I believe it’s time to start posting fascinating pictures of sea creatures or microscopic creatures that live in and on our person.
- mayorofangrytown

- funmaster18

That sort of looks like my penis if it had legs.
- PT21

Yours doesnt have legs?

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Like Nick Cage, I upgraded mine with wheels:
https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-16-2017/EsOjbd.gif

There are too many teams that did NOT do what you suggest is essential.
- PT21

Ottawa: it's more Eugene Melnyk than anything

Buffalo: Jeff Skinner, 8-years $72M

And they were forced to trade ROR because he was miserable/dragging ass and they didn't want to pay his looming bonus. Otherwise, he probably doesn't go anywhere.

Detroit didn't rip it to the studs intentionally. Their entire old core basically retired at the same time. Holland was still signing dudes like Nielsen, Green, Vanek and Daley during the transition period. They re-signed Jimmy Howard. They had a bunch of poop grinders signed to bad long term contracts. It was gross mismanagement, not some design to hand it over to the kids.

And even Yzerman brought in Marc Staal and just traded for Nick Leddy because somebody's gotta play defense.

Montreal: Montreal's got a number of vets signed long term. They haven't even started rebuilding yet.

Your points about Panarin: there is no evidence whatsoever that they wanted him for the #2 part. He is a playmaking stud who was setting up Kane when he arrived as an overaged rookie. His mentorship has little to do with it. A guy who chose his team apparently because his partner wants the bright lights of Mad Ave is hardly the kind of role model you want off the ice for your kids anyway.

There's plenty of ways to lead and mentor. Panarin's way is to the lead by example (typical Russian hockey workaholic) and to gift wrap pucks into dangerous areas for his young charges to slam home.

Injured his hand/wrist late in the game last night. Was getting it checked after the game so he was unavailable for postgame media. And the team didn't practice today.
- bmeltzer

Yeah, he was bent over at the end of the game w/ his glove off.

Giroux should net two high-tier assets if they can expand the # of suitors by mitigating the cap hit.

And yeah, Risto should command a top-45 pick at least. Flyers probably need to mitigate his cap hit, too.

Braun probably a top-90 pick. He's exactly the type of PO depth that teams covet at the TDL.

Jones, who knows. A team would really need to be convinced that he's reliable to take him over other options.
- Tomahawk

I would love those returns, but remember what happened when they tried to push Ghost on another team. We ended up paying them. GMs know they need to dump, so values isn't going to be great.

4. If you believe the Rangers were already shuffling pieces and in rebuild mode a couple of years into Gorton's reign, then Kreider would have less than 24 or so at that time.
- PT21

When did the Rangers send out the letter to their fans that they were going to rebuild?

Injured his hand/wrist late in the game last night. Was getting it checked after the game so he was unavailable for postgame media. And the team didn't practice today.
- bmeltzer

And when does Fletcher ask about the NMC

Have to wonder if it was his shoulder getting re-injured from Tuesday night. If so, he had no business playing last night.
- Bendecko

I smell a recurring injury coming , shoulderitis

Your evidence is what seems fishy. There are too many teams that did NOT do what you suggest is essential.

Here's the thing. There are 2 qualities of the player that you claim is essential to a rebuild

1. Current stud
2. Vet

If what you are saying is true, why don't we see Detroit wanting a Seth Jones? The only possible stud they had on their roster during rebuild was Larkin. He wasn't a vet. (They had non-stud vets sure). Why isn't Ottawa linked to any trade rumors with high profile FAs? Why did Buffalo trade ROR? Which stud vet is Montreal gonna bring in to mentor the Suzukis and Caulfield as they start their rebuild? I betcha: nobody.


- PT21

Does it really need to be explained that rebuilding teams don't go all in on high priced UFA's generally? There are exceptions such as the Rangers. Larkin is currently playing his 7th NHL season. How is he not a veteran?

Your points about Panarin: there is no evidence whatsoever that they wanted him for the #2 part. He is a playmaking stud who was setting up Kane when he arrived as an overaged rookie. His mentorship has little to do with it. A guy who chose his team apparently because his partner wants the bright lights of Mad Ave is hardly the kind of role model you want off the ice for your kids anyway.
- PT21

An elite player who makes other players around him better is exactly the kind of player you want playing with your younger players.

An elite player who makes other players around him better is exactly the kind of player you want playing with your younger players.
- MJL

Nah, play 'em w/ Mayhew and the ghost of JVR

Ottawa: it's more Eugene Melnyk than anything

Buffalo: Jeff Skinner, 8-years $72M

And they were forced to trade ROR because he was miserable/dragging ass and they didn't want to pay his looming bonus. Otherwise, he probably doesn't go anywhere.

Detroit didn't rip it to the studs intentionally. Their entire old core basically retired at the same time. Holland was still signing dudes like Nielsen, Green, Vanek and Daley during the transition period. They re-signed Jimmy Howard. They had a bunch of poop grinders signed to bad long term contracts. It was gross mismanagement, not some design to hand it over to the kids.

And even Yzerman brought in Marc Staal and just traded for Nick Leddy because somebody's gotta play defense.

Montreal: Montreal's got a number of vets signed long term. They haven't even started rebuilding yet.
- Tomahawk

Skinner: got the contract after a year of playing with Eichel and posting tremendous numbers. He was only 27 then. There is no evidence of the veteran part on that deal. He was signed to be a great fit on their 1st line.

No current studs then. (Det list, bold)

Staal past his prime. Leddy was a salary freeing favor to the Isles and probably gonna be traded for assets soon. No one in Det comparable to Couts situation.

There is another aspect to this: who exactly are these mentees of ours that need all this mentoring? York/Frost/Allison/Foerster? Why can't Hayes provide this mentorship? Some of these guys may not be more than depth players. Its not like there are brilliant buds in the garden, all waiting for the sun of Couturier's wisdom and ability to burst forth their amazing efflorescence, is there?

And if the mentees are the ones to come from future drafts, who the hell signs mentors to long term deals before the mentees are even here? Especially if the mentor's presence is going to be negatively correlated with the quality of future mentees (by adversely affecting draft position)?

Hope it's more then whispers that's the first key move to acquiring assets. I think he has had enough of this losing and knows it's not gonna turn around for years. Question is does he limit where he will go to if he waives.
- hfc355

I believe it is…
We all have to remember we are still in January. I would imagine he would provide a list since he does have a NMC. If I’m willing to be moved I want to have a chance to win. IMO

Does it really need to be explained that rebuilding teams don't go all in on high priced UFA's generally? There are exceptions such as the Rangers. Larkin is currently playing his 7th NHL season. How is he not a veteran?



An elite player who makes other players around him better is exactly the kind of player you want playing with your younger players.
- MJL

if someone is going to give you a huge haul for coots i would think you have to evaluate it, but he isnt someone i look to move just to move. if you go the rebuilding route, his contract shouldnt be overly onerous.

without speaking for PT, i know one of his reasons is to avoid the season standings points that coots will single handedly accumulate over a replacement level player. i know you and i dont see tanking exactly the same, and its impossible to view it in a complete vacuum, but what if it was somehow boiled down to coots remaining on the team being why the flyers miss out on bedard?

i do think you still need good veterans to some extent to insulate the young guys. its a tricky balance that requires a heck of a lot of luck/timing and there definitely isnt a one size fits all blueprint.

I believe it’s time to start posting fascinating pictures of sea creatures or microscopic creatures that live in and on our person.
- mayorofangrytown

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enypniastes (with more pics & a vid)

(RIP deadpoulet )

Skinner: got the contract after a year of playing with Eichel and posting tremendous numbers. He was only 27 then. There is no evidence of the veteran part on that deal. He was signed to be a great fit on their 1st line.

No current studs then. (Det list, bold)

Staal past his prime. Leddy was a salary freeing favor to the Isles and probably gonna be traded for assets soon. No one in Det comparable to Couts situation.


- PT21

Of course, why would a team sign a player who didn't have good numbers to a big contract. You claimed that rebuilding teams don't sign veteran studs. You've been proven wrong multiple times.
Not every veteran brought in for stability is a stud. You've attempted to limit to scope to try and rescue your flawed opinion.

There is another aspect to this: who exactly are these mentees of ours that need all this mentoring? York/Frost/Allison/Foerster? Why can't Hayes provide this mentorship? Some of these guys may not be more than depth players. Its not like there are brilliant buds in the garden, all waiting for the sun of Couturier's wisdom and ability to burst forth their amazing efflorescence, is there?

And if the mentees are the ones to come from future drafts, who the hell signs mentors to long term deals before the mentees are even here? Especially if the mentor's presence is going to be negatively correlated with the quality of future mentees (by adversely affecting draft position)?
- PT21

Hayes is not the player that Couturier is and is not suitable for a #1 center role.

Skinner: got the contract after a year of playing with Eichel and posting tremendous numbers. He was only 27 then. There is no evidence of the veteran part on that deal. He was signed to be a great fit on their 1st line.

No current studs then. (Det list, bold)

Staal past his prime. Leddy was a salary freeing favor to the Isles and probably gonna be traded for assets soon. No one in Det comparable to Couts situation.

There is another aspect to this: who exactly are these mentees of ours that need all this mentoring? York/Frost/Allison/Foerster? Why can't Hayes provide this mentorship? Some of these guys may not be more than depth players. Its not like there are brilliant buds in the garden, all waiting for the sun of Couturier's wisdom and ability to burst forth their amazing efflorescence, is there?

And if the mentees are the ones to come from future drafts, who the hell signs mentors to long term deals before the mentees are even here? Especially if the mentor's presence is going to be negatively correlated with the quality of future mentees (by adversely affecting draft position)?
- PT21

beat me to it

“Penn Medicine named official Health System of Philadelphia Flyer’s” 1/13/2020

I’m trying to decide if Penn being publicly associated to the failed surgeries and recoveries of players is worse for them than it has been for the Flyers who have suffered in the standings and loss of playing time by choosing this group to be in charge of their healthcare.
- Shrike

Penn Med is a behemoth. Some parts are top notch. Some parts are meh.

You might be aware: there was tremendous consolidation in the Philly health market about 10-15 years ago. Penn Med brought up essentially everything, and Jefferson and Hahneman tried to keep up. The first especially is a gigantic health presence in the area. The southern (med school) part of the university campus has grown and grown till it dwarfs the main campus.

Sports medicine does not attract the best guys in medicine. More of the razzle dazzle guys. Booth-Bartolozzi-Balderston were for years the Birds surgeons, and ofc Penn bought them. Dorshimer was for years the Flyers doc, and ofc Penn bought him.

Only in America would you have a sports broadcast be sponsored by a hospital chain and have ads and billboards which direct you to the hospital complex.

Mercenary, morbid and macabre.

I believe it is…
We all have to remember we are still in January. I would imagine he would provide a list since he does have a NMC. If I’m willing to be moved I want to have a chance to win. IMO
- phi1671

Well it certainly will be to a team heading to the playoffs the question is how much he will limit the number of teams he will go to. I expect it to be East coast teams only

Do not want ex selke mentoring anyone. He is part of this losing environment. This acceptance of losing.

if someone is going to give you a huge haul for coots i would think you have to evaluate it, but he isnt someone i look to move just to move. if you go the rebuilding route, his contract shouldnt be overly onerous.

without speaking for PT, i know one of his reasons is to avoid the season standings points that coots will single handedly accumulate over a replacement level player. i know you and i dont see tanking exactly the same, and its impossible to view it in a complete vacuum, but what if it was somehow boiled down to coots remaining on the team being why the flyers miss out on bedard?

i do think you still need good veterans to some extent to insulate the young guys. its a tricky balance that requires a heck of a lot of luck/timing and there definitely isnt a one size fits all blueprint.
- stayinthefnnet

You nailed my position with that hypothetical.

And yes, exactly. This guy Couturier is a draft position destroyer. Just the mins he plays and how he dominates possession. And now add in the fact you have contracts like Hayes and so on already. If all are healthy, how the hell are you going to get high picks? That's a pre-punched ticket to destination bubble team whatever else happens.

Skinner: got the contract after a year of playing with Eichel and posting tremendous numbers. He was only 27 then. There is no evidence of the veteran part on that deal. He was signed to be a great fit on their 1st line.

No current studs then. (Det list, bold)

Staal past his prime. Leddy was a salary freeing favor to the Isles and probably gonna be traded for assets soon. No one in Det comparable to Couts situation.

There is another aspect to this: who exactly are these mentees of ours that need all this mentoring? York/Frost/Allison/Foerster? Why can't Hayes provide this mentorship? Some of these guys may not be more than depth players. Its not like there are brilliant buds in the garden, all waiting for the sun of Couturier's wisdom and ability to burst forth their amazing efflorescence, is there?

And if the mentees are the ones to come from future drafts, who the hell signs mentors to long term deals before the mentees are even here? Especially if the mentor's presence is going to be negatively correlated with the quality of future mentees (by adversely affecting draft position)?
- PT21

Coots is here, he's under contract, he wants to be here. Might as well keep him to soak up minutes and shield the kids a bit.

Other teams simply didn't have that luxury. Or they did (ROR, Stone) but the player didn't wanna stick around for the rebuild. Or they're like Montreal and they (frank)ed the cap up so bad they let their guy slip away (Danault).

LA has both Kopi and Danault now... is their rebuild (frank)ed?


And I dunno what's with this weird poop about mentors and mentees you keep going on about. I'm just talking about guys picking up the big minutes so the kids don't get reamed..

You've attempted to limit to scope to try and rescue your flawed opinion.
- MJL

This seems to be a thing with him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enypniastes (with more pics & a vid)

(RIP deadpoulet )
- Bendecko

Definitely does not resemble my penis.

Giroux should net two high-tier assets if they can expand the # of suitors by mitigating the cap hit.

And yeah, Risto should command a top-45 pick at least. Flyers probably need to mitigate his cap hit, too.

Braun probably a top-90 pick. He's exactly the type of PO depth that teams covet at the TDL.

Jones, who knows. A team would really need to be convinced that he's reliable to take him over other options.
- Tomahawk

i can see edmonton or colorado wanting jones

Coots is here, he's under contract, he wants to be here. Might as well keep him to soak up minutes and shield the kids a bit.

Other teams simply didn't have that luxury. Or they did (ROR, Stone) but the player didn't wanna stick around for the rebuild. Or they're like Montreal and they (frank)ed the cap up so bad they let their guy slip away (Danault).

LA has both Kopi and Danault now... is their rebuild (frank)ed?


And I dunno what's with this weird poop about mentors and mentees you keep going on about. I'm just talking about guys picking up the big minutes so the kids don't get reamed..
- Tomahawk

Then build around him, dont half ass it like the prior GM.

Do not want ex selke mentoring anyone. He is part of this losing environment. This acceptance of losing.
- hello it's me 2050

guess we better trade for crosby or toews