Yes I agree signing Hayes and JVR were not good moves. But taking swings at elite players requires a lot of resources, thus you don't have more than one or two swings to hit the ball out of park and win.
- jd250

Both guys are good players. Not elite. Not as good as their pay check. I didn’t like either signing. At least with JVR, I saw the need, even though I thought it was 1.5 mil a year to high. The Hayes one surprised me because we had a young Patrick and Frost…who are not built to be 3rd line C’s. After watching him in NY and WPG I thought it to was an over pay on term and salary.

maybe the medical staff didnt approve? Maybe they dont like his attitude issues? Maybe chuck didnt think we needed him at the time. Could be a variety of reasons. Maybe they still think TK is gonna be a star lol. Pretty sure the thoughts on TK has changed pretty dramatically over the last year.
- bradster

Never heard a peep abut the Flyers and Eichel at all. Many other teams never them.

Not sure why buffalo would be enamored with that package. Take that same package, less the pick for now, what do you think that gets you in the current market?

Both guys are good players. Not elite. Not as good as their pay check. I didn’t like either signing. At least with JVR, I saw the need, even though I thought it was 1.5 mil a year to high. The Hayes one surprised me because we had a young Patrick and Frost…who are not built to be 3rd line C’s. After watching him in NY and WPG I thought it to was an over pay on term and salary.
- landros 2

Also had CC on the roster which never gets mentioned. There was no need for Hayes.

so 4.75 for 6 years you would give to RR?
- hello it's me 2050

6 years? Hmmm .. not sure I want to commit for that long, but if he settles for a lower AAV, he would be asking for a longer term. I would seriously consider signing Risto to this deal.

Both guys are good players. Not elite. Not as good as their pay check. I didn’t like either signing. At least with JVR, I saw the need, even though I thought it was 1.5 mil a year to high. The Hayes one surprised me because we had a young Patrick and Frost…who are not built to be 3rd line C’s. After watching him in NY and WPG I thought it to was an over pay on term and salary.
- landros 2

Yes, both contracts were big overpays, and I would argue that the Flyers did not need JVR at the time but they did need a 2nd line center since it is clear now Frost and Patrick were not ready. I just think there were better options than Hayes to fill this need, and that Fletcher bent to the will of AV which was a mistake.

https://theathletic.com/3...d-fehr-olympics-and-more/


This bodes well.

"Money being equal, which franchise would you steer your clients towards"

(Flyers ranked 3rd behind Tampa and Toronto)

Some older agents pointed out that players in Philadelphia have typically been happy for decades.....

..“The Flyers do the little things right, always have. Whether it’s making the right amenities for the players or having the right things for the wives.”

One agent pointed out how it’s not customary or required for NHL teams to give a player an NHL jersey to keep when they are called up — yes, players have to buy their own jersey in many cases — but in Philadelphia, players are given the small courtesy of getting the jersey. One agent pointed to how the team even goes out of the way to make players’ kids feel welcome.

“You play in Philly and you know the organization cares about you and your family.”

What I know for a fact is this, the GM made this team worse. That is all that matters. The majority of his moves were utter failures. They were not solid at the end of the day. You are an excuse maker.

how on earth can you say this about Ellis? You may want to say you hope.
- hello it's me 2050

Ellis was an all-star in Nashville and he clearly was showing his value to the Flyers before he got hurt. Given the nature of Ellis' injury, I have high confidence he will come back and be a very good player for this team.

Again, you cannot ignore the facts, all the facts, not just the ones you want. I seriously question if you want the Flyers to get better and succeed, or if you want them to say in misery. Firing everyone and replacing them with younger people does not guarantee success either!

Yes I agree signing Hayes and JVR were not good moves. But taking swings at elite players requires a lot of resources, thus you don't have more than one or two swings to hit the ball out of park and win.
- jd250

Hayes was a fine move. Fletcher overpaid but that was the market. Flyers needed a C badly. He was the only top 6 C available behind duchene. Hayes was going to get 6.5 mill regardless. Fletcher overpaid by 600k. People keep bringing up that they had players to fill that hole but look at the team, who could step in as a #2 C? We cant even get anyone to do it now with Hayes hurt. Laughton is not a #2 C, Frost wasnt ready, its debated whether hes ready even now and every other draft pick in the system has been a disappointment

JVR was a hextall add.

Ellis was an all-star in Nashville and he clearly was showing his value to the Flyers before he got hurt. Given the nature of Ellis' injury, I have high confidence he will come back and be a very good player for this team.

Again, you cannot ignore the facts, all the facts, not just the ones you want. I seriously question if you want the Flyers to get better and succeed, or if you want them to say in misery. Firing everyone and replacing them with younger people does not guarantee success either!
- jd250

You have high confidence he will come back and be a great player ??? He only played about 60% of the games the two seasons prior and has played 5 games total this season and is potentially not playing another for the rest of the year. Why in the world would you be confident in this guy contributing to the team?

https://theathletic.com/3...d-fehr-olympics-and-more/


This bodes well.

"Money being equal, which franchise would you steer your clients towards"

(Flyers ranked 3rd behind Tampa and Toronto)
- MBFlyerfan

One of the best country club retirement plans out there. Do not disagree.

They have to buy there own jersey, wow that is a disgrace. Never heard that before.

Ellis was an all-star in Nashville and he clearly was showing his value to the Flyers before he got hurt. Given the nature of Ellis' injury, I have high confidence he will come back and be a very good player for this team.

Again, you cannot ignore the facts, all the facts, not just the ones you want. I seriously question if you want the Flyers to get better and succeed, or if you want them to say in misery. Firing everyone and replacing them with younger people does not guarantee success either!
- jd250

Do not care what he was help me understand what he is today.

Facts are simple. This team is worse because the GM failed.

No it does not. They don't have to be young. Rather try a diff approach even if it fails. Staying the same course will guarantee failure however.

You have high confidence he will come back and be a great player ??? He only played about 60% of the games the two seasons prior and has played 5 games total this season and is potentially not playing another for the rest of the year. Why in the world would you be confident in this guy contributing to the team?
- ClaudeFather

I do have confidence in him, and maybe I will be proven wrong. We'll see.

so 4.75 for 6 years you would give to RR?
- hello it's me 2050

I would…honestly I think some of these guys may want shorter terms though, as the cap will go back up in a couple of years. I’d go as far as 2 years 12mil.

You have high confidence he will come back and be a great player ??? He only played about 60% of the games the two seasons prior and has played 5 games total this season and is potentially not playing another for the rest of the year. Why in the world would you be confident in this guy contributing to the team?
- ClaudeFather

Whats the argument? You guys want a rebuild right? If the moves fail, we suck and get the better pick. Isnt that what you want? If the moves work, they are a playoff team. Fletcher wont move our first. Hes done a good job on not moving picks and prospects. Last offseason was the first time he did and it was a shallow draft.

6 years? Hmmm .. not sure I want to commit for that long, but if he settles for a lower AAV, he would be asking for a longer term. I would seriously consider signing Risto to this deal.
- jd250

Ive got no problem extending RR for 4.75. But i'm not a hater on him like most of you guys. I think he is worth 4.5-4.75

https://theathletic.com/3...d-fehr-olympics-and-more/


This bodes well.

"Money being equal, which franchise would you steer your clients towards"

(Flyers ranked 3rd behind Tampa and Toronto)
- MBFlyerfan

This does bode well. This is also why you let G decide his fate. It may not pay off today, but in the long run players pay attention to stuff like that.

Whats the argument? You guys want a rebuild right? If the moves fail, we suck and get the better pick. Isnt that what you want? If the moves work, they are a playoff team. Fletcher wont move our first. Hes done a good job on not moving picks and prospects. Last offseason was the first time he did and it was a shallow draft.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

He also traded picks for braun, of which I have no issue with. So he has traded picks. It is how and who he is trading them for is the issue.

If they fail on their moves this summer that sets them back even further. So that really isn't what people want I do not think.

Do not care what he was help me understand what he is today.

Facts are simple. This team is worse because the GM failed.

No it does not. They don't have to be young. Rather try a diff approach even if it fails. Staying the same course will guarantee failure however.
- hello it's me 2050

The team is worse today compared to what? Last season? Or 2019 where the team really played well for only a couple of months? Or 2018 where this team had only 82 points and finished in 6th place? Its really important for all of us to put this team into perspective. Its not like the Flyers were a true contending team when Fletcher took over. They were a 6th place team with an interim coach. I wonder if this team is not better right now compared to 2018.

This does bode well. This is also why you let G decide his fate. It may not pay off today, but in the long run players pay attention to stuff like that.
- landros 2

then way haven't he flyers been bale to land the big fish in the last decade via free agency?

https://theathletic.com/3...d-fehr-olympics-and-more/


This bodes well.

"Money being equal, which franchise would you steer your clients towards"

(Flyers ranked 3rd behind Tampa and Toronto)
- MBFlyerfan

fAkE neWs!!!!1 tHe fLYeRs aRe NoT a dEsTInAtIoN!!!!!1

The team is worse today compared to what? Last season? Or 2019 where the team really played well for only a couple of months? Or 2018 where this team had only 82 points and finished in 6th place? Its really important for all of us to put this team into perspective. Its not like the Flyers were a true contending team when Fletcher took over. They were a 6th place team with an interim coach. I wonder if this team is not better right now compared to 2018.
- jd250

Are you related to Fletcher?

Perspective is they suck. No game changers in the system. There is nothing to indicate it will improve. Still not a playoff team with ex selk ellis and Hayes. At best 1st rd fodder.

What has fletcher done since he took over to improve this team going forward?

fAkE neWs!!!!1 tHe fLYeRs aRe NoT a dEsTInAtIoN!!!!!1
- Scoob

so cutting edge with upper/lower case fcs.

What elite free agents have they signed in the last decade?

Whats the argument? You guys want a rebuild right? If the moves fail, we suck and get the better pick. Isnt that what you want? If the moves work, they are a playoff team. Fletcher wont move our first. Hes done a good job on not moving picks and prospects. Last offseason was the first time he did and it was a shallow draft.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

You think if he plays we are automatically a playoff team, haaa. A rebuild would be much more than getting a higher pick, this is a ridiculous statement.

You think if he plays we are automatically a playoff team, haaa. A rebuild would be much more than getting a higher pick, this is a ridiculous statement.
- ClaudeFather

We know they will not rebuild. So what do they do to "win" now this summer and at the deadline.

We know they will not rebuild. So what do they do to "win" now this summer and at the deadline.
- hello it's me 2050

That’s the scariest part, this summer is going to set this team back another 5 years. That’s what people don’t understand