoot that really is.
- TheTrob

Good question. To me, a full rebuild would be making trades of current assets to recoup futures whether draft capital, prospects with NHL viability, and/or young roster players.

Kane would bring back a good return. So would Fleury. Toews to a lesser degree but he would net something of value.

Yet, if some or all of them aren't willing to waive, then there's nothing the team can do about it except find other ways to build the team up again.

At the very least, hope that Kane and Toews negotiate new contracts that are friendlier and don't handcuff the team like their current deals.

Same with Fleury if he wants to come back and the Hawks are open to that, too.

I don't think that the consulting firm is going to be involved with choosing who to put into the positions, just in laying out how a competent organization should be structured.
- TheTrob

I just don't get the difficulty. The structures of all teams is easy to determine; as is what works, and what doesn't. It all comes down to hiring the right people.

Well I’m broke too, however I have been told I have a great personality.
- paulr

My brother in law has told me that I have a voice for radio and I tell him I have a face for radio.

I don't mind Fleury, and re-signing him for 2 @ $5mil or so is ok. I'm not a $7-10mil for a goalie guy, especially for a team that is not a cup contender.
- TheTrob

This is his 18th season in the NHL. He's probably made $100 million + to date. I doubt he is going to haggle over a couple million. The Hawks would easily find him some endorsement money so he could walk around with some change in his pocket.

I just don't get the difficulty. The structures of all teams is easy to determine; as is what works, and what doesn't. It all comes down to hiring the right people.
- mohel

Yup, there are all kinds of different structures that work....and similar structures that seemingly don't. The difference is the people.

In Friedman's 32 thoughts

3. Chicago is bracing for change even if Kyle Davidson stays. There is expected to be staff turnover.
- LAHawk

Yanic Perreault and Mike Gapski out?

I'm not questioning the consulting firms goal and past success in building "winning" franchises, my question is more this: You can have the absolute best organizational plans and build the best framework possible, but if you don't place the right people into that framework it doesn't mean squat.

You still need someone to identify the front office, scouting, and coaching talent necessary to acquire, evaluate, develop and use the playing assets they acquire.
- TheTrob

I listened to a long interview recently of Mike Forde, his company is Sportsology, done a couple yrs ago by Friedman and Marek. Going from memory what he does is look at sport's organIzations and how it hires and promotes.

Gave examples of franchises hiring the top assistant from a Super Bowl winning team and how often that worked out, percentage wise. How often a top assistant took over for a team that had recently won a World Series that he was already working for and how often that worked out, percentage wise.

Who were the people hired, where did they come from, what positions did they hold on the way up and are holding before being hired or promoted to the big seat. ....... What was the methodology for hiring people and what the data showed for the profile of a winning manager, profile being the operative term. A proper process will uncover the person with the right profile for a job is their claim and by all accounts Sportsology has been successful.

What is the profile of the most successful managers and organIzational structures.

No, Sportsology will probably not make a recommendation by name but will show Rocky and his Boy candidates that fit the profile of successful managers and/or teach them how to identify the profile of a winner. In that context they will make a hire is how the company sells itself.

No, Rocky doesn't know who the assistant to the GM is in NJ before hand but will run profiles on many many people and that assistant would fit as a possibility and thru the process will or will not fit a profile of a person that has gone on to a successful managerial career.

Have a listen to that interview by Marek and Friedman with Forde. "an example is the average time to hire an NFL GM is 17 days" is the kinda stuff this dude gathers. https://canucksbanter.ca/...ughts-the-podcast/page/2/