Ugh Claude beaten by a girl trade him 😆

How does a player who for years coasts around the ice for shifts, periods, and game get to be the 2nd all time franchise points leader, all time PP point leader, 7 time all star, 2 time top 5 Hart trophy finalist?
- MJL

The same way you can continue to post here despite your opinions changing with the wind.

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my boy



Stick with Fletcher, Dave..... (frank)ing morons

Claude is one of the all time individual performing Flyers! I think most folks would agree.
Some of us would not rank him as high in the leadership category.
It’s a difference of analytics vs the eye test. This game is not always played on paper or spreadsheet.
- Hosher12

More of the same from you. No substance. Giroux racked up those point totals and those accolades on the ice. Not on paper or a spreadsheet.

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my boy



Stick with Fletcher, Dave..... (frank)ing morons
- THE BLACK HAND

Pat Verbeek with his background with Yzerman would've been a good choice also.

More of the same from you. No substance. Giroux racked up those point totals and those accolades on the ice. Not on paper or a spreadsheet.

- MJL

I see you’re here all day everyday. Ever heard of a life? Try it sometime.

More of the same from you. No substance. Giroux racked up those point totals and those accolades on the ice. Not on paper or a spreadsheet.

- MJL

I was agreeing with you! Play nice! I bet we agree on a lot of things. Plus I made you laugh too.

I see you’re here all day everyday. Ever heard of a life? Try it sometime.
- Quetzalcoatl

So if you see me here all day everyday. That must mean that you're here all day everyday.

So if you see me here all day everyday. That must mean that you're here all day everyday.

- MJL

Nice to see you on a laughing mood!

I was agreeing with you! Play nice! I bet we agree on a lot of things. Plus I made you laugh too.
- Hosher12

The narrative that the Flyers have not done well is due to Giroux's lack of leadership is just false. The reality is that the franchise let him down and wasted the career of one of the best players in franchise history.

The narrative that the Flyers have not done well is due to Giroux's lack of leadership is just false. The reality is that the franchise let him down and wasted the career of one of the best players in franchise history.
- MJL

What no laugh emoji? You have your narrative, I have my opinion.
I do agree the organization did let him and the fans down because ultimately the management is most responsible to make those decisions.
See we can agree unless you want to find an issue with me agreeing with you.

What no laugh emoji? You have your narrative, I have my opinion.
I do agree the organization did let him and the fans down because ultimately the management is most responsible to make those decisions.
See we can agree unless you want to find an issue with me agreeing with you.
- Hosher12

What I have an issue with is your opinion that you really haven't supported in any manner. It started with the Recchi comparison and went down hill from there. As I expected it would. I think we're done here. Or at least I am.

What I have an issue with is your opinion that you really haven't supported in any manner. It started with the Recchi comparison and went down hill from there. As I expected it would. I think we're done here. Or at least I am.
- MJL

See we agree again!

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- THE BLACK HAND

Claude is one of the all time individual performing Flyers! I think most folks would agree.
Some of us would not rank him as high in the leadership category.
It’s a difference of analytics vs the eye test. This game is not always played on paper or spreadsheet.
- Hosher12

And how do you "rank" leadership? What about Giroux tells you he isnt a good leader?

People put too much stock into little things they cant measure. Even the C and the A are meaningless. The "Captain" of a team is really nothing more than a face. A leader leads, they dont need letters own their jerseys. Teams often have many guys without letters who lead in their own way. Giroux leads by example. This isnt a movie. There is no vocal guy who is going to stand up and inspire this team to be a contender.

The C is really nothing more than a guy who is allowed to speak with officials about calls and not get an unsportsmanlike penalty and serves as the Face of the leadership group.

The Leaders in the Flyers locker room regardless of Letters are Giroux, Hayes, Couturier, Braun, Laughton, Atkinson, Brasssard, Yandle. The Vets leads.

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my boy



Stick with Fletcher, Dave..... (frank)ing morons
- THE BLACK HAND

They also interviewed Chiarelli..........

Pat Verbeek with his background with Yzerman would've been a good choice also.
- MJL

He was named GM of Anaheim

They also interviewed Chiarelli..........
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

That's the GM that they deserve. (frank) the 'Hawks.

He was named GM of Anaheim
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Yes, I'm aware. Which is why I used would've instead of would.

The “Captain Comfort” comments. If we attack him for not being what he was 4 or 5 years ago, where’s the line? In my opinion, Giroux should be untouchable in terms of criticism as a leader.
- SuperSchennBros

It is Captain Comfortable. Get it right.

Why should he be untouchable as a leader?

The narrative that the Flyers have not done well is due to Giroux's lack of leadership is just false. The reality is that the franchise let him down and wasted the career of one of the best players in franchise history.
- MJL

He has also wasted his own career by not asking to be removed years ago. He is complacent as can be. That is the reality as well.

Is the organization letting ex selke down as well?

How does a player who for years coasts around the ice for shifts, periods, and game get to be the 2nd all time franchise points leader, all time PP point leader, 7 time all star, 2 time top 5 Hart trophy finalist?
- MJL

Most, if not all, the criticism of Giroux I keep seeing around here is flat out asinine.

It’s not Claude Giroux’s fault that:

The Flyers have rarely had quality goaltending during his career

That the team never committed itself to the full rebuild it badly needed by 2014

That the organization has not drafted a quality center since taking Couturier in 2011

That their one top 5 pick was a complete bust

That Chuck Fletcher is a lousy GM or that Chuck’s handpicked coached crapped the bed

The NHL is not the NBA where adding one or two superstars can completely turn a team around (see Oilers, Edmonton). It is a team sport and only once in a lifetime players like Orr, Gretzky or Lemieux can do what many folks here want Giroux to do.

Claude Giroux doesn’t get nearly the respect he deserves. IMO, he’s the 5th best player to ever wear the orange and black behind only Clarke, Lindros, Parent & Howe.

Most, if not all, the criticism of Giroux I keep seeing around here is flat out asinine.

It’s not Claude Giroux’s fault that:

The Flyers have rarely had quality goaltending during his career

That the team never committed itself to the full rebuild it badly needed by 2014

That the organization has not drafted a quality center since taking Couturier in 2011

That their one top 5 pick was a complete bust

That Chuck Fletcher is a lousy GM or that Chuck’s handpicked coached crapped the bed

The NHL is not the NBA where adding one or two superstars can completely turn a team around (see Oilers, Edmonton). It is a team sport and only once in a lifetime players like Orr, Gretzky or Lemieux can do what many folks here want Giroux to do.

Claude Giroux doesn’t get nearly the respect he deserves. IMO, he’s the 5th best player to ever wear the orange and black behind only Clarke, Lindros, Parent & Howe.
- BiggE

As the captain does he bear any responsibility for the constant slow starts year after year? Or the multiple horrendous losing streaks this team has endured?

Lets be clear this has nothing to do with his talent and skill. That speaks for itself.

As the captain does he bear any responsibility for the constant slow starts year after year? Or the multiple horrendous losing streaks this team has endured?

Lets be clear this has nothing to do with his talent and skill. That speaks for itself.
- hello it's me 2050

Giroux has been their best player during these last 2 long losing streaks, what else do you want from him? As far as the slow starts, that’s on the coaches. Giroux has no power to bench players or scratch them. Ask yourself why, under coaches like Keenan or Hitchcock, the Flyers always came out ready to play? The answer is that they knew their asses would either be glued to the bench or in the press box if they weren’t ready to go all out.

The failures of this team over the past decade are on management, not the captain.

Giroux has been their best player during these last 2 long losing streaks, what else do you want from him? As far as the slow starts, that’s on the coaches. Giroux has no power to bench players or scratch them. Ask yourself why, under coaches like Keenan or Hitchcock, the Flyers always came out ready to play? The answer is that they knew their asses would either be glued to the bench or in the press box if they weren’t ready to go all out.

The failures of this team over the past decade are on management, not the captain.
- BiggE

So as the captain you are saying he bears no responsibility. Understood. There are things a captain can do to get his team going. You know this.

Again it has nothing to do with him being the best he player per say. Both are separate issues imo.

I also think Poulin and def Primeau had a hand in that as well. They didn't like either coach. The captain was the buffer and made sure the coaches message was getting across. Cant keep blaming the coaches when he has had how many?