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hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 28 @ 3:51 PM ET
Oh, well I guess the question looks less stupid when you ask it like that…
- SuperSchennBros

simpleton
SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Jan 28 @ 3:53 PM ET
Correct. I do not need to work. Big difference.

Dunce.

- hello it's me 2050

So you spend you’re an entire life, day after day, from sun rise to sunset on hockeybuzz.com because you admittingly don’t have to work and I’m the dunce?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 28 @ 3:53 PM ET
So you spend you’re an entire life, day after day, from sun rise to sunset on hockeybuzz.com because you admittingly don’t have to work and I’m the dunce?
- SuperSchennBros

putz
SuperSchennBros
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Jan 28 @ 3:55 PM ET
putz
- hello it's me 2050

On that note, you win 😁
hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

Jan 28 @ 3:58 PM ET
1) No state taxes so he'd actually get a raise
2) Eichel, Patches, Stone, Marchassault, Pietrangelo, Reilly Smith, McNabb, Theodore...and the list goes on. Lehner at goal. Add G to that mix and it's an all star team for god's sake.
3) It's Vegas baby

- juiced

If Giroux waives and it's a big IF...seriously doubt he waives to go anywhere to a team out West. Bet Pittsburgh is as far west as he will agree to go. Not leaving his family for 2 to 3 mths think he has made clear how being around his family is utmost important to him
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 28 @ 4:00 PM ET
I agree, he isnt cheap for that. But who is? Good physical D....nurse? 9.5, Seth Jones.....9.5. How much do you think a good physical D man costs? So do we settle for an OK physical D for $6?
- bradster

Well, Seattle signed Adam Larsson 4 years $4M per, so I think those players are out there.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 28 @ 4:01 PM ET
Mayhew doesn't seem to need that? Then why is he 29 years old and never been a regular in the NHL? He is a career minor leaguer who has played 27 NHL games in his life.


I'm being kind by even replying to this.

- MJL

Its not because Mayhew lacks confidence, its solely because of his abilities or lack thereof.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 28 @ 4:02 PM ET
You retain salary if it gets you a better deal.
- MJL

Of course, but at the deadline G will be only owed $2M and Risto about $1M, that's really not a lot of money. In the end it doesn't matter if the Flyers retain money since its only for this season.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jan 28 @ 4:32 PM ET
LOL E.Kane says he got along with all his Teammates but the rumour came from the dressing room and that it was bad leadership. So he didnt get along with his teammates then......
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Jan 28 @ 4:43 PM ET
Well, Seattle signed Adam Larsson 4 years $4M per, so I think those players are out there.
- jd250


alrighty
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 28 @ 4:50 PM ET
Its not because Mayhew lacks confidence, its solely because of his abilities or lack thereof.
- jd250


Did Mayhew miss a full season of hockey as a young player trying to break into the NHL?
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jan 28 @ 4:55 PM ET
FYI Colorado Avalanche only have 6 Players on their team that they drafted:

Makar
Mackinnon
Landeskog
Rantanen
Newhook
Jost

It really comes down to who they draft not when. Rantanen is #10 pick. Other 3 top players were top picks but as I mentioned before the Flyers have had top picks. JVR and NoPa were #2 Picks. Difference is neither of those guys made it even close to the quality of the Top 3 Avs. Lets not forget Couturier and Provorov were picked 7 and 8 in their drafts as well.

Difference is we drafted poorly and we didnt make trades like the Avs did. Even then I dont think they have made it that far in the playoffs despite this
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 28 @ 4:56 PM ET
Of course, but at the deadline G will be only owed $2M and Risto about $1M, that's really not a lot of money. In the end it doesn't matter if the Flyers retain money since its only for this season.
- jd250


It's a lot of money to the many teams who have no cap space. A team wanting to take on Giroux at the deadline would need $1,696,375. Look and see how many teams that are contenders that will have that cap space. Now cut that by 50% and see how many teams will have $848,175 if the Flyers retain 50%. Makes a difference. Now do the same thing for Ristolainen.
There are some teams that have some cap space. Other teams currently have LTIR cap space but with players that are going to come off of LTIR. The deadline is a ways away. Other teams could have injuries that are long term. We have to wait and see. If retaining salary gets a better return, then why not do that? Your comment didn't make sense.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jan 28 @ 5:31 PM ET
If Giroux waives and it's a big IF...seriously doubt he waives to go anywhere to a team out West. Bet Pittsburgh is as far west as he will agree to go. Not leaving his family for 2 to 3 mths think he has made clear how being around his family is utmost important to him
- hfc355

Orrrrrrrrrr what if he did something completely crazy and took his family with him?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 28 @ 5:35 PM ET
Orrrrrrrrrr what if he did something completely crazy and took his family with him?
- hereticpride


Would you do that with young children, Covid, etc?
hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

Jan 28 @ 5:37 PM ET
Orrrrrrrrrr what if he did something completely crazy and took his family with him?
- hereticpride

For 2 mths with his kids in school???? Why would he do that.?? He is in total control of where he goes and IF he goes. He is going to do what's best for him and his family and what's best for Flyers is of no concern to him.
hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

Jan 28 @ 5:39 PM ET
Would you do that with young children, Covid, etc?
- MJL

Correct..one thing if you have no choice but he has total control with his NTC
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 28 @ 5:46 PM ET
So you spend you’re an entire life, day after day, from sun rise to sunset on hockeybuzz.com because you admittingly don’t have to work and I’m the dunce?
- SuperSchennBros

welcome to Biden's economy full of antiwork people
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 28 @ 5:46 PM ET
For 2 mths with his kids in school???? Why would he do that.?? He is in total control of where he goes and IF he goes. He is going to do what's best for him and his family and what's best for Flyers is of no concern to him.
- hfc355


Hmm let me see...

1. If I go to Vegas on Foley's private jet, and win the cup, possible Conn Smythe, I could go to HOF.

2. Or I could stay in the area and not want to change babysitters for my 2.5 year old and my 0.5 year old sons.

That's it. It's #2. Am not changing babysitters.

2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 28 @ 5:46 PM ET
If Giroux waives and it's a big IF...seriously doubt he waives to go anywhere to a team out West. Bet Pittsburgh is as far west as he will agree to go. Not leaving his family for 2 to 3 mths think he has made clear how being around his family is utmost important to him
- hfc355

flyers are his family he has to take care of them first
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jan 28 @ 5:53 PM ET
For 2 mths with his kids in school???? Why would he do that.?? He is in total control of where he goes and IF he goes. He is going to do what's best for him and his family and what's best for Flyers is of no concern to him.
- hfc355

School? His kid is like 2 lol.

I don’t think think he’s going to refuse to waive. I would be shocked if he did honestly.
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Jan 28 @ 6:16 PM ET
FYI Colorado Avalanche only have 6 Players on their team that they drafted:

Makar
Mackinnon
Landeskog
Rantanen
Newhook
Jost

It really comes down to who they draft not when. Rantanen is #10 pick. Other 3 top players were top picks but as I mentioned before the Flyers have had top picks. JVR and NoPa were #2 Picks. Difference is neither of those guys made it even close to the quality of the Top 3 Avs. Lets not forget Couturier and Provorov were picked 7 and 8 in their drafts as well.

Difference is we drafted poorly and we didnt make trades like the Avs did. Even then I dont think they have made it that far in the playoffs despite this

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

But are they an entertaining team? Are their fans excited to got the watch them play? That’s also a part of this being sports are suppose to be entertaining.

Hedman was drafted in 2009 and Tampa just won a cup 2 seasons ago so these things take time. I would rather have the pieces a team cant trade or sign for as free agents like a #1 defenseman and #1 center already on the roster having to just add depth then to have to acquire those elite talents which the Flyers have to find a way to do. It’s a lot harder of a job.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jan 28 @ 6:35 PM ET
But are they an entertaining team? Are their fans excited to got the watch them play? That’s also a part of this being sports are suppose to be entertaining.

Hedman was drafted in 2009 and Tampa just won a cup 2 seasons ago so these things take time. I would rather have the pieces a team cant trade or sign for as free agents like a #1 defenseman and #1 center already on the roster having to just add depth then to have to acquire those elite talents which the Flyers have to find a way to do. It’s a lot harder of a job.

- psuhockey


Hedman is also 31 years old.

Flyers have Provorov who is still 25 years old and Couturier who has played up to the standard of a #1 C.

There is no such thing as pieces you cant trade for. Any player has a price. NSH got Forsberg for Erat as a FA, NYR got Panarin from FA, Zibanejad for Brassard, Fox for a 2nd round pick. No Organization is perfect. Players are always over valued or misjudged. Flyers need to do a better job of evaluating talent and utilizing their strengths
hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

Jan 28 @ 7:02 PM ET
flyers are his family he has to take care of them first
- 2Real

Yeah right.....
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Jan 28 @ 7:09 PM ET
It's a lot of money to the many teams who have no cap space. A team wanting to take on Giroux at the deadline would need $1,696,375. Look and see how many teams that are contenders that will have that cap space. Now cut that by 50% and see how many teams will have $848,175 if the Flyers retain 50%. Makes a difference. Now do the same thing for Ristolainen.
There are some teams that have some cap space. Other teams currently have LTIR cap space but with players that are going to come off of LTIR. The deadline is a ways away. Other teams could have injuries that are long term. We have to wait and see. If retaining salary gets a better return, then why not do that? Your comment didn't make sense.

- MJL


we can easily take a contract back to make a good deal work. Not sure how many times this needs to be explained
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