In the last year of his deal I'd say sure for a King's ransom lol. With 37 games left we are in a WC race.
- LordHumungous

Claiming no hope of the PO’s without Miller without knowing the return? Interesting

Problem is, teams are probably more willing to pay more at this TDL since they'll have him for 1.5 years. So if the Canucks want the best return (and a quicker turn around) trading him now at this TDL is a better long-term strategy.


- NewYorkNuck

Bingo

Who says trading him now is better?
- manvanfan

Answering that when or if the return is known.

Just for context, I live in Ottawa and went and checked out the protest at its peak this past Saturday (more out of curiosity than support).

Did not see one racist flag or nasty act in the roughly 4 hours i was walking around.
All in all, it was pretty festive. People BBQing, tunes, beverages, fireworks, canadian flags and a whole lot of honking.

Apart from that one retarded women dancing on the tomb (willing to bet she had no idea what the monument was) and the two flags the media keeps showing, it's been pretty peaceful. Not a single arrest as far as I know.

Two cents.
- Whiskey-Tango

Whether the disrespectful/discriminatory acts are overblown or not, it is a fact that protests have slowed emergency services to the point that 10 minute ambulances rides are taking 45. Putting peoples lives at risk is no joke

Lordy in this thread:

I don't have a dog in this race but even if a half dozen idiot Nazis showed up with their flag, it wouldn't represent tens of thousands like some on here are suggesting and pressing....

It would be like seeing someone waving a Flames banner at a Canucks game and some tard claiming the building is full of Flames fans instead of Canuck's fans. In reality it's just Nucker....
- boonerbuck

To be fair, you wouldn't see any Nazis/Nazi flags at a Black Lives rally, or Greenpeace rally, or housing/homeless rally... there must be some level of comfort or acceptability for those people to show up at that kind of rally.

Not saying all the people who went there are racist/bigots/whatever, but there is something to be said that racists/Nazis feel more comfortable in that demographic.

Lordy in this thread:


- Nucker101

Answering that when or if the return is known.
- Nighthawk

Well I'd like to know for sure on how the re-tool is going to look before it happens 😆

Would you trade him for Podz, Hogz, Woo?

That is a 1st, and 2-2nd round picks previously.

Trading him now could possibly leave a lot of unknown if they include draft picks. It also limits the amount of teams and the teams you can trade with may or may not have the right prospects.

It's not restocking time. Got to make it right for the not so distant future IMo.
- manvanfan

Which teams wanting Miller are limited & cannot make an offer?

Lordy in this thread:


- Nucker101

He's an idiot.

Whether the disrespectful/discriminatory acts are overblown or not, it is a fact that protests have slowed emergency services to the point that 10 minute ambulances rides are taking 45. Putting peoples lives at risk is no joke
- NorthNuck

Yeah, I don't know about those claims tbh. I can only talk to what I saw and experienced personally.

As it stands now, it's mainly the three downtown bridges and Wellington street that are locked down.
Emergency services don't really cross the bridges (inter provincial, each side has their own services/hospitals etc) and nobody lives on Wellington.

Perhaps the Byward market got impacted but who knows.

All in all both sides are portraying the event in extremes.
CBC basically reporting a white supremacist mob has taken over - highly ridiculous.
Right Wing pundits talking about being harrased, followed, spied on - simply not happening.

Crazy times...

Really?
That's what you're going with?


- dbot

Liberal indoctrination

To be fair, you wouldn't see any Nazis/Nazi flags at a Black Lives rally, or Greenpeace rally, or housing/homeless rally... there must be some level of comfort or acceptability for those people to show up at that kind of rally.

Not saying all the people who went there are racist/bigots/whatever, but there is something to be said that racists/Nazis feel more comfortable in that demographic.
- NewYorkNuck

Nazis get asked to leave gatherings all the time even though it's a right wing etc gathering like anti abortions and other hot issues. One thing I learned about nazis though, they thrive on being the unwelcome party crashers especially if there is a news camera around.

Most if not all people in here haven't had much exposure to nazis, researched anything about it or been involved with people writing books on the issue like I have.. If you get your info from the media etc... you really are only participating in manufactured outrage. Being anti extremist is good, being a fool who yells nazi at every politicized issue on the news is ignorant and doesnt help the real battle against extremism.

Yes.
- Load Management

To be fair, you wouldn't see any Nazis/Nazi flags at a Black Lives rally, or Greenpeace rally, or housing/homeless rally... there must be some level of comfort or acceptability for those people to show up at that kind of rally.

Not saying all the people who went there are racist/bigots/whatever, but there is something to be said that racists/Nazis feel more comfortable in that demographic.
- NewYorkNuck

https://www.washingtonexa...ruckers-we-called-him-out

Yeah, I don't know about those claims tbh. I can only talk to what I saw and experienced personally.

As it stands now, it's mainly the three downtown bridges and Wellington street that are locked down.
Emergency services don't really cross the bridges (inter provincial, each side has their own services/hospitals etc) and nobody lives on Wellington.

Perhaps the Byward market got impacted but who knows.

All in all both sides are portraying the event in extremes.
CBC basically reporting a white supremacist mob has taken over - highly ridiculous.
Right Wing pundits talking about being harrased, followed, spied on - simply not happening.

Crazy times...
- Whiskey-Tango

Media does what the media does... creates division.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/man-with-confederate-flag-told-to-leave-by-ottawa-truckers-we-called-him-out
- WelfareWerewolf

"Man with confederate flag told to leave by Ottawa truckers: 'We called him out'"

People make accusations without knowing poop on here. It's always been the most unreasonable forum I've been on.

As I've said a number of times, I personally wouldn't trade him for picks – it takes too long for those to make an impact. One of the main reasons to trade JTM is his age and next contract, and you'd be faced with that same problem with draft picks: before they can make an impact, the core you have now will start to get into that upper age range.

Trading JTM for prospects/players who can make an impact in a year to three is who I would target. Players like Laf or Schneider who can join and grow with the team now.

Most of the teams inquiring about JTM have solid prospects (aside from Calgary), so it's about making it work for both teams. The Canucks need forwards and D, so unless a team only has blue chip goalie prospects, I'm sure they can work something out.

You make it seem like not trading him leaves the knowns as good things, and the stocks are full... who are the prospects coming up to push the club to a better level? Is letting JTM walk in FA a smart move? Would signing a 30 year old to a 7/8 year contract be a smart decision?

Realistically, is this team competing for a cup with the way the team is structured and with the kids in the system? Or is it still in the Benning-built "get into the playoffs and see what happens"? IMO it's more the latter, so I'd rather do a quick restock with players/prospects that can make an impact in the next couple years to take the team past where they are now. Trading JTM is just the quickest way to get there, I think.
- NewYorkNuck

👍👍

Waiting til the offseason for more teams to fit in JTM doesn’t make him more valuable. It lets teams leading up to this TDL to be less aggressive hence offer less if told wait til the offseason. Better to trade JTM when something is on the line & closer as in these PO’s.

Nazis get asked to leave gatherings all the time even though it's a right wing etc gathering like anti abortions and other hot issues. One thing I learned about nazis though, they thrive on being the unwelcome party crashers especially if there is a news camera around.

Most if not all people in here haven't had much exposure to nazis, researched anything about it or been involved with people writing books on the issue like I have.. If you get your info from the media etc... you really are only participating in manufactured outrage. Being anti extremist is good, being a fool who yells nazi at every politicized issue on the news is ignorant and doesnt help the real battle against extremism.
- boonerbuck

You are a good poster

Yeah, I don't know about those claims tbh. I can only talk to what I saw and experienced personally.

As it stands now, it's mainly the three downtown bridges and Wellington street that are locked down.
Emergency services don't really cross the bridges (inter provincial, each side has their own services/hospitals etc) and nobody lives on Wellington.

Perhaps the Byward market got impacted but who knows.

All in all both sides are portraying the event in extremes.
CBC basically reporting a white supremacist mob has taken over - highly ridiculous.
Right Wing pundits talking about being harrased, followed, spied on - simply not happening.

Crazy times...
- Whiskey-Tango

Agreed on the point that both sides push everything to the extreme.

The defacement of the Terry Fox statue is one thing we all know happened and is unacceptable. Imagine thinking you are on the right side of history when you have to dress up the image of a true national hero in your propaganda.

Which teams wanting Miller are limited & cannot make an offer?
- Nighthawk

Anybody can make an offer. Is it what the Canucks actually need?

"Man with confederate flag told to leave by Ottawa truckers: 'We called him out'"

People make accusations without knowing poop on here. It's always been the most unreasonable forum I've been on.

- boonerbuck

With video of the dude getting ran off...

Agreed on the point that both sides push everything to the extreme.

The defacement of the Terry Fox statue is one thing we all know happened and is unacceptable. Imagine thinking you are on the right side of history when you have to dress up the image of a true national hero in your propaganda.
- NorthNuck

Far right, far left both targeting monuments... nothing new.

Far right, far left both targeting monuments... nothing new.

- boonerbuck

Which momument did vaccine supporters deface?