Its G's right, however it doesn't make sense to the Flyers unless there are at least 5 teams he is willing to go to, given there will be other good forwards on the market at the deadline.
- jd250

if there is not 5 teams then what?

Thats funny because when Couturier, Hayes, Brassard and any other guy got hurt for the hundredth time you put that on the medical staff yet the same exact thing is why Ellis is out but thats Fletchers fault. The only joke bigger than the Flyers this season is your opinions.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The on ice product the last decade has really proven me wrong. If only I was a member of the future is bright brigade I'd look like a genius.

I think it is pretty fair to say it is 100% that it be a playoff bound team. He will not waive to go to a team that is out of it.

I mean, I don't know the guy personally but I have a strong feeling that will be the case.
- MBFlyerfan

I know this wanted that poster to answer.

I don't think Joe Sakic believes in giving up prized prospects for the sake of star veteran talent, or even signing them as FAs. Iirc all the guys he has brought in from outside recently: Kadri, Burakowsky, Girard, Nichuschkin were young to very young.

Last year, conspicuously, after Mackinnon expressed frustration, after Kadri took yet another critical suspension, after their D got both bullied and showed their inexperience, what did he do? Nothing: brought back Kadri, no veteran help in D (same guys, not Seth Jones), resigned Landeskog.

So Newhook/Bowens for a 34 year old rental: Yeah, could happen but seems very out of character.

Thats funny because when Couturier, Hayes, Brassard and any other guy got hurt for the hundredth time you put that on the medical staff yet the same exact thing is why Ellis is out but thats Fletchers fault. The only joke bigger than the Flyers this season is your opinions.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The medical staff is a cluster(frank), and Fletcher traded for an injury prone player. Not really difficult to comprehend.

Newhook or bust? You guys are gonna be really disappointed by the return for G. There's other quality players available and a NMC involved...
- Tomahawk

Giving up a guy who seems to be a sure thing, is contributing already at the NHL level, and cost controlled on a team heading towards some tough decisions cap wise for a rental. Makes logical sense right? Folks need to get real here.

The on ice product the last decade has really proven me wrong. If only I was a member of the future is bright brigade I'd look like a genius.
- PLindbergh31

Proiduct on the ice has been fine some years not other years. Every situation has been different. Dont act like there is anything special guessing whether on not the team will suck. They either do or they dont. Its 50/50. They have been a bubble team for the longest time. The teams back and forth between playoffs and missing is nothing that was unexpected. This season is something else but its easy to see why this team has struggled so badly.

Like I said Laughton as #2 C. 34 year old Giroux as #1C. We all agree his isnt the type of player to carry the team anymore yet that is the position he is currently in

NMC is not an issue he will waive it regardless. He may have a preference but he isnt going to stay here. He's going to a new team. He might not say it but there is frustration with this this team. He wants out while he has a chance to go to a contender. If Fletcher asks him to waive he will do it.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

When's the last time a player close to 35 netted a blue chip prospect at the TDL? Seems teams just don't make those kinds of wild gambles anymore.

I think G will fetch something along the lines of what WPG paid to get Stastny, who had a NTC (1st, 4th, C-prospect). That was with STL eating 50% too.

Giving up a guy who seems to be a sure thing, is contributing already at the NHL level, and cost controlled on a team heading towards some tough decisions cap wise for a rental. Makes logical sense right? Folks need to get real here.
- ClaudeFather

If the target is Alex Newhook, be prepared to trade Carter Hart for him.

Teams aren't throwing away blue chip kids for older vets anymore, not with a flat cap.

The medical staff is a cluster(frank), and Fletcher traded for an injury prone player. Not really difficult to comprehend.
- PLindbergh31

Injury prone yet he has never had an injury plagued season like this

2021-22 - Missed 41 games So Far. Likely done for season
2020-21 - Missed 21 games
2019-20 - Missed 20 games
2018-19 - Missed 0 games
2017-18 - Missed 38 Games
2016-17 - Missed 11 games
2015-16 - Missed 3 Games
2014-15 - Missed 24 Games
2013-14 - Missed 2 Games

So other than one other season where he missed 38 games he hasnt often missed that many games. Injuries happen however they generally dont happen this badly. Ellis this season has been no different than Hayes. He was hurt played through preseason hurt, and had to leave the lineup, came back got hurt again.

Injury prone yet he has never had an injury plagued season like this

2021-22 - Missed 41 games So Far. Likely done for season
2020-21 - Missed 21 games
2019-20 - Missed 20 games
2018-19 - Missed 0 games
2017-18 - Missed 38 Games
2016-17 - Missed 11 games
2015-16 - Missed 3 Games
2014-15 - Missed 24 Games
2013-14 - Missed 2 Games

So other than one other season where he missed 38 games he hasnt often missed that many games. Injuries happen however they generally dont happen this badly. Ellis this season has been no different than Hayes. He was hurt played through preseason hurt, and had to leave the lineup, came back got hurt again.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

20 games is a lot to miss, especially for a bubble team.
Also, aren’t the past two seasons shortened seasons?

20 games is a lot to miss, especially for a bubble team
- ClaudeFather

Injury prone guys don't suddenly become more durable in their 30s either.

It was a reckless gamble by Fletch, even though Ellis is probably the best blueliner they've had here since Kimmo... when healthy.

Injury prone guys don't suddenly become more durable in their 30s either.

It was a reckless gamble by Fletch, even though Ellis is probably the best blueliner they've had here since Kimmo... when healthy
- Tomahawk

what was more reckless in your opinion the RR trade or the Ellis trade?

Injury prone guys don't suddenly become more durable in their 30s either.

It was a reckless gamble by Fletch, even though Ellis is probably the best blueliner they've had here since Kimmo... when healthy.
- Tomahawk

Great player , doesn’t play. Our team stinks and we needed him. The GM still has a job after an off season of trades and spending assets and it turning into two 10+ Game losing streaks and we are out of the playoff race with almost half a season to go. The GM actually got a vote of confidence by the CEO or whatever he is. Imagine that.

what was more reckless in your opinion the RR trade or the Ellis trade?
- hello it's me 2050

Ellis. Term on the deal + injury history. Nashville got a nice mulligan there.

(I really hate RR and that poopty trade too)

The NMC will be waived, that is not an issue. Yes, there will be other forwards available at the deadline, however there will also be more than 1 contending team looking for a forward and thus G will be highly sought after. As I stated, no way Colorado is trading Newhook for G straight up, but what if the Flyers sweetened the deal by covering G's $1.6M owed and adding a pick or prospect?
- jd250

The Flyers can't cover what is left on Giroux's deal. Most they can retain is 50%. The idea is for the Flyers to attain picks and prospects. Not to give them up.

what was more reckless in your opinion the RR trade or the Ellis trade?
- hello it's me 2050

I’d say Ellis since the flyers are committed to him for a few more years.
RR we can cut bait at the end of the season.

The Flyers can't cover what is left on Giroux's deal. Most they can retain is 50%. The idea is for the Flyers to attain picks and prospects. Not to give them up.
- MJL

So you wouldn't give up a pick to get a better player?

20 games is a lot to miss, especially for a bubble team
- ClaudeFather

Its not that much. Twenty games means we have him for approx 62 games. Thats a huge a difference to the team rather than 4 games. Despite the small sample size the team was a lot better with him in the line up than without. It doesnt change the forward injury issues but it adds more stability on D. Ellis is a better skater and better puck mover than Braun and Braun could help out with Yandle's deficiencies. Yandle didnt work out but it is a league minimum deal that ends this season.

Ghost might be better buit his cap hit is much higher and it is clear as day he couldnt hack it in a city like Philly with the pressure. Its no surprise a change in scenery helped him going to a team thats going to struggle selling out in a 5k seat arena

Great player , doesn’t play. Our team stinks and we needed him. The GM still has a job after an off season of trades and spending assets and it turning into two 10+ Game losing streaks and we are out of the playoff race with almost half a season to go. The GM actually got a vote of confidence by the CEO or whatever he is. Imagine that.
- ClaudeFather

As Lavi would say, Philadelphia typical.

So you wouldn't give up a pick to get a better player?
- hello it's me 2050

Not that it will happen because I believe it wont. But in this case I would absolutely throw a pick in to get Newhook.

Its not that much. Twenty games means we have him for approx 62 games. Thats a huge a difference to the team rather than 4 games. Despite the small sample size the team was a lot better with him in the line up than without. It doesnt change the forward injury issues but it adds more stability on D. Ellis is a better skater and better puck mover than Braun and Braun could help out with Yandle's deficiencies. Yandle didnt work out but it is a league minimum deal that ends this season.

Ghost might be better buit his cap hit is much higher and it is clear as day he couldnt hack it in a city like Philly with the pressure. Its no surprise a change in scenery helped him going to a team thats going to struggle selling out in a 5k seat arena
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

25% of the season is not much?

Not that it will happen because I believe it wont. But in this case I would absolutely throw a pick in to get Newhook.
- MBFlyerfan

agree on both ends.

Its not that much. Twenty games means we have him for approx 62 games. Thats a huge a difference to the team rather than 4 games. Despite the small sample size the team was a lot better with him in the line up than without. It doesnt change the forward injury issues but it adds more stability on D. Ellis is a better skater and better puck mover than Braun and Braun could help out with Yandle's deficiencies. Yandle didnt work out but it is a league minimum deal that ends this season.

Ghost might be better buit his cap hit is much higher and it is clear as day he couldnt hack it in a city like Philly with the pressure. Its no surprise a change in scenery helped him going to a team thats going to struggle selling out in a 5k seat arena
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

20 games is not that much for a playoff bubble team to be without their top defenseman?

Not buying that Gostisbehere couldn't handle the pressure here.

25% of the season is not much?
- hello it's me 2050

what was more reckless in your opinion the RR trade or the Ellis trade?
- hello it's me 2050

Risto.

Ellis cost was nothing really. Myers and NoPa. Neither was working out. Ellis is signed until 37. If he retires early for whatever reason we arent strapped with the cap hit. If injuries are an issue, we can Kucherov him. However we do need a guy capable of stepping up in case of injury. No one on this roster is capable of stepping in for Provorov or Ellis. That is a huge issue.

I like the Ristolainen trade however I am not ignorant to the fact we overpaid. That being said many other teams were making the same offer, we won because our pick was the earliest.

It will also depend on the youth of those drafts. If the pick ends up being a bust its no harm no foul. That draft wasnt really deep. Buffalo took Isak Rosén. Only time will see.