Your original premise was the Flyers shouldn't wait to make moves until the deadline. That is not specific to just Giroux.




I've clearly talked about how the price will change depending on the circumstances. In terms of Giroux, depending on what's necessary can change the asking price. For example, are the Flyers just retaining 50% to make a deal happen. Or are they retaining and taking back a contract to make it work. If it is the latter, the asking price goes up. As far as the prediction is concerned, it has been widely discussed that would be the potential asking price in a Giroux trade but you're acting like you've got inside info and have the scoop.
- MJL

If dallas starts losing and are out of it. Pavelski is very appealing.....perhaps more than G. Need Dallas to be in the thick of it, so that doesnt happen.

If they are boarder line playoff spot. IT isnt a good look to sell, while you still have Benn and Seguin and RAdulov. Those guys will want to go for it. They should be buyers

EDIT - same with winnipeg, if they are sellers. Will hurt G's return.

One thing I guarantee though is: just ignore the philosophical/moral aversion to tanking from fans. They are full of poop. They will come around. They always, always do.
- PT21

You can be against your team taking a certain path in team development and not turn your back on the team. I'm against tanking but that doesn't mean I would no longer be a fan of the team.

So if the Flyers this off season, go out and are aggressive in free agency, re-sign Ristolainen. Trade youth for more proven vets and make it to the Cup finals, are you out if they do? Because they didn't follow the path that you wanted them to take? If you say you are, well you know what you are full of.

I still have some expectations on points out of my 4th line. If they can hit 7-9 goals, perfect. But need a little production out of them.
- bradster

I think Willman and Ratcliffe could chip in, but yes every line needs to contribute. Remember the talk about Laughton being our 4th line center, now our 2nd line center,LOL. A line of Willman, Laughton, Ratcliffe could make some noise...


Depth, will we ever see it.

Risto outstanding in that game.
-Joe Nardone

Yes, he was skating hard, moving the puck out his zone much better, and his PK work was much better and more decisive.

You can be against your team taking a certain path in team development and not turn your back on the team. I'm against tanking but that doesn't mean I would no longer be a fan of the team.

So if the Flyers this off season, go out and are aggressive in free agency, re-sign Ristolainen. Trade youth for more proven vets and make it to the Cup finals, are you out if they do? Because they didn't follow the path that you wanted them to take? If you say you are, well you know what you are full of.
- MJL

why don't you ever say quality youth?

We need Kessel to miss a game

Your original premise was the Flyers shouldn't wait to make moves until the deadline. That is not specific to just Giroux.




I've clearly talked about how the price will change depending on the circumstances. In terms of Giroux, depending on what's necessary can change the asking price. For example, are the Flyers just retaining 50% to make a deal happen. Or are they retaining and taking back a contract to make it work. If it is the latter, the asking price goes up. As far as the prediction is concerned, it has been widely discussed that would be the potential asking price in a Giroux trade but you're acting like you've got inside info and have the scoop.
- MJL

I been talking about Giroux because Giroux helps this team win and he can be moved now because the price isn’t changing. You can throw Ristolainen in there as well but the Flyers are still apparently hoping to resign him. The low level dreck of the team that likely won’t return more than a 3rd anyway doesn’t matter to me because they are inconsequential as far as this team winning. Giroux significantly helps the team win which I said isn’t a great idea.

I have no inside information about the return of Giroux. What I have read has been overestimating it anyway. I just know what every trade has gone for in recent years and this will be no different. Mark Stone, Ryan Oreilly, Brayden Schenn, Pacioretty, Reinhardt. It’s all been the same return. You have to go all the way back to the Carter trade to Columbus to find a bigger return. All the GMs know this including Fletcher and are just dancing around it now to see if someone folds. It’s GMing by tradition not actual smarts.

why don't you ever say quality youth?
- hello it's me 2050

That wouldnt make a difference, he thought meyers and patrick were good quality youth.

Generational players only come around so often. I'll settle for an elite player or two. I don't know a darn thing about any of the draft eligible players but there should be some really good talent available with a top 10 pick.
- MJL

And depending on the assets obtained at the trade deadline, Fletcher should be able to trade up if they are targeting a specific player they want.

If CC agrees to be traded I shut him down until a trade happens.
- hello it's me 2050

Not smart IMO. The more and better he plays, the more teams that will want him and thus the better return for the Flyers. Its OK to shut down a player you are imminently trading a day or two before, but not months before.

We need Kessel to miss a game
- wcorvette

haha dominoes.

That fat (frank) has too much built in padding to ever get hurt.

If his job was truly in jeopardy and he made those off-season moves to keep it then wouldn’t he have been fired by now.

My personal opinion is he should been clipped w AV, but if there is one thing we know now is his job status did not motivate the moves. He thought those moves could get them over the top. That’s his job.

Obviously, that has not worked and he deserves to be accountable for that along with his predecessor, but it appears to me his leash is or was far longer than we thought.
- Joe Nardone

Fletcher's lease got shorter, there is no doubt about that given the comments from Dave Scott last week. Scott reiterated that Fletcher is his guy, however he also stated he expected the team to be much better next season and he opened up about this financial support over the last 3 years with Fletcher. The way I read his comments were Fletcher will have an opportunity to take action to move this franchise forward and move past thus bad season, but by next season if things are not significantly better Fletcher is gone.

I been talking about Giroux because Giroux helps this team win and he can be moved now because the price isn’t changing. You can throw Ristolainen in there as well but the Flyers are still apparently hoping to resign him. The low level dreck of the team that likely won’t return more than a 3rd anyway doesn’t matter to me because they are inconsequential as far as this team winning. Giroux significantly helps the team win which I said isn’t a great idea.

I have no inside information about the return of Giroux. What I have read has been overestimating it anyway. I just know what every trade has gone for in recent years and this will be no different. Mark Stone, Ryan Oreilly, Brayden Schenn, Pacioretty, Reinhardt. It’s all been the same return. You have to go all the way back to the Carter trade to Columbus to find a bigger return. All the GMs know this including Fletcher and are just dancing around it now to see if someone folds. It’s GMing by tradition not actual smarts.
- psuhockey

Moved now to who? Which teams are ready to make a deal, and have the cap space and would be on Giroux's list of which he has total control, and have players they are willing to trade that would make the deal worthwhile for both sides?

I been talking about Giroux because Giroux helps this team win and he can be moved now because the price isn’t changing. You can throw Ristolainen in there as well but the Flyers are still apparently hoping to resign him. The low level dreck of the team that likely won’t return more than a 3rd anyway doesn’t matter to me because they are inconsequential as far as this team winning. Giroux significantly helps the team win which I said isn’t a great idea.

I have no inside information about the return of Giroux. What I have read has been overestimating it anyway. I just know what every trade has gone for in recent years and this will be no different. Mark Stone, Ryan Oreilly, Brayden Schenn, Pacioretty, Reinhardt. It’s all been the same return. You have to go all the way back to the Carter trade to Columbus to find a bigger return. All the GMs know this including Fletcher and are just dancing around it now to see if someone folds. It’s GMing by tradition not actual smarts.
- psuhockey

What are the possible places you see him going, and what position does he play?

haha dominoes.

That fat (frank) has too much built in padding to ever get hurt.

- MBFlyerfan

He is a bit like Voracek. Perpetual accusations of being out of shape, but a beast on the ice, and rarely/never misses a game.

He is a bit like Voracek. Perpetual accusations of being out of shape, but a beast on the ice, and rarely/never misses a game.
- PT21

Yeah its been a running joke for years. Bottom line reality is that Kessel has had a borderline HOF career and my money says he is.

Time to bust out this gem.

https://twitter.com/Benst...tatus/1488882400285413378

from Friendman.....25. So, what are the Kings looking for? Left-shot D, preferentially with some size.

Quick someone tell the kings that Sanhiem has size.

Not smart IMO. The more and better he plays, the more teams that will want him and thus the better return for the Flyers. Its OK to shut down a player you are imminently trading a day or two before, but not months before.
- jd250

I think the book is out on how CC plays don't you think? Teams know what they are getting at this point.

you disagree with sitting out which is fine.

If dallas starts losing and are out of it. Pavelski is very appealing.....perhaps more than G. Need Dallas to be in the thick of it, so that doesnt happen.

If they are boarder line playoff spot. IT isnt a good look to sell, while you still have Benn and Seguin and RAdulov. Those guys will want to go for it. They should be buyers

EDIT - same with winnipeg, if they are sellers. Will hurt G's return.
- bradster

Regardless of what other teams do, I think G will be a highly sought after asset at the deadline and if traded the Flyers should get a haul.

Moved now to who? Which teams are ready to make a deal, and have the cap space and would be on Giroux's list of which he has total control, and have players they are willing to trade that would make the deal worthwhile for both sides?
- MBFlyerfan

The only team that has been speculated on his list is the avalanche. I don’t know of anywhere else he would want to go. If it’s the Colorado you are looking at a 2023 1st, a 2nd level prospect (read Drew Helleson as a possibility-rhd played with York-on Olympic team- sounds like someone Fletch would target to me) and something else. That something else would have to have salary. The Flyers will likely retain half on Giroux so depending on when the trade happens either Compher or Jost. Sadly I see Fletcher getting rolled in any deal his does so it will end up probably being less. But moving Giroux now likely puts the Flyers in the top 3-5 of the draft which will be beneficial even if Fletcher gets rollled by Sakic.

Yeah its been a running joke for years. Bottom line reality is that Kessel has had a borderline HOF career and my money says he is.
- MBFlyerfan

Oh is he considered borderline? I thought he was a shoo-in...

What are the possible places you see him going, and what position does he play?
- PT21

I see him going to the team he wants to go to,,,,Not up to Flyers up to G..if he goes anywhere. He will play either C or wing dependent on teams needs

I think the book is out on how CC plays don't you think? Teams know what they are getting at this point.

you disagree with sitting out which is fine.
- hello it's me 2050

Yes, but as the deadline approaches they want to see him playing and know he is healthy so they can evaluate him for their team

Regardless of what other teams do, I think G will be a highly sought after asset at the deadline and if traded the Flyers should get a haul.
- jd250

If you mean a haul being a 1st and a B prospect I would agree. Totally depends though on how many teams he agrees to be traded to if any.