Perhaps you really need to blame Yandle on the second Wings goal. Maybe Seeler didn't play it well, but at least he was in the picture while Yandle was skating with his head up his ass out near the blueline.
- Phillywhiteout

Kevin Hayes is the gift that keeps on giving, which is poop…

I contradict myself? LOL Raymond and Seider sure look good. It appears to me that Detroit is doing a fine job developing them as players.




Now who is contradicting themselves? Frost and York should absolutely be on this team. They're NHL players. They should be getting ice time with the Flyers and playing on the PP. I know it's tough to find a spot for them with how the Flyers PP is clicking but maybe some sacrifices have to be made. LOL




Yandle is no longer a viable NHL player. You actually think the Flyers are trying to develop Seeler? That's hysterical. He is at best a fill in 7th defenseman in this league. Period! Frost and York belong in the NHL. The only caveat to that is that the coaching staff is completely incompetent.
- MJL

Seider and Raymond are Top 5 picks. Frost is a border line 1st round pick and Cam York was another middle of the pack pick. They are not comparable. secondly they look good this years. Ghost looked good in his rookie year too, so did Caulfield. There are a bunch of young players that come up have good rookie seasons and never live up to that promise. Frost and York are not NHL players, not yet. They need more seasoning. Frost ceiliong is maybe #2C. He isnt going to get there playing on the 3rd line with AHL players against NHL players.

Frost and York got some PP time and nothing became of it. The PP still sucked. The only thing Frost and York gain from staying with the Flyers is learning bad habits and how to play the wrong way.

Where did I say the Flyers are developing Seeler? Hes a bottom pair potential. He's playing in a position that he's built for. Yandle is garbage but he signed a Contract and he isnt going anywhere. Flyers gain nothing from sitting him. We are a bad team and we need to continue being a bad team so we can get a guy like Raymond or Seider.

Kevin Hayes is the gift that keeps on giving, which is poop…
- SuperSchennBros

Theres nothing wrong with Hayes. He has been good for us since signing. He like many others this season has never been healthy. Let's not forget his brother died not too long ago too. I dont disagre he's overpaid but he has been very good when healthy. Money could have been spent better but he's the least of our worries

all i have to say about that is John Scott
- 2Real

Shhh don’t let the cc apologists hear that they’ll call you mean names because no one can talk poorly about our cc

This team is poop soup, we are all arguing about which spoon full is poopier than the next but this team is poop soup.
- Hosher12

This post should be printed on a giant banner and hung up outside the skate zone.

Theres nothing wrong with Hayes. He has been good for us since signing. He like many others this season has never been healthy. Let's not forget his brother died not too long ago too. I dont disagre he's overpaid but he has been very good when healthy. Money could have been spent better but he's the least of our worries
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Kevin Hayes is an over paid middle six forward and the reason why Yandle is on this team along with a few of his other buddies. He has too much influence on this team. His first season he was good, that’s it.

Moritz Seider on that Flyers PP

(season in a nutshell)

Didn’t see a second of the game, did the Flyers really have 4 players on the ice during a 5-4 power play? I didn’t even think they were inept enough to pull that type of poop.

How are the yes men spinning that?

Oilers 0-2, combined score 8-1. They are trying to catch the Flyers

I want to be surprised by this game but I am not. Red Wings have a few good young pieces to build around. Ratcliffe got a goal.

Are the coaches telling the players to not cover the slot or are they just all bad?

No? Like a sheep.


In recent days you've been posting that Frost has been playing well and has improved. Making an "impact" Now you think there is some kind of attitude issue. It's as if the Flyers are jedi's and you buy whatever they say or do. This organization is incompetent and this is just more evidence of that.

Bill's post was concerning York also. Does he also have an issue? He was making an "impact" according to you.
- MJL

I don't know the reasons why Frost and York were sent down. Neither do you or anyone else here. However I can assure you that its not because the organization is incompetent or does not know how to develop players. There have been some peculiar things going on with Frost this year, and I can only speculate as to why. Yes I have been encouraged with Frost's recent play in the past few weeks, but its not like he was lighting it up in the NHL even when playing better. We were not talking about nice goals or great assists, we were talking about smaller things like winning a puck battle or making a nice move. In the end Frost has apparently a lot more developing to do before he can be a consistent NHL player and the decision has been made for now to put in on the Phantoms. Maybe his attitude is bad because of this and thus Lappy is giving him tough love. I don't know what is going on, that is why I thought Bill should dig in.

The wings sure have cleaned up their ugly cap situation and are being led by young exciting talent.

Theres nothing wrong with Hayes. He has been good for us since signing. He like many others this season has never been healthy. Let's not forget his brother died not too long ago too. I dont disagre he's overpaid but he has been very good when healthy. Money could have been spent better but he's the least of our worries
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Been very good? Least of our worries?!

I contradict myself? LOL Raymond and Seider sure look good. It appears to me that Detroit is doing a fine job developing them as players.
- MJL

Seider was the 6th overall pick in 2019. Raymond was the 4th overall pick in 2020. See a trend here? You need to draft high and when you do you CAN'T miss on these high picks. The Flyers have had 1 top 5 pick in the last 14 years, and we all know how that went don't we?

I don't know the reasons why Frost and York were sent down. Neither do you or anyone else here. However I can assure you that its not because the organization is incompetent or does not know how to develop players. There have been some peculiar things going on with Frost this year, and I can only speculate as to why. Yes I have been encouraged with Frost's recent play in the past few weeks, but its not like he was lighting it up in the NHL even when playing better. We were not talking about nice goals or great assists, we were talking about smaller things like winning a puck battle or making a nice move. In the end Frost has apparently a lot more developing to do before he can be a consistent NHL player and the decision has been made for now to put in on the Phantoms. Maybe his attitude is bad because of this and thus Lappy is giving him tough love. I don't know what is going on, that is why I thought Bill should dig in.
- jd250

How can you assure anyone that?

The wings sure have cleaned up their ugly cap situation and are being led by young exciting talent.
- Just5

Yeah Yzerman is a great team builder. Still need to see results but he is off to a great start.

Morning everyone. Did you enjoy the game last night?

Seider and Raymond are Top 5 picks. Frost is a border line 1st round pick and Cam York was another middle of the pack pick. They are not comparable. secondly they look good this years. Ghost looked good in his rookie year too, so did Caulfield. There are a bunch of young players that come up have good rookie seasons and never live up to that promise. Frost and York are not NHL players, not yet. They need more seasoning. Frost ceiliong is maybe #2C. He isnt going to get there playing on the 3rd line with AHL players against NHL players.


- xShoot4WarAmpsx

They are comparable in terms of being young players who are all NHL ready. You are completely wrong in stating that they're not. If Detroit, who is actually a better team than the Flyers are can play young players, so can the Flyers. The Flyers are again, mismanaging young players. They are terrible at player development.

Frost and York got some PP time and nothing became of it. The PP still sucked. The only thing Frost and York gain from staying with the Flyers is learning bad habits and how to play the wrong way.


- xShoot4WarAmpsx

That's why you have coaches. Now I would agree that the coaches on the Flyers have not been good but there is no reason whatsoever that both players can't be coached out of bad habits the same way that they can in the AHL..

Where did I say the Flyers are developing Seeler? Hes a bottom pair potential. He's playing in a position that he's built for. Yandle is garbage but he signed a Contract and he isnt going anywhere. Flyers gain nothing from sitting him. We are a bad team and we need to continue being a bad team so we can get a guy like Raymond or Seider.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

My mistake, I went back and looked at that comment concerning Seeler. I misinterpreted it. Flyers would gain a lot from sitting Yandle and playing the player who should be in that spot in York. They are clueless and it seems as though you buy into their cluelessness.

I don't want to hear about the injuries. Certainly they were a factor in where the team is at. Honestly it is a blessing in disguise for this team and has put them in a better spot for a better draft pick. Otherwise they're a bubble team who may or may not have made the playoffs. That would've had the team in the worst spot you can be in the NHL. There is only one measuring stick that means anything. That is how do they compare to Carolina, Florida, Colorado etc. If this organization thinks they are anywhere close to that or just a few moves away, they're delusional.
- MJL

the bubble team and where this team is now in the standings don't matter much in drafting. The difference between drafting 8th and 15th, isnt that much skill wise. You need to be drafting in the top 5 to get the cream of the crop.

We have 4 more points in the standings than Seattle and that roster wasn’t even built to win.

Our goal differential is also among the worst in the league.

I’m sure a quick retool will sort this all out though.

How can you assure anyone that?
- hello it's me 2050

Look, I think some people on this forum just like to bash the Flyers and they want to believe this is a clown show of a franchise. Some just hate the current leadership because they were in love with the previous leadership. Others like me are genuine fans and want he team to succeed and long for a cup!

Chuck Fletcher is a Harvard graduate and has been in Hockey operations for over 3 decades. The guy may look like a dork that everyone picked on before and after school, but to suggest he is incompetent and does not know how to run a hockey team is plain silly. To suggest he does not know how to build out a hockey operations staff or how to develop players is equally silly. I still have a lot of confidence in Fletcher. Yes I know some of his moves have not worked out but some of his moves have. I also am very encouraged in his drafting with Brent Flahr and liked what I heard regarding his investment in the hockey operations. Now if you want to dismiss Fletcher as an incompetent dunce that is your prerogative, but just know no one in hockey feels this way about Fletcher.

[quote=MJL]I contradict myself? LOL Raymond and Seider sure look good. It appears to me that Detroit is doing a fine job developing them as players.


So is it the development or couldn't possibly be that they were both high draft picks. Not in the mid teens.

Look, I think some people on this forum just like to bash the Flyers and they want to believe this is a clown show of a franchise. Some just hate the current leadership because they were in love with the previous leadership. Others like me are genuine fans and want he team to succeed and long for a cup!

Chuck Fletcher is a Harvard graduate and has been in Hockey operations for over 3 decades. The guy may look like a dork that everyone picked on before and after school, but to suggest he is incompetent and does not know how to run a hockey team is plain silly. To suggest he does not know how to build out a hockey operations staff or how to develop players is equally silly. I still have a lot of confidence in Fletcher. Yes I know some of his moves have not worked out but some of his moves have. I also am very encouraged in his drafting with Brent Flahr and liked what I heard regarding his investment in the hockey operations. Now if you want to dismiss Fletcher as an incompetent dunce that is your prerogative, but just know no one in hockey feels this way about Fletcher.
- jd250

Not bashing at all. Calling it like I see it. Others calling it like they see it.

Who gives a phuck he was a harvard grad. All that matters is he is not a good NHL General Manager. There is enough of a sample to make this claim.

BTW, a good result for the Flyers last night, keep it up boys. There are a few teams playing for those top picks, the Flyers have to step it up and keep losing to get into the mix.

Not bashing at all. Calling it like I see it. Others calling it like they see it.

Who gives a phuck he was a harvard grad. All that matters is he is not a good NHL General Manager. There is enough of a sample to make this claim.
- hello it's me 2050

Go through all of Fletcher's moves since he has been here and give each a up or a down, then talk to me about whether he is a good GM or not. There is much more positive then negative here IMO.