Uh huh. All day long
- 6628

Very true, at the same time though they are hitting that magic age of, if you are going to be an NHL player... 26, 27 years old

Yup. Just goes to show, I know how to pick 'em.
- Chunk

I do not disagree with you. Despite having 5 pts, a -7, 1:00 PP TOI, his most common linemates being Kane and Dcat (41:00) in 26 games his fancies show me why he passes my eye test with a 50% corsi for and a 52% shot share which speaks to my eye seeing a good skater who positions himself well away from the puck.

With the pipeline bare the 24 yr old, who has size and plays center is a guy they have to make sure is not an NHLer before they move on.

Rob Brown put together some monster years with the Chicago Wolves playing with Steve Maltais and Brian Wiseman.
- Theo Fox

Yeah he did, and that's a great point. Maltais was a prolific IHL/AHL scorer that just could never stick at the NHL level. Rob Brown managed to amass 543 games in the NHL and 438 points, but the Rob Brown on a line with Mario was not the same as the Rob Brown without him. With Mario he was over a PPG player, without him he is <.5PPG player.

Hartman and Duclair have excelled because they have been placed with players that accentuate their styles.

Reese Johnson will resume skating next week for the Blackhawks.

Derek King said he initially feared he was out for the year but now thinks he’ll be able to return toward the end of the season.


- Chunk

They could use his scoring.

Colorado, Tampa, Carolina, Boston, Florida, Washington, Toronto, Calgary to a certain extent are all built from within.

For every complete failure there are going to be successes.



Either way maintaining the status quo with this core is not the way to return to relevancy.
- fattybeef

Curious, are you in favor of moving just turned 24 yr old Dcat and if so what is the minimum return?

10 yr plan????

Very politically incorrect but there is more than 1 way to skin a cat. The Hawks are gonna have to draft well, hit on a good portion of their trades, sign a couple helpful FA's both here and from Europe/NCAA and have some luck to be relevant in 3-4 yrs but it's reasonable.

Yeah he did, and that's a great point. Maltais was a prolific IHL/AHL scorer that just could never stick at the NHL level. Rob Brown managed to amass 543 games in the NHL and 438 points, but the Rob Brown on a line with Mario was not the same as the Rob Brown without him. With Mario he was over a PPG player, without him he is <.5PPG player.

Hartman and Duclair have excelled because they have been placed with players that accentuate their styles.
- TheTrob

This is exactly why I would also like to see Borgstrom play with Kane for a more extended period of time, let’s see what he brings before they make a call to keep or move.

But King is correct and credit to him he keeps running Borgstrom out whether we like the minutes or slotting as the organIzation tries to evaluate what he is/can be.
- Mr Ricochet

I don't agree. Borgstrom should be in every game. See if he is a top 6 guy. Slavin, Hardman, etc. are bottom 6 guys. Organization has plenty of those in the pipeline.

Guys like Carpenter should be part of that rotation.

This is exactly why I would also like to see Borgstrom play with Kane for a more extended period of time, let’s see what he brings before they make a call to keep or move.
- Angotti

He has played his most minutes with Kane and Dcat: 41:00

3rd most common linemates are Kane and Hagel: 19:27

4th most common linemates Kane and Strome: 17:33

https://frozenpool.dobber.../players/henrik-borgstrom


But put me in the crowd that says keep running Borgstrom out. If he is an NHLer the Hawks need to identify that.

I don't agree. Borgstrom should be in every game. See if he is a top 6 guy. Slavin, Hardman, etc. are bottom 6 guys. Organization has plenty of those in the pipeline.

Guys like Carpenter should be part of that rotation.
- bhawks2241

See my 4 other posts on this page alone about Borgstrom.

This is exactly why I would also like to see Borgstrom play with Kane for a more extended period of time, let’s see what he brings before they make a call to keep or move.
- Angotti

Last game he lasted one period with Kane and ADB, and King had seen enough.

I don't agree. Borgstrom should be in every game. See if he is a top 6 guy. Slavin, Hardman, etc. are bottom 6 guys. Organization has plenty of those in the pipeline.

Guys like Carpenter should be part of that rotation.
- bhawks2241

So Strome has actually looked best when slotted correctly with top 6 players, Toews plays top 6 minutes, we need to play Dach top 6 minutes so he can get his confidence, Borgstrom should play top 6 minutes to see what he has? Kurashev possibly also? Maybe the Hawks should go with A and B teams to have enough top 6 minutes to allocate for all these tryouts.

So Strome has actually looked best when slotted correctly with top 6 players, Toews plays top 6 minutes, we need to play Dach top 6 minutes so he can get his confidence, Borgstrom should play top 6 minutes to see what he has? Kurashev possibly also? Maybe the Hawks should go with A and B teams to have enough top 6 minutes to allocate for all these tryouts.
- LAHawk

Dach will be a wing soon.

Dach will be a wing soon.
- Chunk

but whose wingman?

I don't agree. Borgstrom should be in every game. See if he is a top 6 guy. Slavin, Hardman, etc. are bottom 6 guys. Organization has plenty of those in the pipeline.

Guys like Carpenter should be part of that rotation.
- bhawks2241

There's nothing wrong with benching a player especially when you feel he has more to give.

but whose wingman?
- powerenforcer

Cats

Elbows is gonna be pissed, Strome playing, Borgstrom benched

but whose wingman?
- powerenforcer

Maverick's obviously.

See my 4 other posts on this page alone about Borgstrom.
- Mr Ricochet

Haha... ok we are on the same page.

There's nothing wrong with benching a player especially when you feel he has more to give.
- BetweenTheDots

Except King said is wasn't play related. Just needed to rotate in other guys. That is my issue.

Except King said is wasn't play related. Just needed to rotate in other guys. That is my issue.
- bhawks2241

He said it wasn't play related but he basically also said he has played no better than Slavin or Entwhistle, or as he put it, he hasn't separated himself from them.;

Except King said is wasn't play related. Just needed to rotate in other guys. That is my issue.
- bhawks2241

He said he wasn't separating himself from the likes of Hardman, Entwistle, or Slavin. If you aren't separating yourself from Slavin and Hardman, you've got some issues. Entwistle seems to actually be playing well and producing.

So Strome has actually looked best when slotted correctly with top 6 players, Toews plays top 6 minutes, we need to play Dach top 6 minutes so he can get his confidence, Borgstrom should play top 6 minutes to see what he has? Kurashev possibly also? Maybe the Hawks should go with A and B teams to have enough top 6 minutes to allocate for all these tryouts.
- LAHawk

Ok. Cool post. Don't recall many calling for top 6 minutes for Kurashev. Dach is fine as the 3C. Could careless about Strome. The Hawks playing him top 6 minutes is not going to increase his value. He is a known commodity.

The Hawks need to develop top 6 talent. Borgstrom being benched to rotate in bottom 6 guys is dumb. King said the benching was not play related. Maybe leave lines together for 20 games and see what chemistry and development happens.

So Strome has actually looked best when slotted correctly with top 6 players, Toews plays top 6 minutes, we need to play Dach top 6 minutes so he can get his confidence, Borgstrom should play top 6 minutes to see what he has? Kurashev possibly also? Maybe the Hawks should go with A and B teams to have enough top 6 minutes to allocate for all these tryouts.
- LAHawk

Why is Strome being given top 6 minutes? To showcase for a trade or are the Hawks thinking about giving the RFA a new contract?

My hope when they brought Borgstrom up, and posted so, was to give the kid a real 20-25 game stretch with maybe 15:00 TOI to evaluate him and for the most part they have although less minutes. I already posted Kane is his 1st, 3rd and 4th most common linemate and lotsa time with Hagel and Dcat so he's been given a look.

25 games is really a small sample size but a peak under the hood for a grizzled 40 yr hockey mind to have a reasonable thought. Unless he's moved or ice time changes that sample size grows to maybe even 60ish games.

His traditional stats are poor but fancies are solid. I do agree with your "tryout" comment/concern concerning multiple players in the top 6 and is a reason I always post NHL TOI is the most valuable of all things cuz it's finite and should never ever ever be wasted. ........... Honestly there isn't much, if anything, KD and King have done I disagree with and Borgstrom's usage fits that too.

And knowing your thoughts on moving Dach to wing, and mine being they will give the kid 300 games before they give up on him as a C, I wonder during this "tryout" phase of Hawk's Hockey if moving Dach to wing for 5ish games just to see what happens wouldn't be a bad idea?

This opens the top 3 center spots for Toews and Strome and Borgstrom will get meaningful slotting and minutes to evaluate?..... A few birds killed with one stone here. We see what Dach looks like as a winger, will that jump start the kid and Strome and Borgstrom get solid looks as centerman with that finite valuable NHL ice time?

This happens every single time I start pumping a guys tires a bit:

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King on scratching Borgstrom: “It's nothing really play-wise. He just hasn't separated himself from those group of guys like Entwistle or Hardman or…Slavin. It's just a rotation.”
- Chunk

On the 3rd line Borgstrum brings more offensive skill than Entwistle. Maybe as far as a 200’ game Entwistle exceeds Borgstrum. If you need a 3rd liner I would go with Borgstrum. If you are looking for a 4th liner I would go with Entwistle. Hardman should not be in the same conversation right now. He should be on the taxi squad or at Rockford.

He said he wasn't separating himself from the likes of Hardman, Entwistle, or Slavin. If you aren't separating yourself from Slavin and Hardman, you've got some issues. Entwistle seems to actually be playing well and producing.
- Chunk

Great way to manage young players. Looking over your shoulder constantly worried about another guy taking your spot. The Hawks aren't going anywhere. Leave him in. Sink or swim.

I don't understand the logic at all. Either he is benched for his play or he isn't.