These are the guys they added earlier this season:

Mike O'Connell: the guy who traded Jumbo to the Sharks, lol. He's another "Senior Advisor", lol. Age 66.

Nick Beverley: not much to say about him... worked for the Preds as a pro scout. He's gonna continue to do that here. Age 74.

Matt Bardsley: worked for the Portland Winterhawks as a scout and AGM. Maybe had a hand in them unearthing dudes like RyJo, Dubinsky in later rounds of the bantam draft. He's gonna be an amateur scout here. Ridiculously punchable face. Age 50.

A couple of other guys got promoted internally.

So overall nothing really exciting. Just more dinosaurs to add to our little Jurassic Park.
- Tomahawk

Great. Just (frank)ing great. I strongly suspected as much, but it's even worse than I thought.

I respect your posts and position BUT it appears the one thing that you aren't addressing on price is a reactionary move changes price. If the Avs went out and got Pavelski, then perhaps a team like Vegas, Tampa or Boston (etc) may feel heat to match the move rather than risk being outgunned. Nuclear deterrents happen often...price changes due to scarcity of resources and/or desperation.
- juiced

I know I talk more so in absolutes than I should because there is always the possibility that something will happen out of the ordinary, so you are correct there could be a bidding war but until there is an actual trade with a higher return than there has been in recent years, I won’t believe it will happen.

I do since most GMs know others have to save face. I don’t think Giroux would screw with the franchise and only give one team but I also know the franchise will want to do right by him and give him his preferred destination. My worry about Fletcher is he will value another 2nd level prospect more so than the 1st. It’s like the Simmonds trade where there was a rumor that he could have had a 2nd rd pick but chose Hartman instead because he wanted a player in return.
- psuhockey

Flyers have no choice but to give G his desired location. He will be the one telling them which team or teams he will accept a trade to IF ANY

Flyers have no choice but to give G his desired location. He will be the one telling them which team or teams he will accept a trade to IF ANY
- hfc355

the best part is the other teams wont know where he is, or is not willing to go. But if really wants to win,,, it couple be a number of teams he wants to go to.

the best part is the other teams wont know where he is, or is not willing to go. But if really wants to win,,, it couple be a number of teams he wants to go to.
- bradster

Not so sure he is going to be willing to waive for a 1 in 16 shot at the cup...we shall see but keep IMO if he waives it will be to just a couple of East coast teams close proximity to home

These are the guys they added earlier this season:

Mike O'Connell: the guy who traded Jumbo to the Sharks, lol. He's another "Senior Advisor", lol. Age 66.

Nick Beverley: not much to say about him... worked for the Preds as a pro scout. He's gonna continue to do that here. Age 74.

Matt Bardsley: worked for the Portland Winterhawks as a scout and AGM. Maybe had a hand in them unearthing dudes like RyJo, Dubinsky in later rounds of the bantam draft. He's gonna be an amateur scout here. Ridiculously punchable face. Age 50.

A couple of other guys got promoted internally.

So overall nothing really exciting. Just more dinosaurs to add to our little Jurassic Park.
- Tomahawk

O'Connell is an advisor specifically related to the efforts to beef up the development program. After leaving Boston, he largely oversaw LA's development for years when it was considered one of the most successful in the NHL. Nearing retirement, and came back east to be closer to his grandkids.

Beverley: Yes, another older scout. Has been in the game a long, long time as a player, coach and scout.

Bardsley: Had a good rep and long tenure in Portland

the best part is the other teams wont know where he is, or is not willing to go. But if really wants to win,,, it couple be a number of teams he wants to go to.
- bradster

word will get out as he talks to other players on said teams.

Not playing with poop players helps.

Now time for Yeo to free Frost, too.
- Tomahawk

He really brings a good balance to a line, good on the walls, sound structured game, will go to the net. Doesn’t do anything really well but does a lot of little things right.

I been talking about Giroux because Giroux helps this team win and he can be moved now because the price isn’t changing. You can throw Ristolainen in there as well but the Flyers are still apparently hoping to resign him. The low level dreck of the team that likely won’t return more than a 3rd anyway doesn’t matter to me because they are inconsequential as far as this team winning. Giroux significantly helps the team win which I said isn’t a great idea.

I have no inside information about the return of Giroux. What I have read has been overestimating it anyway. I just know what every trade has gone for in recent years and this will be no different. Mark Stone, Ryan Oreilly, Brayden Schenn, Pacioretty, Reinhardt. It’s all been the same return. You have to go all the way back to the Carter trade to Columbus to find a bigger return. All the GMs know this including Fletcher and are just dancing around it now to see if someone folds. It’s GMing by tradition not actual smarts.
- psuhockey

You're right, you don't have any inside information so why do you keep stating that the price isn't changing as if it is a fact?

You stated earlier that Giroux will be traded for an "A" asset and a "B" asset. Now here you state that with those players, it will all be the same return

Stone was traded to Vegas along with a prospect for a Vegas roster player, a prospect and a 2nd round pick.

O'Reilly was traded for 2 players, a first and a second round pick.

Brayden Schenn was traded for Lehtera and two first round picks.

Pacioretty was traded for Tatar, Suzuki and a second round pick

Buffalo received a goalie prospect and a first rounder from Florida

Only one of the names you mentioned fits your assessment of what the return will be. Seems as though you don't have the facts.

I respect your posts and position BUT it appears the one thing that you aren't addressing on price is a reactionary move changes price. If the Avs went out and got Pavelski, then perhaps a team like Vegas, Tampa or Boston (etc) may feel heat to match the move rather than risk being outgunned. Nuclear deterrents happen often...price changes due to scarcity of resources and/or desperation.
- juiced

There are many, many factors that can change the market heading into the deadline.

If his job was truly in jeopardy and he made those off-season moves to keep it then wouldn’t he have been fired by now.

My personal opinion is he should been clipped w AV, but if there is one thing we know now is his job status did not motivate the moves. He thought those moves could get them over the top. That’s his job.

Obviously, that has not worked and he deserves to be accountable for that along with his predecessor, but it appears to me his leash is or was far longer than we thought.
- Joe Nardone

I think as long as Bob Clarke is in Dave Scott's ear pumping him full of BS about Fletcher's abilities to build a winner, than Chuck's job is safe.

So to not always dwell on the negative, my 3 big positives this season so far are:

1. Carter Hart - he is clearly a top goalie in his league
2. Cam York - he clearly belongs and will only get better once he gets away from Yandle
3. Oscar Lindblom - he may not be a top line player, but he is showing he will be a solid player in the top 9.
- jd250

Wasn't that long ago when you wrote Lindblom off as a player.

I know I talk more so in absolutes than I should because there is always the possibility that something will happen out of the ordinary, so you are correct there could be a bidding war but until there is an actual trade with a higher return than there has been in recent years, I won’t believe it will happen.
- psuhockey

You don't seem to be considering that the price could also be lower than suggested. I personally think a lot of fans are going to be disappointed with the trade deadline results.

Wasn't that long ago when you wrote Lindblom off as a player.
- MJL

Hey jd250, you forgot you are not allowed to reassess and change you mind at all. You must be very closed minded and not open to new thoughts. Carry on

Time to bust out this gem.

https://twitter.com/Benst...tatus/1488882400285413378
- MBFlyerfan

LOL

I wish the organization would realize this. Step one would be to sit Yandle and get Zamula into the lineup. Followed by:
Shop and trade Jones and see what Sandstrom can do
Put Frost on a line with legit NHL players
and
Move Ratcliffe to L3 and see what the kid has
- BiggE

Hopefully all these things happen.
- landros 2

We'd be lucky if any of one them happens. They won't. (not this season anyway)

Yes and apparently Groundhog Phil saw his shadow. Six more weeks of winter...
- hockeylover

It's already spring down here.

- Tomahawk

"Not funny." — Scoob, 2/2/21

You're right, you don't have any inside information so why do you keep stating that the price isn't changing as if it is a fact?

You stated earlier that Giroux will be traded for an "A" asset and a "B" asset. Now here you state that with those players, it will all be the same return

Stone was traded to Vegas along with a prospect for a Vegas roster player, a prospect and a 2nd round pick.

O'Reilly was traded for 2 players, a first and a second round pick.

Brayden Schenn was traded for Lehtera and two first round picks.

Pacioretty was traded for Tatar, Suzuki and a second round pick

Buffalo received a goalie prospect and a first rounder from Florida

Only one of the names you mentioned fits your assessment of what the return will be. Seems as though you don't have the facts.
- MJL

So I stated the trade will be for an “A” asset which is a 1st round pick or good prospect, and “B” asset which is a 2nd round pick or second level prospect, and something else. I also said the “B” asset could be upgraded to an “A” asset with a salary dump. That’s verbatim of what I said

Stone was traded for Erik Brannstrom, and 2nd round pick and Oscar Lindberg. Brannstrom was a former 1st round pick at 15th overall and was at the time considered a very good prospect. There’s the “A” asset. A 2nd round pick. That’s the “B” asset. And Oscar Lindberg who was a 27 year old bottom of the roster throw in. There’s the something else.

Oreilly was traded for a 1st rd pick “A” asset, Tage Thompson, a former 1st rd pick who struggled his post draft years (“B” asset) and two cap dumps. Even if you consider Thompson an “A” which no one considered him a good prospect at the time the two cap dumps make up the difference.

Brayden Schenn was moved for two “A” assets and a cap dump. So the “B” asset was upgraded to an “A” when Hextall took Lehtera.

Pacioretty was traded for Suzuki, a good prospect “A” asset, a 2nd rd pick “B” asset and Tatar who at that point of his career was something else bottom of the roster player.

Buffalo go a 1st round pick “A” and a 2nd level goaltender prospect “B” asset. They didn’t receive a something else so you got me there.

How exactly do those trades not fit what I said?

Giroux’s got his kid on the plane to the all star game so all of that talk about refusing to move his kid during Covid goes out the window now I think.

Giroux’s got his kid on the plane to the all star game so all of that talk about refusing to move his kid during Covid goes out the window now I think.
- hereticpride

I didn't understand any of that talk. Why couldn't he take his family with him for 2 months.

"Not funny." — Scoob, 2/2/21
- Bendecko

lol - correct, I don't find him funny, therefore, I have not seen that movie.

So I stated the trade will be for an “A” asset which is a 1st round pick or good prospect, and “B” asset which is a 2nd round pick or second level prospect, and something else. I also said the “B” asset could be upgraded to an “A” asset with a salary dump. That’s verbatim of what I said

Stone was traded for Erik Brannstrom, and 2nd round pick and Oscar Lindberg. Brannstrom was a former 1st round pick at 15th overall and was at the time considered a very good prospect. There’s the “A” asset. A 2nd round pick. That’s the “B” asset. And Oscar Lindberg who was a 27 year old bottom of the roster throw in. There’s the something else.

Oreilly was traded for a 1st rd pick “A” asset, Tage Thompson, a former 1st rd pick who struggled his post draft years (“B” asset) and two cap dumps. Even if you consider Thompson an “A” which no one considered him a good prospect at the time the two cap dumps make up the difference.

Brayden Schenn was moved for two “A” assets and a cap dump. So the “B” asset was upgraded to an “A” when Hextall took Lehtera.

Pacioretty was traded for Suzuki, a good prospect “A” asset, a 2nd rd pick “B” asset and Tatar who at that point of his career was something else bottom of the roster player.

Buffalo go a 1st round pick “A” and a 2nd level goaltender prospect “B” asset. They didn’t receive a something else so you got me there.

How exactly do those trades not fit what I said?
- psuhockey

From your post

"Mark Stone, Ryan Oreilly, Brayden Schenn, Pacioretty, Reinhardt. It’s all been the same return."

They weren't for the same return. They were all different. As an example, Schenn is the only deal there that included two first round picks.

You stated that the return for Giroux would include an A and a B asset. That's two, count em', two assets. Some of those deals had 4 assets in return. It's worse than I thought

I didn't understand any of that talk. Why couldn't he take his family with him for 2 months.
- bradster

Seriously. Someone was trying to say cause his kid is in school. His kid is 3 lol. I think they’re teaching the same basic shapes and colors everywhere

I didn't understand any of that talk. Why couldn't he take his family with him for 2 months.
- bradster

to expensive