jd250
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Allison has goals in 3 consecutive games so I expect he will be called up if he hasn't been already. - MBFlyerfan
I was hoping the same thing, but then I wondered, do I really want to expose this kid to this crap show that is the Flyers right now? |
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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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I think the Flyers PP woes start with faceoffs. G just loses too many faceoffs and where they should be starting with possession in the offensive zone, the Flyers are constantly chasing the puck down the ice and losing 30 seconds in the process. I do think the Flyers are entering the zone OK, not great, and setting up but its what they are doing after this that bothers me ... its basically nothing. There is no movement of players, no passes designed to create odd man situations and shooting lanes, no creativity, no purpose! Just mindless passes from one Flyers' player to the next from what I can tell. York to G, back to York, back to G, for a shot that deflects out of play, rinse, repeat! That is the Flyers PP in a nutshell these days.
Net front presence only matters if you actually shoot the puck and get pucks on net, and the Flyers do a piss poor job in this department. I wonder if there is a stat for PP shots, because I bet the Flyers are near the bottom of this statistic also. - jd250
Giroux has taken 90 PP faceoffs. He was won 59 and lost 31. What's that percentage? 62%, which is outstanding. |
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Tomahawk
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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Giroux has taken 90 PP faceoffs. He was won 59 and lost 31. What's that percentage? 62%, which is outstanding. - MJL
This is why eyeballs and feelings always need to be checked against actual data lol
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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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I disagree because if they could score on their albeit few chances, it’s a big boost to work on the details to get to the shot part. - NC Flyers Fan
The reason they aren't scoring on the PP is not due to the net front player. They have major issues on the PP. Net front is not one of them.
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This team needs to do everything and anything to get Bedard next year. I’m willing to be the worst team to do it. I won’t watch any games this year. I might next year if they get rid of this core and bring in kids. First time in my life I canceled center ice package . What a poop show. |
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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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This is why eyeballs and feelings always need to be checked against actual data lol - Tomahawk
Feelings I can see. Eyeballs really depend greatly on whose eyes they are. Some think Ristolainen is the Flyers best defenseman and one of the best in the league. McEwen makes a huge impact, etc.
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From Kevin Allen:
5. Based on what has occurred in Pittsburgh, Vancouver and Montreal, is the one GM leadership set-up going the way of the Dodo bird? Seems like we are moving toward the idea that two heads are better than one in team management. Is it a fad or a trend? Much too early to tell.
Interesting..... |
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stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 01.12.2012
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From Kevin Allen:
5. Based on what has occurred in Pittsburgh, Vancouver and Montreal, is the one GM leadership set-up going the way of the Dodo bird? Seems like we are moving toward the idea that two heads are better than one in team management. Is it a fad or a trend? Much too early to tell.
Interesting..... - hello it's me 2050
i mean the pens havent really done much yet to even formulate any kind of evaluation on the hextall/burke pairing, much less figure out who is responsible for what.
this offseason is the one. |
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bradster
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Joined: 12.18.2009
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The problem is this is not the year to tank ... I will take a top 5 pick this year and then go all in tank mode to try to get the top pick next year and get Connor Bedard. Then we will have a future to look forward to as Flyers fans. - jd250
What i've been reading, is the top 5-6 in the draft are good 1st line players. After that, projected for 2nd liners. Would suck getting a 7 or 8th overall pick, and not even getting a 1st liner skill set out of it.
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aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA Joined: 03.14.2008
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How are you setting the bar for meeting or not meeting expectations? How are you determining the expectations for each player? - MJL
Why did I have a feeling you would ask this question? I didn't use any complex metrics; what round they were drafted and previous seasons statistical averages vs. current season, plus my own expectations. Certainly not an exact science and like I said, it's subjective. For example, I didn't have high expectations for Brassard when he signed here, but he played well when he was healthy. Therefore in my humble opinion, he met expectations. York is the only player on the entire team I feel is exceeding expectations because I didn't even think he'd make the Flyers this year and he's acquitted himself rather well.
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i mean the pens havent really done much yet to even formulate any kind of evaluation on the hextall/burke pairing, much less figure out who is responsible for what.
this offseason is the one. - stayinthefnnet
The point is imo The GM isn't the one solely making the decisions per say. |
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aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA Joined: 03.14.2008
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The reason they aren't scoring on the PP is not due to the net front player. They have major issues on the PP. Net front is not one of them. - MJL
Zone entries are piss poor and probably the biggest issue on the PP right now. Then it's a combination of slow puck movement and an inability to get shots through from the point.
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Tomahawk
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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From Kevin Allen:
5. Based on what has occurred in Pittsburgh, Vancouver and Montreal, is the one GM leadership set-up going the way of the Dodo bird? Seems like we are moving toward the idea that two heads are better than one in team management. Is it a fad or a trend? Much too early to tell.
Interesting..... - hello it's me 2050
Flyers have one egghead doing two jobs, even better! |
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This team needs to do everything and anything to get Bedard next year. I’m willing to be the worst team to do it. I won’t watch any games this year. I might next year if they get rid of this core and bring in kids. First time in my life I canceled center ice package . What a poop show. - Keyser soze
You can be the worst team and still not get that #1 pick...Assuming Hayes..Couts..Ellis come back healthy next year dont see them being the worst team and dont see management allowing a full teardown. |
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Flyers have one egghead doing two jobs, even better! - Tomahawk
2022/23 Season hierarchy:
President of Hockey Ops - Fletcher
GM - Ray Shero/ Briere
Coach - Richard Tocchet
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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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Why did I have a feeling you would ask this question? I didn't use any complex metrics; what round they were drafted and previous seasons statistical averages vs. current season, plus my own expectations. Certainly not an exact science and like I said, it's subjective. For example, I didn't have high expectations for Brassard when he signed here, but he played well when he was healthy. Therefore in my humble opinion, he met expectations. York is the only player on the entire team I feel is exceeding expectations because I didn't even think he'd make the Flyers this year and he's acquitted himself rather well. - aantny88
When looking at players like Frost and York, it's really far too soon to judge that in my opinion. Statistical averages in my opinion are a poor way to set the bar for expectations. Personal expectations are of course different from the consensus expectations for a player from the hockey community.
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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM! Joined: 04.17.2012
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FWIW
Players I’d keep:
Hart
York
Farabee
Frost
Couturier
and anyone else drafted from 2019 on
Players I’d consider moving in the right deal:
Sanheim
Provorov
Konecny
Lindblom
Laughton
Atkinson
Ellis (if he ever gets healthy)
Player I’d move if he’s willing to go:
Giroux
Players I’d actively look to trade:
Braun
JVR
Jones
Risto
Hayes (if he ever gets healthy)
Player I’d bury in a swamp
Yandle
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Tomahawk
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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2022/23 Season hierarchy:
President of Hockey Ops - Fletcher
GM - Ray Shero/ Briere
Coach - Richard Tocchet - hello it's me 2050
WTF dude, I just ate. |
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You can be the worst team and still not get that #1 pick...Assuming Hayes..Couts..Ellis come back healthy next year dont see them being the worst team and dont see management allowing a full teardown. - hfc355
This will be the mantra to push forward. This what Chuck will sell to whoever he has to sell to
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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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Zone entries are piss poor and probably the biggest issue on the PP right now. Then it's a combination of slow puck movement and an inability to get shots through from the point. - aantny88
Exactly. Net front is the last thing to be concerned about.
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WTF dude, I just ate. - Tomahawk
Not impossible by any means
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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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I agree with him.
"The New York Rangers are playing well and are expected to be a buyer at the deadline. Former New York Rangers defenseman Tom Laidlaw said on our podcast this week that he thinks it would be better for the organization long-term to let this group sink or swim together. Laidlaw likes the Rangers’ chemistry. He believes they will learn from the experience. The only player he would add is a depth defenseman. Is he right or wrong?" |
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The reason they aren't scoring on the PP is not due to the net front player. They have major issues on the PP. Net front is not one of them. - MJL
They have major PP issues and one of the attributing factors to not scoring is the net front. Some guys even JVR have been really inconsistent in screening the opposing goalie. Some options maybe haven’t been large enough to do that effectively. Or strong enough to win battles for rebounds (not that there’s a ton of those). Some aren’t adept at deflections.
Have shot attempts on the PP gone down significantly this season? It certainly feels like it so where are the numbers for it… |
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funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine. Joined: 03.15.2009
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I believe it’s time to start posting fascinating pictures of sea creatures or microscopic creatures that live in and on our person. - mayorofangrytown
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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM! Joined: 04.17.2012
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2022/23 Season hierarchy:
President of Hockey Ops - Fletcher
GM - Ray Shero/ Briere
Coach - Richard Tocchet - hello it's me 2050
No thanks on Fletcher, Shero & Tocchet
Maybe on Briere |
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