Eh, I think you will be trading low. TK can play better. No excuse but he has played on a dysfunctional team for a good while. This season he has had a hurt Coots and Laughton as a pivot. Tk skates really well, if you don’t have a pivot with speed to play with him, you need a healthy Coots type, he has had neither most of the season. I actually said earlier this season that the Flyers will make a hockey trade, that Tk could be part of the that, I am ok with that but he needs to be playing well when the Flyers pull that trigger
- wcorvette

This is his 6th season. Maybe this is just the player he has become.

Why would Bufflalo do that? Where did you see that at or is it just your proposal?
- hello it's me 2050

that was my proposal. They got rid of him anyway so he was available. Why wouldnt they have done it

No, apparently you didn't. You simply quoted a stat line.

He played with a ton of pace, created a few scoring chances, even brought some physicality. That's called playing well, points or no points (especially in a bottom six spot).

Yesterday, Frost started adding some more offensive assertiveness in with it. Nice assist, five shots on goal, a hit or two, blocked a shot. Now he has to continue building off that.

Yeo addressed it directly on Friday: Said that he knows Frost would produce more points ("with all due respect to Gerry and Max") if moved up to the top six, but what he's looking for right now is Frost continuing to keep his feet moving and using his body rather than falling back on his OHL style where he could rely on his hands and ice vision primarily. Said that once Frost committed to habit playing the way he has of late, the skill plays and points would come back in with it and he'd be ready to move up in the lineup.
- bmeltzer

Well apparently you are wrong Bill . I watched every minute of every game including yesterdays . He played a very solid game yesterday. But your definition of playing very well the previous 3 games and my definition are 2 different things. Doing nothing offensively those 3 games and only hurting your team a little bit is not my definition of playing very well. Were those 3 games better then the ones before Yes but it was hard to be any worse. Acceptance of mediocrity is part of whats wrong with this franchise and you are buying right into it

that was my proposal. They got rid of him anyway so he was available. Why wouldnt they have done it
- bradster

Think they got a better deal. What does Sanheim do for them?

I would have def went after him. Too bad the GM has tunnel vision for RR only.
As yo mentioned before look at Reinhart. Traded for less than

No, apparently you didn't. You simply quoted a stat line.

He played with a ton of pace, created a few scoring chances, even brought some physicality. That's called playing well, points or no points (especially in a bottom six spot).

Yesterday, Frost started adding some more offensive assertiveness in with it. Nice assist, five shots on goal, a hit or two, blocked a shot. Now he has to continue building off that.

Yeo addressed it directly on Friday: Said that he knows Frost would produce more points ("with all due respect to Gerry and Max") if moved up to the top six, but what he's looking for right now is Frost continuing to keep his feet moving and using his body rather than falling back on his OHL style where he could rely on his hands and ice vision primarily. Said that once Frost committed to habit playing the way he has of late, the skill plays and points would come back in with it and he'd be ready to move up in the lineup.
- bmeltzer

Yeo with some solid development here! Frost looked like a different player yesterday. all the complaining people have made, this actually makes a lot of sense.

This is his 6th season. Maybe this is just the player he has become.
- hello it's me 2050

I agree with this sentiment. He really reeks of being an average player. He has some good qualities and some not so good qualities. It's just who he is at this point. He really hasn't continued to improve as one would expect. There was a point that I thought he could be considered as being the next captain of this team, but that certainly has gone out the window.

This is his 6th season. Maybe this is just the player he has become.
- hello it's me 2050

Winning cures all, that year he was an all star the team was good. Hard to make any judgments in this mess, end up giving away a good player for pennies on the dollar.

Winning cures all, that year he was an all star the team was good. Hard to make any judgments in this mess, end up giving away a good player for pennies on the dollar.
- ClaudeFather

Well this team aint winning any time soon. He has accepted losing, like many others.

Didn't say give him away for pennies on the dollar.

Well this team aint winning any time soon. He has accepted losing, like many others.

Didn't say give him away for pennies on the dollar.
- hello it's me 2050

So you think trading a guy after two down years is maximizing value ?

Well apparently you are wrong Bill . I watched every minute of every game including yesterdays . He played a very solid game yesterday. But your definition of playing very well the previous 3 games and my definition are 2 different things. Doing nothing offensively those 3 games and only hurting your team a little bit is not my definition of playing very well. Were those 3 games better then the ones before Yes but it was hard to be any worse. Acceptance of mediocrity is part of whats wrong with this franchise and you are buying right into it
- hfc355

Guys missed a lot of time, had some injury issues. It’s going to take time. One of the bonus’s to sucking as a team, guy like him should get ample time in the second half to get there game together….do you not agree he’s has gotten better as he’s going here? I agree it’s not quite what we envisioned but I still think he can become what the Flyers hoped he would be…maybe I’m just being an optimistic but if he can stay healthy I see a very high end skilled player,,,,good knows the Flyers could use that.

So you think trading a guy after two down years is maximizing value ?
- ClaudeFather

If he is as good as you think he can be then is out of the ordinary to think other GM's may think that as well?

What do you think he is value is then league wide?

If he is as good as you think he can be then is out of the ordinary to think other GM's may think that as well?

What do you think he is value is then league wide?
- hello it's me 2050

How good did i state he was? I have no idea, I just know that trading a guy after two down years is foolish

i dont think he is grossly overpaid. $5.5 for a decent D isnt that bad. Look at some of the other contracts for D out there. Id prefer 4.5 but the cap is supposed to start going up again.. I would say $4 for him would be an under payment. I'm not married to keeping him, but if we dont, we need to sign a physical D to replace him. I might be in the minority, but i think he is better than most $3-$4M D men out there. I also think he brings more than just physical, he can play. MAkes mistakes yes, but he can make some plays that a savard or someone cant.
- bradster

He’s not over paid in todays market at all. I think there’s been nights where he’s been their best d man….over all I think they could use him in a more offensive role…he couldn’t make the pp any worse. He’s had success doing it before. If the Flyers can’t get him signed, then I think they will have a weaker d next year because of it. I also think it’s highly probable that he has already indicated that he wants to test FA. It makes no sense for the Flyers to publicly acknowledge that as it would hurt his over all trade value. I would think Fletcher knows full well where he stand today with the player.

How good did i state he was? I have no idea, I just know that trading a guy after two down years is foolish
- ClaudeFather

Who is to say they are down years? Maybe you expect too much from him. Could be he is a 40 point type of player.

If he has a 3rd down year then it becomes diminishing returns. So do you kepe waiting and waiting for him to be a player he may not be?

Who is to say they are down years? Maybe you expect too much from him. Could be he is a 40 point type of player.

If he has a 3rd down year then it becomes diminishing returns. So do you kepe waiting and waiting for him to be a player he may not be?
- hello it's me 2050

Two very solid seasons after his rookie year, then an all star Caliber season in his fourth, a very healthy ascension for a talented player. Those teams weren’t great but they were decent. What has been the common theme the past two years?

Who is to say they are down years? Maybe you expect too much from him. Could be he is a 40 point type of player.

If he has a 3rd down year then it becomes diminishing returns. So do you kepe waiting and waiting for him to be a player he may not be?
- hello it's me 2050

Chucky needs to be careful in jettisoning the wrong guys out of here with the mess this team has become.

Two very solid seasons after his rookie year, then an all star Caliber season in his fourth, a very healthy ascension for a talented player. Those teams weren’t great but they were decent. What has been the common theme the past two years?
- ClaudeFather

his all star season looks to be an anomaly. Common theme is he hasnt produced to that all star level. So maybe people need to alter their expectations.

Another common theme is he has been a "core" member of this losing team.

Chucky needs to be careful in jettisoning the wrong guys out of here with the mess this team has become.
- landros 2

Who are the wrong guys to jettison? Hart York Joel? Other than that open season to me.

his all star season looks to be an anomaly. Common theme is he hasnt produced to that all star level. So maybe people need to alter their expectations.

Another common theme is he has been a "core" member of this losing team.
- hello it's me 2050

Maybe you need to re-evaluate, you’re struggling here

Who are the wrong guys to jettison? Hart York Joel? Other than that open season to me.
- hello it's me 2050

I would add Konecny and Provy as well. I’m also not ready to send Coots packing because he tried to play through an injury. Other then that I think Chucks open for business. With all that being said, when your this bad I don’t think the organization should have any untouchable’s.

Maybe you need to re-evaluate, you’re struggling here
- ClaudeFather

Yeah ok. Guy had 1 all star season and you act like that is or should be his norm when all other evidence shows otherwise. Accept the fact he is a 40 -50 point type of player who is inconsistent. When he shows otherwise let me know.

I would add Konecny and Provy as well. I’m also not ready to send Coots packing because he tried to play through an injury. Other then that I think Chucks open for business. With all that being said, when your this bad I don’t think the organization should have any untouchable’s.
- landros 2

Would move any of those 2 in the right deal. Ex selke's contract will be a huge burden in time.

Though since the GM has a blank check and only 2/3 pieces away they wont move him.

Would move any of those 2 in the right deal. Ex selke's contract will be a huge burden in time.

Though since the GM has a blank check and only 2/3 pieces away they wont move him.
- hello it's me 2050

Anyone can be moved in the right deal…I frankly could care less about what coots might become if he can give us 5 good years and help this team get back to being relevant.

Anyone can be moved in the right deal…I frankly could care less about what coots might become if he can give us 5 good years and help this team get back to being relevant.
- landros 2

I do not believe in any way he will give you 5 good years. They aint gonna win squat in the next 5 years.

Define relevant?

Yeo with some solid development here! Frost looked like a different player yesterday. all the complaining people have made, this actually makes a lot of sense.
- ClaudeFather

Not really. It's archaic. They possibly delayed improved play and risked a player regressing and losing confidence. They need to change how they develop players and find a better balance.