Well, they had a bedrock level of inelastic financial support they could count on. That allowed them to take the risk from a $ perspective.

Since 2015, almost everyone they signed was <25. Almost everyone they let go was >25. The correlation with age is quite striking once you look at the total list of guys departing and coming in during the Gorton era.

With salary cap freed up, they signed a few stars and took on a few prospects.

They got lucky.

The last however is not a passive thing. They were looking for luck. They sold their house to start that venture that panned out.

I think their infamous letter often clouds perspective. That letter pertains to Kakko and Alex L. They expected their rebuild to last longer. They did not expect the first few steps to yield results so soon.
- PT21

Two of their biggest acquisitions were 25 plus. Trouba and Panarin. They kept Kreider. They had other vets to help for parts of their rebuild along the way including Marc Staal, Kevin Shattenkirk, Brendan Smith, Adam McQuaid, Vladislav Namestikov, even King Lundqvist. They gradually moved out the older players over time. They didn't just wholesale dump every player over 25 instantly.

Some also don't understand that the Rangers rebuild has been going on for 6 years or so. If they didn't get fortunate with Panarin and Fox, they wouldn't be where they are today. Unless the Flyers get fortunate with some draft picks, the Flyers, if they even try and truly rebuild are looking at 5 years or more.

i agree with this. they had a lot of the economic resources you touched on and definitely lucked out. which is why i dont think they are a great comparable when people are like oh just do it and rebuild already.

but to me, they conducted their business where winning in the here and now was a clear backseat to the future. im not speaking to the players out there/the coaches trying etc, but organizationally, the main objective at that moment in time is for the future with winning games a secondary priority.
- stayinthefnnet

I agree. They had a team that was plateauing, but was still a playoff team. They gutted that team.

It is true that they emerged quicker than expected and can be reasonably replicated, but if you separate result from intent, the intent clearly was very unconservative and risk-taking and they were prepared for a longer haul than turned out. I think the financial thing of course allowed them to go that way.

Technically, I didn't guess at all, so it was you who actually guessed wrong... twice
- Bendecko

Twice ? Now I feel shame.

I agree. They had a team that was plateauing, but was still a playoff team. They gutted that team.

It is true that they emerged quicker than expected and can be reasonably replicated, but if you separate result from intent, the intent clearly was very unconservative and risk-taking and they were prepared for a longer haul than turned out. I think the financial thing of course allowed them to go that way.
- PT21

definite risk there. they got lucky for sure, but they still deserve credit for taking the plunge without the foresight that it would be such a painless turnaround.

How exactly does a headless poulet use its head?
- PT21

It doesn't have to. A deadpoulet is dead, headless or not.

Just found out that Farabee is now out for a month. Are all these guys made of glass? I was listening to the NHL Network on Sirius/XM this afternoon and they were talking about how much of a rudderless ship the Flyers are. They also mentioned that the hapless Flyers have won 7 out of their last 30 games. I knew it has been bad, but I had no idea it has been that bad. WTF!!! They very well may be the worst team in the league as currently constructed.
- Phillywhiteout

But you will be watching them tomorrow, in spite of the schtick.

Twice ? Now I feel shame.
- Angus4444

Only for two minutes, by yourself, you know. And then you get free.

definite risk there. they got lucky for sure, but they still deserve credit for taking the plunge without the foresight that it would be such a painless turnaround.
- stayinthefnnet

Right. They do deserve credit for exactly that. The money ofc, always helps.

After James Watson and Francis Crick discovered DNA, in one of the many rock-star like press conferences Watson said (paraphrase): "It is true we struck gold. But we were looking for gold."

Rangers were looking for gold. Flyers have become used to looking for bronze.

Right. They do deserve credit for exactly that. The money ofc, always helps.

After James Watson and Francis Crick discovered DNA, in one of the many rock-star like press conferences Watson said (paraphrase): "It is true we struck gold. But we were looking for gold."

Rangers were looking for gold. Flyers have become used to looking for bronze.
- PT21

because they still turn a tidy profit pushing said bronze.

But you will be watching them tomorrow, in spite of the schtick.
- Bendecko

Nope, gonna actually be playing pond hockey tomorrow on a local pond there dingbat!! And the game will probably be much more exciting than the sad sack snooze alert Flyers!!

because they still turn a tidy profit pushing said bronze.
- stayinthefnnet

Exactly.

Most of sports results can be understood by studying underlying monetary motivations, but most of sports analysis never goes that way.

It doesn't have to. A deadpoulet is dead, headless or not.
- Bendecko

Depends on the perspective. If the dead poulet doesn't know it's dead, is it dead?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1480932023929823244

because they still turn a tidy profit pushing said bronze.
- stayinthefnnet

I think a routine mistake made is separating the corporate ownership and the hockey department management. I think corporate management cares about the bottom line. I think the Flyers hockey department absolutely wants to win. They aren't looking for bronze because of monetary reasons. They actually think they're looking for gold. The issue is they don't know how to look for gold. The methods they used to use to look for gold don't work anymore. They have failed to modernize the operation.

Exactly.

Most of sports results can be understood by studying underlying monetary motivations, but most of sports analysis never goes that way.
- PT21

because most of life results can be understood by studying that, and sports is supposed to be an escape from the weariness of that permeating reality. you arent wrong though.

Well, they had a bedrock level of inelastic financial support they could count on. That allowed them to take the risk from a $ perspective.

Since 2015, almost everyone they signed was <25. Almost everyone they let go was >25. The correlation with age is quite striking once you look at the total list of guys departing and coming in during the Gorton era.

With salary cap freed up, they signed a few stars and took on a few prospects.

They got lucky.

The last however is not a passive thing. They were looking for luck. They sold their house to start that venture that panned out.

I think their infamous letter often clouds perspective. That letter pertains to Kakko and Alex L. They expected their rebuild to last longer. They did not expect the first few steps to yield results so soon.
- PT21

How does inelastic finances help when everyone has to deal with the same Cap...fact is they put their team together and are still 6M under the Cap now

How does inelastic finances help when everyone has to deal with the same Cap...fact is they put their team together and are still 6M under the Cap now
- hfc355

cap requirements and the financial realities/self imposed constraints of teams and their powers that be are very different things

Depends on the perspective. If the dead poulet doesn't know it's dead, is it dead?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1480932023929823244
- PT21

(RIP deadpoulet )

There was a time this year, a stretch of about 10 games, where Risto was far and away the Flyers best defenseman. He may still be given how bad everyone except York is playing, especially your boy Provorov. And as far as MacEwen, I am well in the majority of opinions that believe he has made a positive impact on this team and many would like to see him stay with the Flyers next year. Instead of immersing yourself in 4th line possession metrics, spend some time actually watching him play. He is a 4th line energy guy, nothing more, but he does a good job with it for the most part.
- jd250

That never happened

How does inelastic finances help when everyone has to deal with the same Cap...fact is they put their team together and are still 6M under the Cap now
- hfc355

I've been watching some of the Rags games and they really haven't been playing that good. Their goalie has been saving their arses(I ain't gonna try to spell his name) big time. In fact, there are some folks that think the Rags goalie should be considered for the Hart trophy up to this point in the season.

because most of life results can be understood by studying that, and sports is supposed to be an escape from the weariness of that permeating reality. you arent wrong though.
- stayinthefnnet

I get what you are saying (we are having an agree-orgy over here btw, the two of us), but I am talking about people who seriously devote brain-power and energy to analytics, stats, discussion, etc. Not couch potatoes opening up the game on the tube and lapping up whatever comes their way.

For the former, if you are doing the analysis anyway, why not devote it more efficiently? I believe that the former greats of Flyers hockey who get so much flak here for their senior (senile) advising are performing puppets, their strings pulled by a savvy corporate puppeteer who has set the stage for where they dance and benefits from their performance.

I've been watching some of the Rags games and they really haven't been playing that good. Their goalie has been saving their arses(I ain't gonna try to spell his name) big time. In fact, there are some folks that think the Rags goalie should be considered for the Hart trophy up to this point in the season.
- Phillywhiteout

Wrong goalie...they are playing their backup tonite

I've been watching some of the Rags games and they really haven't been playing that good. Their goalie has been saving their arses(I ain't gonna try to spell his name) big time. In fact, there are some folks that think the Rags goalie should be considered for the Hart trophy up to this point in the season.
- Phillywhiteout

The season has a long way to go and they have time to grow as a team. However as a team there are a lot statistical red flags. They're the worst possession team in the league. They have a 50% share of goals at 5 on 5 and they bleed scoring chances. They have the worst xGF% in the league. This is why I think they aren't quite ready this year and why I think they should refrain from moving top picks at the deadline.

cap requirements and the financial realities/self imposed constraints of teams and their powers that be are very different things
- stayinthefnnet

Most teams are right up against the Cap and spend the same amount of money on their roster

Wrong goalie...they are playing their backup tonite
- hfc355

He wasn't talking about tonight's game.

He wasn't talking about tonight's game.
- MJL

Thanks, no I wasn't talking about tonight's game.