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sens4life1971
Ottawa Senators
Location: smiths falls, ON
Joined: 02.16.2014

Feb 2 @ 11:32 AM ET
Ya.
Tkachuk looks tired.
They all do. THey'd better rest up, it aint any easier the rest of the way.

Kevin.
Keep pointing all the failings of this coach please. Im done letting this owner off the hook for cheap stupid hires. DJ is a Junior coach out of his depth. Stifling the rebuild. He needs to go.

- Octavarium

I disagree when Sens are playing their system and playing the fast forechecking game they play great..ya can’t blame the coach cause the team comes out flat with no legs under them , they looked tired 🤷‍♂️
Think what this team will look like when players like
Tierny Sanford Gambrell brown mete Forsberg bishop sabourin Ennis
( Paul )
Are all gone with exception of Paul
Future is looking bright 😊🤙

Trade our first for a legit top RW for Stutzle to play with

Tkachuk Norris Batherson
Formenton Stutzle ????
Paul Pinto Brown
Grieg/Kastelic White Watson

Defence I’m still unsure what’s gonna play out 🤦‍♂️

Chabot Zub Holden JBD Thomson
Brannstrom Zeitsev

Goalies
Murray
Gus
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Feb 2 @ 12:42 PM ET
Lol 'put to death' Pinto. That made me laugh out loud. It's true though Kevin - it reads churlish when you bandwagon against DJ hard when the team is performing well. You gotta try to see both sides of the coin. Especially given the injuries we've had to date - the fact this team is turning heads and playing hard through adversity is really nice to see. Is that because of the coach? Maybe not, but he's part of it, so let's prime and focus on the positives every now and then - there's space for both narratives but it reads very one sided tbh.

I do think the Sens want to be big sellers at the deadline and jettison much of the commodities that rightfully draw your ire (JB does come to mind), and that's why a lot of players are seeing ice time they probably shouldn't. I think in an ideal world, Dorion would like to shed Tierney, Gambrell, White, Zaitsev, JBrown, Mete, Murray, Forsberg, even Paul (vastly overvalued by this fan base - if you can get a 3rd or 2nd, I'd take it). PD won't get all of them done (he can't, really, still need to ice a team), but what we are finally getting with this team is clarity on what pieces are needed, and where these players are at in their development. I'm really excited about what our blue line might look like next season.
Whatisavailable
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.20.2021

Feb 2 @ 2:27 PM ET
Lol 'put to death' Pinto. That made me laugh out loud. It's true though Kevin - it reads churlish when you bandwagon against DJ hard when the team is performing well. You gotta try to see both sides of the coin. Especially given the injuries we've had to date - the fact this team is turning heads and playing hard through adversity is really nice to see. Is that because of the coach? Maybe not, but he's part of it, so let's prime and focus on the positives every now and then - there's space for both narratives but it reads very one sided tbh.

I do think the Sens want to be big sellers at the deadline and jettison much of the commodities that rightfully draw your ire (JB does come to mind), and that's why a lot of players are seeing ice time they probably shouldn't. I think in an ideal world, Dorion would like to shed Tierney, Gambrell, White, Zaitsev, JBrown, Mete, Murray, Forsberg, even Paul (vastly overvalued by this fan base - if you can get a 3rd or 2nd, I'd take it). PD won't get all of them done (he can't, really, still need to ice a team), but what we are finally getting with this team is clarity on what pieces are needed, and where these players are at in their development. I'm really excited about what our blue line might look like next season.

- Bartacus

And once you get rid of all those guys, including your two goalies (WOW), you can get rid of all your picks and prospects and maybe a couple of other players to get them or their equivalent back so you can ice a team. Sounds like a well thought out plan.
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Feb 2 @ 3:48 PM ET
And once you get rid of all those guys, including your two goalies (WOW), you can get rid of all your picks and prospects and maybe a couple of other players to get them or their equivalent back so you can ice a team. Sounds like a well thought out plan.
- Whatisavailable


Gus is the goalie of the future here, move out bodies and give him time. We could easily swap either of the two I mentioned and take a pending UFA like Koskinen back with other assets - there will be no shortage of teams offering overpaid goalies in UFA years to clear space for moves. Trading Forsberg is selling high, trading Murray is selling to get out from the contract, (which to be frank, I don't think we could do even if Murray posted the same numbers he has over the past 5 games for every Sens game until the deadline, so it's moot). But I'm not sure I insinuated that I expect you trade things without contingencies coming back. Honestly I'd prefer we look to get proven or semi proven young pro assets back instead of draft picks. This isn't about selling the farm, it's about selling the assets that aren't likely in the picture next season and onwards. We won't do any justice to this team's draft prospects by making it a better squad right now, but I think this team has too much raw real talent to effectively tank, no matter what you do. So since we aren't making the playoffs, you open the doors. Flat caps mean big opportunity for teams like Ottawa that have been conservative to spend. Sens would be wise to leverage their ability to actually pay solid FA players the contracts they frankly should be getting, but won't be able to elsewhere because everyone is rammed against the ceiling. Look to right wing to bolster, and think about restocking the pipeline once we graduate all these players from Belleville next season. Seems reasonably well thought out to me, but maybe I'm wrong.
sens4life1971
Ottawa Senators
Location: smiths falls, ON
Joined: 02.16.2014

Feb 2 @ 4:13 PM ET
Gus is the goalie of the future here, move out bodies and give him time. We could easily swap either of the two I mentioned and take a pending UFA like Koskinen back with other assets - there will be no shortage of teams offering overpaid goalies in UFA years to clear space for moves. Trading Forsberg is selling high, trading Murray is selling to get out from the contract, (which to be frank, I don't think we could do even if Murray posted the same numbers he has over the past 5 games for every Sens game until the deadline, so it's moot). But I'm not sure I insinuated that I expect you trade things without contingencies coming back. Honestly I'd prefer we look to get proven or semi proven young pro assets back instead of draft picks. This isn't about selling the farm, it's about selling the assets that aren't likely in the picture next season and onwards. We won't do any justice to this team's draft prospects by making it a better squad right now, but I think this team has too much raw real talent to effectively tank, no matter what you do. So since we aren't making the playoffs, you open the doors. Flat caps mean big opportunity for teams like Ottawa that have been conservative to spend. Sens would be wise to leverage their ability to actually pay solid FA players the contracts they frankly should be getting, but won't be able to elsewhere because everyone is rammed against the ceiling. Look to right wing to bolster, and think about restocking the pipeline once we graduate all these players from Belleville next season. Seems reasonably well thought out to me, but maybe I'm wrong.
- Bartacus

Gus needs to be a full time backup goalie before he takes team over let him serve 2yrs behind Murray
As for the rest you keep Paul and trade waive or walk away from them
And trade our top pick for true RW for Stutzle 🤙
Whatisavailable
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.20.2021

Feb 2 @ 4:44 PM ET
Gus is the goalie of the future here, move out bodies and give him time. We could easily swap either of the two I mentioned and take a pending UFA like Koskinen back with other assets - there will be no shortage of teams offering overpaid goalies in UFA years to clear space for moves. Trading Forsberg is selling high, trading Murray is selling to get out from the contract, (which to be frank, I don't think we could do even if Murray posted the same numbers he has over the past 5 games for every Sens game until the deadline, so it's moot). But I'm not sure I insinuated that I expect you trade things without contingencies coming back. Honestly I'd prefer we look to get proven or semi proven young pro assets back instead of draft picks. This isn't about selling the farm, it's about selling the assets that aren't likely in the picture next season and onwards. We won't do any justice to this team's draft prospects by making it a better squad right now, but I think this team has too much raw real talent to effectively tank, no matter what you do. So since we aren't making the playoffs, you open the doors. Flat caps mean big opportunity for teams like Ottawa that have been conservative to spend. Sens would be wise to leverage their ability to actually pay solid FA players the contracts they frankly should be getting, but won't be able to elsewhere because everyone is rammed against the ceiling. Look to right wing to bolster, and think about restocking the pipeline once we graduate all these players from Belleville next season. Seems reasonably well thought out to me, but maybe I'm wrong.
- Bartacus

Replace Forsberg with Koskinen?

Get rid of players you don't value and receive proven or semi proven young pro assets in return? That would be nice.

And above all get rid of the cap space you will need to sign all the young talent coming along in the next year or two or three in order to pay other teams' FAs what they deserve but can't pay because of their cap hell situation. Lets put ourselves in a cap hell situation as well. Remember to get rid of our top picks and prospects when acquiring those FAs. Yeah! What a plan!
sens4life1971
Ottawa Senators
Location: smiths falls, ON
Joined: 02.16.2014

Feb 2 @ 5:36 PM ET
Replace Forsberg with Koskinen?

Get rid of players you don't value and receive proven or semi proven young pro assets in return? That would be nice.

And above all get rid of the cap space you will need to sign all the young talent coming along in the next year or two or three in order to pay other teams' FAs what they deserve but can't pay because of their cap hell situation. Lets put ourselves in a cap hell situation as well. Remember to get rid of our top picks and prospects when acquiring those FAs. Yeah! What a plan!

- Whatisavailable

Enough with the FA signing make a quality trade they need to concentrate on bringing in a Top RW that’s all 🤦‍♂️
Unless they can get Bergeron or Giroux then fine 🤙
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Feb 2 @ 7:50 PM ET
Pierre McGuire on the 1st intermission of the BSens game with Jack Miller! You can listen to the home audio on http://theahl.com

We have a PM sighting!!!!!!!
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Feb 2 @ 7:51 PM ET
I will reply to as many comments as the night goes while I am watching the BSens game. 2-2 after the 1st period with Syracuse.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Feb 2 @ 7:56 PM ET
Brown takes a lot of crap from the fan base, and he deserves a lot of it, but I thought last night was one of his better performances. The -1 was not his fault as Zub changed even though the puck did not get in deep, leaving a huge gap that McDavid skated through. Brown came full speed from the bench but he was not going to catch McDavid. The other thing that affected Thomson's ice time was the coach reuniting Chabot and Brannstrom for a number of shifts.
- Binker

Its pretty sad when the fanbase has to recognize a decent from Brown, when his last 8 or 9 game have been awful. I don't care if people say he is a placeholder for now, he shouldn't be in the lineup, the are just lowering his value every time he plays. The coaching staff and management say its youth movement time, then let the kids play!
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Feb 2 @ 7:57 PM ET
Gustavsson didnt return to the ice for the 2nd period, Sogaard is in the goal, no word on the injury.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Feb 2 @ 8:00 PM ET
Good for the Sens. If they keep playing like this. They will be outside of a top 10 pick. I think that would be good . They could put that pick into trade play then.
Now the real test with a depleted team begins. Line changes on the road.

- spazzbot

Yup lets see how many points they bank in those games in hand!
CooCooKaChoo
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.15.2008

Feb 2 @ 8:00 PM ET
I disagree when Sens are playing their system and playing the fast forechecking game they play great..ya can’t blame the coach cause the team comes out flat with no legs under them , they looked tired 🤷‍♂️
Think what this team will look like when players like
Tierny Sanford Gambrell brown mete Forsberg bishop sabourin Ennis
( Paul )
Are all gone with exception of Paul
Future is looking bright 😊🤙

Trade our first for a legit top RW for Stutzle to play with

Tkachuk Norris Batherson
Formenton Stutzle ????
Paul Pinto Brown
Grieg/Kastelic White Watson

Defence I’m still unsure what’s gonna play out 🤦‍♂️

Chabot Zub Holden JBD Thomson
Brannstrom Zeitsev

Goalies
Murray
Gus

- sens4life1971



I’m actually pretty okay with this lineup. I’d love for them to deal to grab a *good* vet to play RW on that second line. I could see them rolling the dice on that KHL guy though.

As long as they don’t sign a couple 33+ plugs for *veteran leadership* again next summer. Looking at this line up makes me miss mark stone that much more. He’s the perfect guy to slide in that spot.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Feb 2 @ 8:05 PM ET
I’m ok with sending Thomson down let him play with JBD as this year is a wash let them start next year fresh ,and just let them play a few games when needed 🤷‍♂️
Stutzle is just a pure Gem 💎
He plays 110% every game 🤙
The more I watch Brannstrom play the more I want this kid here he’s doing everything the right way.
Like it or not DJ has these kids playing for eachother 🤷‍♂️ So I say he’s doing his job
Let’s just hope PD don’t fk this up next year and bring in run down vets again enough is enough we need quality players who can play top 6 minutes and keep up with the kids 👍

- sens4life1971

But why not get them game experience now when there are no expectations for the team with all the injuries and covid stuff that happened? Why not get them NHL experience now when they are more than capable of playing in the NHL?
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Feb 2 @ 8:06 PM ET
I’m actually pretty okay with this lineup. I’d love for them to deal to grab a *good* vet to play RW on that second line. I could see them rolling the dice on that KHL guy though.

As long as they don’t sign a couple 33+ plugs for *veteran leadership* again next summer. Looking at this line up makes me miss mark stone that much more. He’s the perfect guy to slide in that spot.

- CooCooKaChoo

Would you offer a package for Laine to play on the RW?! He is an RFA come this summer and the Jackets are said to be possibly moving him. Thoughts?! just curious.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Feb 2 @ 8:06 PM ET
Gustavsson is out with an injury and wont be returning for the rest of the game. Mandolese was sent down to ATL in the ECHL yesterday, so gotta think he will be recalled.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Feb 2 @ 8:09 PM ET
At times of injury, it’s often times of opportunity for other players. With all the injuries to the teams centre, it’s provided an opportunity for Stu to play centre and now run with the #1C position. I had doubts the Sens would ever play him as centre, but there is no going back now. Playing with a quality winger in Brady has elevated his game. Next season, Stu could likely push the 90-point plateau.

Matt Murray deserves some credit. He has been solid ever since injuries started to mount. Will be interesting to see if this is a streak or what we can all expect.

Good win by the whole team last night. First time I have seen the Sens contain the Oilers superstars effectively.

- Gord_Wilson_2.0


Yup well said, if not for injuries we never would have saw Stutzle at center. In fact, if you have heard a few of his interviews, I guess he had be telling the coaching staff after Pinto got injured that he wanted to play center but they wouldn't do it. Just like Brannstrom begged the coaching staff to play on RD, but they wouldn't listen. Then injuries forced their hand.....low and behold we find out that Stu and Branny can play the positions they wanted to when the coaching staff wouldn't give it a look. Funny how things work out!
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Feb 2 @ 8:15 PM ET
"Sadly this coach needs to be taken to task by Sens GM Pierre Dorion in regards to how Thomson is being handled, as this fanbase has been told by both the coaching staff and management that you will see a youth movement. Enough is enough, let the kids play and stop playing Brown who is a fringe NHL defenseman at best."

While your scout source is bang on, I am doubtful it is solely for the purposes of ruining young player's careers. The discrepancy in ice time you are using as your line of critique is, largely, for two reasons:

1. Brown plays on the side of the ice further from the bench and more likely to get stuck on the ice for longer periods in between line changes than his partner, especially given how quickly Edmonton transitioned the puck in the neutral zone last night causing Brown to get hemmed in a lot on some plays. That would account for 2-3 minutes of additional time over the course of a game. You can see the trend in ice time distribution for those on the far side from the bench (Chabot, Brannstrom, Brown) always being higher relative to their partners (Zub, Holden, Thomson) throughout the game. It is a fairly consistent distribution.

2. Brown played about a 1:30 on the PK while Thomson had no shift assignments for that.

On the scout's comments front, I believe part of the reason why is because it is trade deadline season and they will be looking to profile more D men like Zaitsev and Brown and Mete who may have more value to the team now as trade assets as teams load up in Feb/Mar.

It may be partial favoritism (or merit, Zaitsev has had a pretty decent season this year when healthy) but I don't see how Dorion would be mad if he plays decently and is getting at least some interest from that come deadline day.

Thomson will get a regular shift here once the trade deadline passes, JBD and others (Sanderson....oh, man) too.

The ice time allocations and roster will look so different by the end of this season, in particular when Sanderson comes in fresh off the Olympics and riding high.

- Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuub


Solid points! Thomson got PK time in the previous 3 games though, again, far too man things this coach does with his defense makes sense.

Enough of Mete and Brown though, I think the more they play them the more they hur their value if they have any. I cant understand how any team would want either of these 2, unless they are purely looking at them as a 7/8 dman.

I truly hope once the deadline passes that we see both JBD and Thomson getting valuable NHL experience for next year!
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Feb 2 @ 8:17 PM ET
Why play Forsberg in net 🤦‍♂️
Ya paying Murray 6+million play him I don’t give rats ass if it’s bk to bk game … he needs to earn his money play him 50 games minimum 🤷‍♂️
And yes I get they need to showcase him 🤦‍♂️

- sens4life1971


Lets take it a step further, Jack Campbell played back to back nights against NJ, but DJ can't start Murray in the same situation, especially with 6 days off! Unreal! It makes no sense man.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Feb 2 @ 8:18 PM ET
JBD has left the game in the 2nd period with an injury. No update yet on his status. Heatherington scores a beauty for the BSens to tie it up at 3!
henny1953
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Aalborg
Joined: 02.10.2010

Feb 2 @ 8:53 PM ET
PM down in Bellevue sniffing around the A.H.L. to try and uncover a nugget.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Feb 2 @ 8:57 PM ET
PM down in Syracuse sniffing around the A.H.L. Crunch to try and uncover a nugget.
- henny1953
lol he's in Belleville!
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Feb 2 @ 9:39 PM ET
Replace Forsberg with Koskinen?

Get rid of players you don't value and receive proven or semi proven young pro assets in return? That would be nice.

And above all get rid of the cap space you will need to sign all the young talent coming along in the next year or two or three in order to pay other teams' FAs what they deserve but can't pay because of their cap hell situation. Lets put ourselves in a cap hell situation as well. Remember to get rid of our top picks and prospects when acquiring those FAs. Yeah! What a plan!

- Whatisavailable


All I can say is, I'm sorry you don't know what UFA means.
Whatisavailable
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.20.2021

Feb 2 @ 10:04 PM ET
All I can say is, I'm sorry you don't know what UFA means.
- Bartacus

Sens would be wise to leverage their ability to actually pay solid FA players the contracts they frankly should be getting, but won't be able to elsewhere because everyone is rammed against the ceiling.

That's copied and pasted directly from your post.

If you made a mistake and really meant to say UFAs here is a list of available UFA RWs for 2022. You've got their age, position, height, weight, current GP, G, A, and points and finally cap hit. If I were Dorion I'd be looking and if that's what you meant then I'm in agreement except I'm keeping Murray and Paul.


Philip Kessel ARI UFA 34.8 RW 6' 0" 202 R 44 5 24 29 $6,800,000
Alexander Radulov DAL UFA 36.0 RW 6' 1" 205 L 37 2 13 15 $6,250,000
Loui Eriksson ARI UFA 37.0 RW 6' 2" 179 L 35 1 8 9 $6,000,000
Dustin Brown LAK UFA 37.6 RW 6' 0" 210 R 43 6 14 20 $5,875,000
Nino Niederreiter CAR UFA 29.8 RW 6' 2" 218 L 36 13 8 21 $5,250,000
Reilly Smith VGK UFA 31.2 RW 6' 1" 183 L 44 12 18 30 $5,000,000
Cal Clutterbuck NYI UFA 34.6 RW 5' 11" 215 R 38 5 4 9 $3,500,000
Bryan Rust PIT UFA 30.1 RW 5' 11" 192 R 24 14 18 32 $3,500,000
Dmitrij Jaskin ARI UFA 29.3 RW 6' 2" 196 L 12 1 1 $3,200,000
Jay Beagle ARI UFA 36.7 RW 6' 3" 210 R 21 1 1 $3,000,000
Valeri Nichushkin COL UFA 27.3 RW 6' 4" 210 L 28 12 11 23 $2,500,000
Rocco Grimaldi NSH UFA 29.4 RW 5' 6" 180 R 7 $2,000,000
Ryan Reaves NYR UFA 35.4 RW 6' 2" 225 R 40 2 7 9 $1,750,000
Tyler Pitlick CGY UFA 30.7 RW 6' 2" 200 R 25 2 2 $1,750,000
Josh Archibald EDM UFA 29.7 RW 5' 10" 176 R $1,500,000
Alexander Barabanov SJS UFA 28.0 RW $1,000,000
Jesper Froden BOS UFA 27.8 RW $842,500
Brett Ritchie CGY UFA 29.0 RW 6' 4" 220 R 20 $900,000
Riley Barber DET UFA 28.4 RW 6' 0" 203 R 2 $800,000
Brad Richardson CGY UFA 37.4 RW 6' 0" 190 L 24 2 2 4 $800,000
Buddy Robinson ANA UFA 30.8 RW 6' 5" 225 R 21 1 3 4 $750,000
Alex Chiasson VAN UFA 31.8 RW 6' 4" 208 R 37 5 4 9 $750,000
Michael McCarron NSH UFA 27.3 RW 6' 6" 232 R 23 1 2 3 $750,000
Scott Sabourin OTT UFA 29.9 RW 6' 3" 208 R 4 $750,000
Justin Danforth CBJ UFA 29.3 RW $750,000
Kurtis Gabriel CHI UFA 29.2 RW 6' 4" 200 R 2 $750,000
Alex Belzile MTL UFA 30.8 RW $750,000
Brian Flynn NJD UFA 33.9 RW 6' 1" 183 R $750,000
Justin Bailey VAN UFA 27.0 RW 6' 4" 206 R 14 $750,000
Stefan Noesen CAR UFA 29.4 RW 6' 1" 205 R 2 $750,000
Anthony Greco SJS UFA 28.8 RW $737,500
Martin Frk LAK UFA 28.7 RW 6' 1" 205 R 2 1 1 $725,000
Logan Shaw OTT UFA 29.7 RW 6' 3" 208 R 17 1 2 3 $725,000
Seth Griffith WPG UFA 29.5 RW 5' 9" 190 R 1 $725,000
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Feb 2 @ 10:05 PM ET
Troy Mann has to love his defense.

JBD/Thomson/MDZ/Heatherington/Aspirot/Guenette to go with Gus and Sogaard in goal!

Plus if they make the playoffs, Brannstrom is eligible to play with them too!
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