I don't think we've ever had an "experienced" GM at the helm (maybe Jack Gordon if you consider four seasons as experienced):

1. Patrik Allvin - nope
2. Jim Benning - nope
3. Mike Gillis - nope
4. Dave Nonis - nope
5. Brian Burke - one season in Hartford
6. Mike Keenan - two seasons in St. Louis
7. Pat Quinn - nope
8. Jack Gordon - four seasons in Minnesota
9. Harry Neale - nope
- bloatedmosquito

Oilers tried going experienced lately, it’s working out great over there.

Bob Nicholson: The guy who was part of team Canada management where the big challenge is to pick the best all star team.

Ken Holland: the guy has been mediocre at best since the last lockout. He admitted that he likes using +/- to evaluate players, game is passing him by.

Peter Chiarelli: just look at his transaction history in Edmonton lol


My point would be that you can find a good GM or bad GM in either group(experienced vs inexperienced).

Tampa’s last two GM hires were first time GM’s and they’ve won 2 straight cups.


I’m sceptical about Allvin but let’s give him a chance

Pittsburgh drafted at # 58 this year and was their only pick in the top 100

The year before they drafted 52 nd and 77 in the top 100

The year before they drafted Samuel Poulin at 21 and Nathan Lagare at 77

So in the last three years they have drafted 5 players only in the top 100 of the three drafts . I don't believe any of their picks have been to great. One first rounder in three years. Sound familiar?

Edit : Rutherford joined Pittsburgh in 2014 and since that time Pitts has only had two first round picks. Kappanen in 2014 who they traded to the Leafs and traded back for with the 2020 first . The only other selection was three years ago for LHD Samuel Poulin.
- VANTEL

Didn't Pits win 2 cups in a row? Haven't we all said that we would ruin this team for a decade if it meant we won the cup?

Didn't Aquilini just hire a head coach a few weeks ago?
- VANTEL

Are giving FA full credit for that?

https://www.google.com/am...d-pittsburgh-penguins-nhl

One team was a contender (or we’re trying to stay one with Crosby). The other stunk
- CanuckDon

Also he won a cup acquiring Bonino. Cups get forgotten easily lol

JR gets no credit for Guentzel or Rust or Rodrigues? Pens never seem weak in goal. He fired Bylsma & installed Sullivan. Check out his winning %.

No they weren't at least not the last couple of years.

Read my edit about Rutherford on my last post about his first round selections. Two first round picks since 2014. He is very much like Bergevin.
- VANTEL

Well JR isn’t the GM. Nothing to be worried about until they give us a reason to be worried

Oilers tried going experienced lately, it’s working out great over there.

Bob Nicholson: The guy who was part of team Canada management where the big challenge is to pick the best all star team.

Ken Holland: the guy has been mediocre at best since the last lockout. He admitted that he likes using +/- to evaluate players, game is passing him by.

Peter Chiarelli: just look at his transaction history in Edmonton lol


My point would be that you can find a good GM or bad GM in either group(experienced vs inexperienced).

Tampa’s last two GM hires were first time GM’s and they’ve won 2 straight cups.


I’m sceptical about Allvin but let’s give him a chance
- Nucker101

You mean the same stat that Quinn Hughes used when talking about how he wasn't happy with last season and he wants to improve on that stat?

It’s becoming hilarious questioning JR & what he will achieve.

All he has done to date is remake the front office which was a laughable weakness.

He’s been clear & upfront on what he wants & will do. No more mixed messages. That alone should satisfy many or most fans. Now lets see what happens with the roster & the guaranteed changes that will come & how soon it does. There will be more chances we can move forward out of this wall we have hit.

Wasn’t Vancouver Burke’s first GM position? AGM, deputy commissioner of the NHL, GM Canucks.
- 1970vintage

In the 1992–93 season Burke became general manager of the Hartford Whalers. Burke stepped down after one year in Hartford, so he could join the NHL front office as executive vice president and director of hockey operations, under league commissioner Gary Bettman.

You mean the same stat that Quinn Hughes used when talking about how he wasn't happy with last season and he wants to improve on that stat?
- Reubenkincade

It’s a flawed stat without context. I’d want to know the players role, linemates, team strength, goaltending, etc.

I don’t think Jakob Chychrun is really a -31 talent or anyone near the worst dman on the Yotes

You are jumping the gun. It may be bigger and more diversified but it also has little to no experience at their current jobs. It could just mean more people asking what do I do.

Rutherford was a bit trigger happy in his last few years selling off draft picks just like Gillis and Bergevin. He also covered up scandals so tyrant might fit him also.

Again he comes with a clean slate so let's see how everyone does.
- VANTEL

Yep well said always good to wait and see where this goes. I watched Rutherford in PIT a bit and literally no player or deal is safe if he gets his sights set on a player. Can be good and bad. See how the new GM works out under that tutelage. As far as the other hires go it's also a wait and see approach. Optics look great for the Canucks organization on the hires but results are required. Maybe with these hirings we will get some 'outside the box' thinking and get stuff done.

It would have been nice to bring in a GM with some actual time spent but we'll see where this goes. Hey I get it the honeymoon with Boudreau is still on and it will be the same with Rutherford and the new GM for awhile. But the team's play has snapped back to reality a bit and over time it will be the same with MNGT unless huge results are achieved. I'm just hoping we are on a 2-4 year plan instead of the 'win now' thing with benning lol

It’s a flawed stat without context. I’d want to know the players role, linemates, team strength, goaltending, etc.

I don’t think Jakob Chychrun is really a -31 talent or anyone near the worst dman on the Yotes
- Nucker101

Have to agree. Even the coach has an impact on a player's +/- . If Chychrun is constantly playing against the leagues best then his +/- will reflect that difficult assignment. A coach can give a player "protected" minutes that artificially inflates his stats.

The +/- differences between a Boudreau coached canucks and a Green coached canucks is night and day.

About using the +/- stat…

It’s a 5v5 stat in essence. Are the Canucks successful at 5v5? Yes & mostly due to Demko’s play.

Is it a stand alone stat? Nope but is an indicator of total team play.

Is it a guide to use to assess a team? Yes. It shows us the teams depth is lacking production. It shines a light on where improvement can be had. When Petey & Boeser are underachieving it drags the team down. Bottom 6 has been a sore spot adding more pressure on the top 6 & PP.

It’s a flawed stat without context. I’d want to know the players role, linemates, team strength, goaltending, etc.

I don’t think Jakob Chychrun is really a -31 talent or anyone near the worst dman on the Yotes
- Nucker101

Ya, it's not nearly as an important stat as PDO,

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.canescountry.com/platform/amp/2017/6/30/15900340/carolina-hurricanes-jim-rutherford-pittsburgh-penguins-nhl
- Reubenkincade

Not a good look. More recycled #@$&*#?

Yep well said always good to wait and see where this goes. I watched Rutherford in PIT a bit and literally no player or deal is safe if he gets his sights set on a player. Can be good and bad. See how the new GM works out under that tutelage. As far as the other hires go it's also a wait and see approach. Optics look great for the Canucks organization on the hires but results are required. Maybe with these hirings we will get some 'outside the box' thinking and get stuff done.

It would have been nice to bring in a GM with some actual time spent but we'll see where this goes. Hey I get it the honeymoon with Boudreau is still on and it will be the same with Rutherford and the new GM for awhile. But the team's play has snapped back to reality a bit and over time it will be the same with MNGT unless huge results are achieved. I'm just hoping we are on a 2-4 year plan instead of the 'win now' thing with benning lol
- LordHumungous

Optics?
Come on it sucked before so nowhere to go but up.

Play snapped back to reality?
No Demko Miller Bo Garland Halak lately. Top 3 scorers & AHLers in goal. What did you expect?

I don't care that the guy only has 13 long days of experience but a very hot topic over the last couple of years on here has been the hiring of first time President a first time coach and a first time GM . I am just pointing out we just hired our third first time GM again.

I don't know the guy so I can't say if I like him or not.
- VANTEL

No worries at all, wasn't pointing fingers, was just commenting on the topic.

Anyways this process is light years different from the debacle of Benning and the poopty coaches and staff Benning and FA implements.

No worries at all, wasn't pointing fingers, was just commenting on the topic.

Anyways this process is light years different from the debacle of Benning and the poopty coaches and staff Benning and FA implements.
- Makita

100% 👍

Scouting dept can use an overhaul. Delorme adios.

Ya, it's not nearly as an important stat as PDO,
- Reubenkincade

PDO is flawed too, dumb to assume every players above 100 is lucky and vice versa

Scouting dept can use an overhaul. Delorme adios.
- Nighthawk

I doubt Delorme is let go

PDO is flawed too, dumb to assume every players above 100 is lucky and vice versa
- Nucker101

All analytic type stats are flawed. Always interesting listening to an analytics person say how +/- is flawed, then go on and on and on about some other flawed stat.
+/- gives a quick overview of what happens when that player is on the ice and like all the fancy stats has many other variables that are not considered.

All analytic type stats are flawed. Always interesting listening to an analytics person say how +/- is flawed, then go on and on and on about some other flawed stat.
+/- gives a quick overview of what happens when that player is on the ice and like all the fancy stats has many other variables that are not considered.
- Reubenkincade

I just compare anyone to Andre Boudrias.

Scouting dept can use an overhaul. Delorme adios.
- Nighthawk

The scouting departments, both amateur and professional, do need improvement.
I believe the Canucks do not scout nearly as much in certain parts of the globe, compared to other teams.
I doubt, after hearing what Rutherford said today, that that issue will be addressed under this regime.
We will see this upcoming draft.