lol I'm all for honoring and respecting alumni but it should be in the museum/hof, not in management anymore.
- Scoob

Flyers are 1-7-3 (31st) since Couturier's last game on 12/18.
- Feanor

I would trade Coots also, if we are going to blow this thing up lets do it right. Plus the assets we could acquire would help to speed up the rebuild we need.

1st, 2nd, Top prospect, and roster player would be my start.


Just think how many teams would be interested, probably all of them.

Again, it all comes down to a lack of talent..period. When was the last time we as a Flyers fan base — win or lose — had players like a Clarke, Barber, Kerr, Howe, Tocchet, Brindamour, Lindros, Desjardins, JR, Pronger, Forsberg to root for? (yea, I know I’m missing a few others, but you get the point).

There’s no player on this team (hasn’t been for years) that I get jacked to watch play on this team…no one. You CANNOT win in this league without talent. You, Flyers, have succeeded the past few seasons to decimate this roster with plug-ins, horrible contracts, and at best, marginal talent. You’re losing fans…f’in joke. Show fans you care!
- BroadSTmayhem

Well Giroux has been a top scorer and a Hart trophy finalist in his time as a Flyer. He's second all time in the franchise in assists and 1st all time in PP points. Unfortunately they never built the team around him well enough and he is no longer good enough to carry a team on his back.

Not a talent issue according to some.
- hello it's me 2050

And that’s absurd.

Ristolainen is exactly what he is advertised to be. Robert Haag added a physical element and separated players from the puck.

The very notion of considering it a gamble is absurd. As a team, you take gambles when your on the verge of being able to contend for a cup and your looking for another piece. When you're a team in the Flyers position, you need to make smart and calculated moves. It wasn't a gamble. It was desperation and incompetence.

Somehow in the space of 15-20 games, in your eyes Ristolainen has gone from the best defenseman on the team and one of the best in the league to a player that they shouldn't extend.
- MJL

yet you insist the rangers shouldn't trade a 1st round pick. Guess they aint a contender this year.

Sell the damn team
- BiggE

Or comcast should strictly let hockey people do hockey things. Dave Scott is a glorified CPA. Get the heck out of the way and let hockey people run hockey operations.

And that’s absurd.
- BroadSTmayhem

I do not disagree with you. Look at the Flyers "core", then look at other teams core. Laughable.

Or comcast should strictly let hockey people do hockey things. Dave Scott is a glorified CPA. Get the heck out of the way and let hockey people run hockey operations.
- Pelle31Forever

He does. Sadly he hires these hockey people he lets run the show.

The team has just lost 10 in a row .. AGAIN ... they scored 1 goal against a very bad Columbus team ... they once again made another mediocre goalie look like Patrick Roy, and you want me to get excited about a kid's Corsi??? How many shots on goal did Frost get? How many goals did his line score to help the team win? The Flyers PP was again 0 for 4, what did Frost do on the 2nd PP unit to actually generate a scoring chance? Sorry, I could care less about his possession numbers!
- jd250

In all fairness, Elvis was in his game last night.

As I have posted, I think Risto does a good job adding a physical element and separating players from the puck, but where I am disappointed in him is his transition game, his first pass up the ice, what I consider his poor skating ability and his lack of offense. That is why I don't believe the Flyers should resign him, especially when I think they have a chance to rekindle a 1st round pick at least.

In the end it turned out to be a gamble not worth taking, but I'm glad Fletcher tried it. Now I hope Fletcher evaluates Risto objectively and makes the right decision to not extend him.
- jd250

This is why he was not worth a first a second and a roster player -- but you admit that you are glad that chuckles acquired him

I do not disagree with you. Look at the Flyers "core", then look at other teams core. Laughable.
- hello it's me 2050

So true. To not make big changes at this point is negligent on management’s part. It’s a systemic issue from top to bottom.

Ristolainen is exactly what he is advertised to be. Robert Haag added a physical element and separated players from the puck.

The very notion of considering it a gamble is absurd. As a team, you take gambles when your on the verge of being able to contend for a cup and your looking for another piece. When you're a team in the Flyers position, you need to make smart and calculated moves. It wasn't a gamble. It was desperation and incompetence.

Somehow in the space of 15-20 games, in your eyes Ristolainen has gone from the best defenseman on the team and one of the best in the league to a player that they shouldn't extend.
- MJL

baffling, isn't it?

It means laughing stocks.
- PLindbergh31

It means a once proud organization built on hard work and pride ( the name on the front is more important than the name on the back) or to use a Bob Clarke quote It’s all about the team” has lost its way.

What we are now seeing is “Comcast Flyers Hockey”
It’s 180 degrees from the above. The title on my desk is more important than any name on any jersey.

Game plan is….

Hire yes men or women
Spend less on quality and hope for the best since the fan base is very loyal
Make superficial changes to appear to the fans that you care or are attempting to fix the issues Goal song, short shirts hosts etc.

Oh well I’ve spent more time on the crappy team then I should have already.

I would trade Coots also, if we are going to blow this thing up lets do it right. Plus the assets we could acquire would help to speed up the rebuild we need.

1st, 2nd, Top prospect, and roster player would be my start.


Just think how many teams would be interested, probably all of them.
- Flyerloon

IMO, there's no way you get that type of package for Couts and his 7 yr $7.75M contract. I still think he's tradable, but I don't think the return would really be close to your starting point.

Trading Couts just seems highly unlikely now that he has been extended. Him deciding to re-sign here and the team being willing to commit to him with that contract was a huge decision for both sides. I highly doubt that either side is looking to change course before the extension has even kicked in. I'm not saying that I absolutely wouldn't do it, just that I don't see it happening

IMO, there's no way you get that type of package for Couts and his 7 yr $7.75M contract. I still think he's tradable, but I don't think the return would really be close to your starting point.

Trading Couts just seems highly unlikely now that he has been extended. Him deciding to re-sign here and the team being willing to commit to him with that contract was a huge decision for both sides. I highly doubt that either side is looking to change course before the extension has even kicked in. I'm not saying that absolutely wouldn't do it, just that I don't see it happening
- Big_E_88

The salary cap is an issue with teams not having cap space but Couturier's contract for a player of his ability is not an issue. 7.75M a year for a 1st line Selke level 30 goal, 70 point center is a bargain.

You can't get rid of everyone. You need some vet quality players for some stability and to help young players acclimate. Couturier is a player you should keep unless blown away in a deal.

what was the record before his last game?
- hello it's me 2050

12-12-5

I would trade Coots also, if we are going to blow this thing up lets do it right. Plus the assets we could acquire would help to speed up the rebuild we need.

1st, 2nd, Top prospect, and roster player would be my start.


Just think how many teams would be interested, probably all of them.
- Flyerloon

No one is taking a 30 yr old player who starts an 8 yr contract next year with knee [problems and injury prone...3 or 4 yr contract yes..8 yr contract no way in the world. Couts wouldnt get you anything right now his contract is too long and way to risky

Hopefully we’re not perpetually 2 years away from being 2 years away from saying this https://twitter.com/TEALT.../1484362246092324871?s=20

No one is taking a 30 yr old player who starts an 8 yr contract next year with knee
- hfc355[problems and injury prone...3 or 4 yr contract yes..8 yr contract no way in the world. Couts wouldnt get you anything right now his contract is too long and way to risky

Good thing he's 29 then.

Remember coots is a former selke winner

The salary cap is an issue with teams not having cap space but Couturier's contract for a player of his ability is not an issue. 7.75M a year for a 1st line Selke level 30 goal, 70 point center is a bargain.

You can't get rid of everyone. You need some vet quality players for some stability and to help young players acclimate. Couturier is a player you should keep unless blown away in a deal.
- MJL

If he has this value that you believe then you absolutely make a deal. you claim they are 5 years away. Makes zero sense to keep him as a vet presence. He will hinder a rebuild/retool in many ways He is also part of this losing process.

You can sign short term vets in free agency for that vet presence.

So what teams is he not an issue for to be moved to? Can you provide an example?

Good thing he's 29 then.
- Feanor

will be 30 December of 2022. First year of his extension.

The salary cap is an issue with teams not having cap space but Couturier's contract for a player of his ability is not an issue. 7.75M a year for a 1st line Selke level 30 goal, 70 point center is a bargain.

You can't get rid of everyone. You need some vet quality players for some stability and to help young players acclimate. Couturier is a player you should keep unless blown away in a deal.
- MJL

Sadly i would like to keep him but with Hayes contract we need to move and open up space for these younger players like Frost to develop.

To me other than Hart Farabee TK anyone should be traded if the return is good that includes the whole defense core. Let York Zamula play.

12-12-5
- Feanor

stellar

Sadly i would like to keep him but with Hayes contract we need to move and open up space for these younger players like Frost to develop.

To me other than Hart Farabee TK anyone should be traded if the return is good that includes the whole defense core. Let York Zamula play.
- Flyerloon

I’d keep Provy, too.