We could go lower
- 2Real

I wonder how that's accounting for any of the various restrictions.

For example (not an actual case), if attendance at the WFC was limited to 50% capacity at one point, is the actual attendance a % of 8733 or 17466?

Also, if there was no attendance, as it was in Montreal before Christmas, is that counted at 0% for that game, 100%, or just not factored into the average at all?

I wonder how that's accounting for any of the various restrictions.

For example (not an actual case), if attendance at the WFC was limited to 50% capacity at one point, is the actual attendance a % of 8733 or 17466?



Also, if there was no attendance, as it was in Montreal before Christmas, is that counted at 0% for that game, 100%, or just not factored into the average at all?
- Bendecko

Latter for both. Look at 20-21 figures and you will see.

I wonder how that's accounting for any of the various restrictions.

For example (not an actual case), if attendance at the WFC was limited to 50% capacity at one point, is the actual attendance a % of 8733 or 17466?

Also, if there was no attendance, as it was in Montreal before Christmas, is that counted at 0% for that game, 100%, or just not factored into the average at all?
- Bendecko

it's probably based on max attendance of the arena

It cannot be easy slogging through organic chemistry in middle age when one has other options.

Respect.
- PT21

Im done with orgo and all my heavy lifting science classes. Although, my fundementals of genomic evolutionary medicine sucks ass

Im done with orgo and all my heavy lifting science classes. Although, my fundementals of genomic evolutionary medicine sucks ass
- THE BLACK HAND

Hey, look. Someone admitting they’re not a scientist on the internet in an age where everyone acts like an expert.

You’re a unicorn.

PA is a good gig, though. Especially if you can write a scrip. Congrats. Changing your life midway through is an uphill battle, but it sounds like it’s working out.

So I have been thinking long and hard about this, and I have come to the conclusion that Chuck Fletcher is not going to recover from this debacle of a season. Two 10 game losing streaks in the first 40 games is not only very hard for a team to get over, but also a front office. However firing Fletcher now would be a mistake because anyone you bring in is going to have to have an assessment period and that is just going to delay things further. So I believe the next best thing is to bring in more outside voices to compliment the voices we have now, so here is my 10 point plan to retool the Flyers and get them ready to contend in 2023-2024.

1. Move Fletcher to President of hockey Operations only (same job as Jeff Gorton has with Montreal)
2. Hire Stacey Reost as your GM. Stacy comes from Tampa where he is the assistant GM and director of player development. Clearly Tampa knows how to draft and develop players, so adding this voice will address some obvious gaps in the Flyers leadership.
3. Keep Brent Flahr as assistant GM and director of player scouting. Brent has shown to be a very good drafter.
4. Hire Lane Lambert as your new head coach this off season. He has worked with Barry Trotz since his Nashville days, so he knows Trotz's system well, a system that has been proven to win in the NHL. Lane has been an assistant for a long time and is chomping at the bit to be a head coach, he has earned a chance.
5. This year at the deadline trade G, Risto, JVR, Braun and Martin Jones. This should net the team a 2 1st round picks, a second round pick, two 3rd round picks and maybe a prospect or two.
6. Get into the top 5 of this year's draft and draft the center Lambert from Finland, who had 5 points in 2 games at the WJCs.
7. Play the kids next year, I mean everyone that can play in our system, including Foerster, O'Brien (what a move he made last night in OT, goalie made a great stop), Frost, York, Zamula, Allison, Ratcliff, Sandstrom, etc. We must see what we have in these players and do a proper evaluation.
8. Sign a few depth veterans, but for the most part stay away from any major free agents.
9. Plan on drafting in the top 10 next year in a very deep draft. Get another young, highly skilled player.
10. Hopefully have a season with a healthy Ellis, Couts and Hayes, start rebuilding the psyche of this team and franchise.

Have at it, I'm sure you will all hate it, but this is my specific plan on how I would proceed to rebuild this front office and team if I were running the Flyers.

So I have been thinking long and hard about this, and I have come to the conclusion that Chuck Fletcher is not going to recover from this debacle of a season. Two 10 game losing streaks in the first 40 games is not only very hard for a team to get over, but also a front office. However firing Fletcher now would be a mistake because anyone you bring in is going to have to have an assessment period and that is just going to delay things further. So I believe the next best thing is to bring in more outside voices to compliment the voices we have now, so here is my 10 point plan to be retooled and ready to contend in 2023-2024.

1. Move Fletcher to President of hockey Operations only (same job as Jeff Gorton has with Montreal)
2. Hire Stacey Reost as your GM. Stacy comes from Tampa where he is the assistant GM and director of player development. Clearly Tampa knows how to draft and develop players, so adding this voice will address some obvious gaps in the Flyers leadership.
3. Keep Brent Flahr as assistant GM and director of player scouting. Brent has shown to be a very good drafter.
4. Hire Lane Lambert as your new head coach this off season. He has worked with Barry Trotz since his Nashville days, so he knows Trotz's system well, a system that has been proven to win in the NHL. Lane has been an assistant for a long time and is chomping at the bit to be a head coach, he has earned a chance.
5. This year at the deadline trade G, Risto, JVR, Braun and Martin Jones. This should net the team a 2 1st round picks, a second round pick, two 3rd round picks and maybe a prospect or two.
6. Get into the top 5 of this year's draft and draft the center Lambert from Finland, who had 5 points in 2 games at the WJCs.
7. Play the kids next year, I mean everyone that can play in our system, including Foerster, O'Brien (what a move he made last night in OT, goalie made a great stop), Frost, York, Zamula, Allison, Ratcliff, Sandstrom, etc. We must see what we have in these players and do a proper evaluation.
8. Sign a few depth veterans, but for the most part stay away from any major free agents.
9. Plan on drafting in the top 10 next year in a very deep draft. Get another young, highly skilled player.
10. Hopefully have a season with a healthy Ellis, Couts and Hayes, start rebuilding the pysche of this team and franchise.

Have at it, I'm sure you will all hate it, but this is my specific plan on how I would proceed to rebuild this front office and team if I were running the Flyers.
- jd250

If they’re making changes, I don’t want fletcher in any role. Send him packing even if it upsets Clarke and bring someone new in. I really don’t want Scott involved either so I’m not sure who makes the hire. I’d rather any of the posters on here make that call.

Further, I really like Paul Maurice as a coach but I want to look closer at how young players have done on his watches. He may not be the guy who pushes the needle. I’m open to someone outside the org with a proven track record in the minors perhaps.

If we get blown out by the buffa slugs today who have lost 9 of 11 I wonder if anything gets done?

So I have been thinking long and hard about this, and I have come to the conclusion that Chuck Fletcher is not going to recover from this debacle of a season. Two 10 game losing streaks in the first 40 games is not only very hard for a team to get over, but also a front office. However firing Fletcher now would be a mistake because anyone you bring in is going to have to have an assessment period and that is just going to delay things further. So I believe the next best thing is to bring in more outside voices to compliment the voices we have now, so here is my 10 point plan to retool the Flyers and get them ready to contend in 2023-2024.

1. Move Fletcher to President of hockey Operations only (same job as Jeff Gorton has with Montreal)
2. Hire Stacey Reost as your GM. Stacy comes from Tampa where he is the assistant GM and director of player development. Clearly Tampa knows how to draft and develop players, so adding this voice will address some obvious gaps in the Flyers leadership.
3. Keep Brent Flahr as assistant GM and director of player scouting. Brent has shown to be a very good drafter.
4. Hire Lane Lambert as your new head coach this off season. He has worked with Barry Trotz since his Nashville days, so he knows Trotz's system well, a system that has been proven to win in the NHL. Lane has been an assistant for a long time and is chomping at the bit to be a head coach, he has earned a chance.
5. This year at the deadline trade G, Risto, JVR, Braun and Martin Jones. This should net the team a 2 1st round picks, a second round pick, two 3rd round picks and maybe a prospect or two.
6. Get into the top 5 of this year's draft and draft the center Lambert from Finland, who had 5 points in 2 games at the WJCs.
7. Play the kids next year, I mean everyone that can play in our system, including Foerster, O'Brien (what a move he made last night in OT, goalie made a great stop), Frost, York, Zamula, Allison, Ratcliff, Sandstrom, etc. We must see what we have in these players and do a proper evaluation.
8. Sign a few depth veterans, but for the most part stay away from any major free agents.
9. Plan on drafting in the top 10 next year in a very deep draft. Get another young, highly skilled player.
10. Hopefully have a season with a healthy Ellis, Couts and Hayes, start rebuilding the psyche of this team and franchise.

Have at it, I'm sure you will all hate it, but this is my specific plan on how I would proceed to rebuild this front office and team if I were running the Flyers.
- jd250

So you state that firing Fletcher now is not a good idea because whoever you hire is going to need an assessment period. I disagree on a number of points. It would not take any competent hockey professional long to assess this situation. Why would whoever you bring in not have to take the same amount of time at that point? If that person is going to need time, why not bring him in now to where he has the rest of the season. Then I read Fletcher is going to be President of Hockey operations and I stopped reading then. Any plan suggesting that is not worth reading further.

If they’re making changes, I don’t want fletcher in any role. Send him packing even if it upsets Clarke and bring someone new in. I really don’t want Scott involved either so I’m not sure who makes the hire. I’d rather any of the posters on here make that call.

Further, I really like Paul Maurice as a coach but I want to look closer at how young players have done on his watches. He may not be the guy who pushes the needle. I’m open to someone outside the org with a proven track record in the minors perhaps.

If we get blown out by the buffa slugs today who have lost 9 of 11 I wonder if anything gets done?
- Hextall271

Agreed. Any plan involving Fletcher is a dunce.

So you state that firing Fletcher now is not a good idea because whoever you hire is going to need an assessment period. I disagree on a number of points. It would not take any competent hockey professional long to assess this situation. Why would whoever you bring in not have to take the same amount of time at that point? If that person is going to need time, why not bring him in now to where he has the rest of the season. Then I read Fletcher is going to be President of Hockey operations and I stopped reading then. Any plan suggesting that is not worth reading further.
- MJL

Ok, say you fire Fletcher all together, Flahr goes with him obviously, so now you are at square one, no President, no GM, no draft leader, no player development, no coaches. The time it takes to hire the President of hockey Operations, and then for that person to hire their GM and for that GM to build out his staff and then hire coaches, you would have missed the deadline and probably missed the off season opportunities. That is why I think you keep Fletcher but you bring in a GM to add another voice, another perspective to the mix, but we keep continuity enough to move forward now and not wait. That's just my opinion.

If they’re making changes, I don’t want fletcher in any role. Send him packing even if it upsets Clarke and bring someone new in. I really don’t want Scott involved either so I’m not sure who makes the hire. I’d rather any of the posters on here make that call.

Further, I really like Paul Maurice as a coach but I want to look closer at how young players have done on his watches. He may not be the guy who pushes the needle. I’m open to someone outside the org with a proven track record in the minors perhaps.

If we get blown out by the buffa slugs today who have lost 9 of 11 I wonder if anything gets done?
- Hextall271

I am not a fan of Paul Maurice as a coach, not at all. He has been nothing more than a .500 coach his entire career and both his stints with Carolina and Winnipeg were 5 years too long IMO.

Agreed. Any plan involving Fletcher is a dunce.
- MJL

As mentioned. If Dave Scott is the guy hiring, it’s still a problem to me. So how in gods name do we move forward here?

I felt that fletchers moves were rational but they haven’t worked obviously. To the point of ridiculous failure. That really needs to cost him his job. I mean even when av was canned he left one of his disciples in charge. Now they’re rolling with the same plan and two unqualified assistants. When you can av, you make sure that you have a plan to bring someone else in with perhaps a different set of eyes. Along with competent assistants. The av firing was for optics only and perhaps to see a short spike of improvement. We’re back tk where we were.

The more I peel back the layers on this onion of incompetence, the more it infuriates me.

Ok, say you fire Fletcher all together, Flahr goes with him obviously, so now you are at square one, no President, no GM, no draft leader, no player development, no coaches. The time it takes to hire the President of hockey Operations, and then for that person to hire their GM and for that GM to build out his staff and then hire coaches, you would have missed the deadline and probably missed the off season opportunities. That is why I think you keep Fletcher but you bring in a GM to add another voice, another perspective to the mix, but we keep continuity enough to move forward now and not wait. That's just my opinion.
- jd250

So you can fire a coach and hire an interim coach but you can't fire a GM and hire an interim GM? To be clear, I'm not advocating for firing Fletcher right now but I just disagree with your reasoning why you can't. What justification on earth could you give that Fletcher should be the President of Hockey operations?

As mentioned. If Dave Scott is the guy hiring, it’s still a problem to me. So how in gods name do we move forward here?

I felt that fletchers moves were rational but they haven’t worked obviously. To the point of ridiculous failure. That really needs to cost him his job. I mean even when av was canned he left one of his disciples in charge. Now they’re rolling with the same plan and two unqualified assistants. When you can av, you make sure that you have a plan to bring someone else in with perhaps a different set of eyes. Along with competent assistants. The av firing was for optics only and perhaps to see a short spike of improvement. We’re back tk where we were.

The more I peel back the layers on this onion of incompetence, the more it infuriates me.
- Hextall271

In my opinion the Ellis and Ristolainen acquisitions were flat out incompetence. IF Scott is still involved, it doesn't bode well for Flyers fans. Like you said, who is doing the hiring?

Agreed. Any plan involving Fletcher is a dunce.
- MJL

Have to agree here. Fletcher has a terrible track record and needs to be shown the door. If Clarke don't like it he can go back to Flin Flon!!

I am not a fan of Paul Maurice as a coach, not at all. He has been nothing more than a .500 coach his entire career and both his stints with Carolina and Winnipeg were 5 years too long IMO.
- jd250

I’d take him over what we have now.

Further, the issue with leaving fletch in is that he’s going to make the trades this TDL. Not good.

I'm just kind of phissing into the wind here, but would anyone be open to trading Hart to Edmonton? They are badly in need of a goalie and they would probably give the Flyers a king's ransom. I mean, at this rate the kid is going to be ruined here anyway. This could really upset the apple cart and this apple cart needs upsetting in the worst way!!

So I have been thinking long and hard about this, and I have come to the conclusion that Chuck Fletcher is not going to recover from this debacle of a season. Two 10 game losing streaks in the first 40 games is not only very hard for a team to get over, but also a front office. However firing Fletcher now would be a mistake because anyone you bring in is going to have to have an assessment period and that is just going to delay things further. So I believe the next best thing is to bring in more outside voices to compliment the voices we have now, so here is my 10 point plan to retool the Flyers and get them ready to contend in 2023-2024.

1. Move Fletcher to President of hockey Operations only (same job as Jeff Gorton has with Montreal)
2. Hire Stacey Reost as your GM. Stacy comes from Tampa where he is the assistant GM and director of player development. Clearly Tampa knows how to draft and develop players, so adding this voice will address some obvious gaps in the Flyers leadership.
3. Keep Brent Flahr as assistant GM and director of player scouting. Brent has shown to be a very good drafter.
4. Hire Lane Lambert as your new head coach this off season. He has worked with Barry Trotz since his Nashville days, so he knows Trotz's system well, a system that has been proven to win in the NHL. Lane has been an assistant for a long time and is chomping at the bit to be a head coach, he has earned a chance.
5. This year at the deadline trade G, Risto, JVR, Braun and Martin Jones. This should net the team a 2 1st round picks, a second round pick, two 3rd round picks and maybe a prospect or two.
6. Get into the top 5 of this year's draft and draft the center Lambert from Finland, who had 5 points in 2 games at the WJCs.
7. Play the kids next year, I mean everyone that can play in our system, including Foerster, O'Brien (what a move he made last night in OT, goalie made a great stop), Frost, York, Zamula, Allison, Ratcliff, Sandstrom, etc. We must see what we have in these players and do a proper evaluation.
8. Sign a few depth veterans, but for the most part stay away from any major free agents.
9. Plan on drafting in the top 10 next year in a very deep draft. Get another young, highly skilled player.
10. Hopefully have a season with a healthy Ellis, Couts and Hayes, start rebuilding the psyche of this team and franchise.

Have at it, I'm sure you will all hate it, but this is my specific plan on how I would proceed to rebuild this front office and team if I were running the Flyers.
- jd250

Some good points, some things that might actually happen and some things I’m not on board with. I mentioned a while ago about a typical Flyers move would be to bump Fletcher upstairs…I think that might happen although I’m not sure it’s very smart, although as one poster with some decent inside perspective suggests Fletcher is very well liked and respected.
The draft pick will depend on the lottery balls. As far as the GM search to replace Fletcher I hope they do what MTL did and interview a whole bunch of guys instead of just settling on one guy.
I think Fletch should try and deal as many guys as possible at the TDL…. But I still wonder if he still thinks without the injuries that the Flyers are closer then what they are.

So you can fire a coach and hire an interim coach but you can't fire a GM and hire an interim GM? To be clear, I'm not advocating for firing Fletcher right now but I just disagree with your reasoning why you can't. What justification on earth could you give that Fletcher should be the President of Hockey operations?
- MJL

The justification is President of hockey operations is a nothing job. The real decisions are made by the GM and head coach, and as you can see in my plan I am bringing in 2 outside voices, one from Tampa and the other from Trotz's coaching tree. I think Fletcher is a god guy and is as good as anyone as President, but I want a new voice for GM and head coach. Again, just my opinion.

And I think its a cop out to say I don't like Fletcher so therefore I'm not going to read the rest. I think I have some good ideas in my plan that have some merit.

Some good points, some things that might actually happen and some things I’m not on board with. I mentioned a while ago about a typical Flyers move would be to bump Fletcher upstairs…I think that might happen although I’m not sure it’s very smart, although as one poster with some decent inside perspective suggests Fletcher is very well liked and respected.
The draft pick will depend on the lottery balls. As far as the GM search to replace Fletcher I hope they do what MTL did and interview a whole bunch of guys instead of just settling on one guy.
I think Fletch should try and deal as many guys as possible at the TDL…. But I still wonder if he still thinks without the injuries that the Flyers are closer then what they are.
- landros 2

How has it worked when they bumped Homer upstairs. I think the result would be similar and that's not good. They really need to clean house with upper management cause this organization is poorly run and that starts at the top.

Some good points, some things that might actually happen and some things I’m not on board with. I mentioned a while ago about a typical Flyers move would be to bump Fletcher upstairs…I think that might happen although I’m not sure it’s very smart, although as one poster with some decent inside perspective suggests Fletcher is very well liked and respected.
The draft pick will depend on the lottery balls. As far as the GM search to replace Fletcher I hope they do what MTL did and interview a whole bunch of guys instead of just settling on one guy.
I think Fletch should try and deal as many guys as possible at the TDL…. But I still wonder if he still thinks without the injuries that the Flyers are closer then what they are.
- landros 2

Thank you! I do believe Fletcher is well liked and respected in the hockey world, and would be fine as President. I agree obviously we should bring in multiple candidates for GM, and one of them should be Stacy Roest!

As mentioned. If Dave Scott is the guy hiring, it’s still a problem to me. So how in gods name do we move forward here?

I felt that fletchers moves were rational but they haven’t worked obviously. To the point of ridiculous failure. That really needs to cost him his job. I mean even when av was canned he left one of his disciples in charge. Now they’re rolling with the same plan and two unqualified assistants. When you can av, you make sure that you have a plan to bring someone else in with perhaps a different set of eyes. Along with competent assistants. The av firing was for optics only and perhaps to see a short spike of improvement. We’re back tk where we were.

The more I peel back the layers on this onion of incompetence, the more it infuriates me.
- Hextall271

I honestly think Scott uses the likes of Holmgren and Clarke to make hockey decisions like that. That’s where the Senior advisors roles play a key role. I’m honestly hoping that they move out all the insiders and focus on some young talented exec’s from the outside. The Flyers need a fresh look, a fresh approach. I think they have a decent amount of assets already but need to load up on picks over the next couple of drafts.

How has it worked when they bumped Homer upstairs. I think the result would be similar and that's not good. They really need to clean house with upper management cause this organization is poorly run and that starts at the top.
- Phillywhiteout

That’s why I said I’m not sure it’s very smart.

In my opinion the Ellis and Ristolainen acquisitions were flat out incompetence. IF Scott is still involved, it doesn't bode well for Flyers fans. Like you said, who is doing the hiring?
- MJL

So what happens when Ellis comes back from injury and he is the one of the best defenseman in the league again, are you going to back track this statement or double down that the trade was still bad? Are the Flyers missing Myers or Patrick right now?

I'm just kind of phissing into the wind here, but would anyone be open to trading Hart to Edmonton? They are badly in need of a goalie and they would probably give the Flyers a king's ransom. I mean, at this rate the kid is going to be ruined here anyway. This could really upset the apple cart and this apple cart needs upsetting in the worst way!!
- Phillywhiteout

I would have to know what the Kings ransom is. They aren't trading us McDavid or Draisatl. I don't know their prospects to comment on that.