Yzermans being taking our scruff and rubbing our nose in it since 97
- Just5

True that. The 4-player thing is bad but I felt like the 3rd period was an abject disgrace. We did not get a second shot on goal until after more than half the period had passed. Moreover, the Wings looked like they were on a power play when they had the puck. That is because we skate an AHL-heavy team with no apparent coaching direction. This is all on Chucky and Bobby. The fact that the message from management is more of the same is what the team needs just sucks.

Flyers play man to man coverage in the defensive zone when the opposition has possession of the puck. I think you can make an argument that Yandle should've broken off coverage and headed back to the net but the real issue is the lack of adjustments by the coaches. They have not changed from the system that it is clear, the Flyers cannot play effectively. Just continuing to go over video and drills with the same system is not working. They need to change to see if the team can be more effective playing differently.
- MJL

Again, no defensive system that I have ever been taught or played has the defenseman chasing a forward up to his own blue line. I don't see this with other NHL teams either, just the Flyers. Its on the players, not the coaches, not the system!

Here's hoping Alain Vigneault gets hired so he can take Mike Yeo along with him.
- Tomahawk

You know that wouldn't be a bad hire for them. AV has a good track record in his first year as coach, maybe he gets the most of this bunch in the short term.

You know that wouldn't be a bad hire for them. AV has a good track record in his first year as coach, maybe he gets the most of this bunch in the short term.
- jd250

Ha, ha, ha ....

I don't know, maybe somewhere at least below the face off dots would be a good start
- jd250

You talk about playing the game and lacing them up and you recently told me that I had to take a post to heart when someone accused me of not ever playing the game. Yet which one of us has a complete lack of knowledge of NHL systems? This is not your beer league team. Brush up on NHL systems.

Again, no defensive system that I have ever been taught or played has the defenseman chasing a forward up to his own blue line. I don't see this with other NHL teams either, just the Flyers. Its on the players, not the coaches, not the system!
- jd250

This is not your beer league team. You're not watching closely. There are plenty of websites that detail NHL systems. You've repeatedly blamed the wrong players on goals against when the player is following the system and his responsibilities. The Flyers cannot effectively play the system that they play. It's been going on for a season and a half. The previous coaches have not made the right adjustments and neither has Yeo.

And you 100% positively sure that is why York and Frost are on the phantoms right now, because they are being forced to fight their way back to the NHL??
- jd250

Hey, have you been reading about the prospect countdown by Wheeler in the Athletic? Did you notice the meteoric rise in the Wild's prospect standings since CF left? They jumped from #14 to #3, based on the drafts of Boldi, Rossi and Wallstedt (who we could have had if we had kept the 1st rounder for Risto).

It's just a small sample, and just 1 guy's opinion, but it does go a little against your perspective that CF and his BF are good drafters. The drafting of the Wild seems to have improved significantly since they left (according to Wheeler).

So what is the coach going to do about it? Know what that is? It's a sign that the coach does not have control of the bench and does not have the respect of the players. Yes it is on the players but you can't fire the team.
- MJL

Are you sure you can't fire the team? I guess we'll see how much happens at the deadline. I know this season is over for the Flyers and the players know that also, but they are supposed to be professional hockey players. They certainly have no problem cashing their checks every week. Its on them to show up and put maximum effort each and every game they play, that is what being a professional means. When you see things like this happen, bad line changes, players not paying attention, players not communicating, its more of a sign that players don't want to be part of the Flyers organization, and if so Fletcher I hope will accommodate them soon. I like Mike Yeo and I have a hard time blaming him for any of this. Again, how many coaches have come through here? We have had college coaches, coaches with over 700 NHL wins and coaches that have won Cups with other teams and nothing seems to stick to these players. Its time to fire the players and I hope that is Fletcher's definition of an aggressive retool.

Are you sure you can't fire the team? I guess we'll see how much happens at the deadline. I know this season is over for the Flyers and the players know that also, but they are supposed to be professional hockey players. They certainly have no problem cashing their checks every week. Its on them to show up and put maximum effort each and every game they play, that is what being a professional means. When you see things like this happen, bad line changes, players not paying attention, players not communicating, its more of a sign that players don't want to be part of the Flyers organization, and if so Fletcher I hope will accommodate them soon. I like Mike Yeo and I have hard time blaming him for any of this. Again, how many coaches that have come through here? We have had college coaches, coaches with over 700 NHL wins and coaches that have won Cups with other teams and nothing seems to stick to these players. Its time to fire the players and I hope that is Fletcher's definition of an aggressive retool.
- jd250

It's not an effort issue. It's a coaching issue. When a team is dysfunctional all over the ice, in every area, that is a reflection on coaching. If a GM sits back and allows that to continue, he is negligent in his duties. The season is not over in terms o building for the future and correcting the teams issues and get back to playing fundamentally sound hockey. Yeo has not improved the team and has not corrected the issues that have plagued this team. Yeo is not a good coach and the product on the ice proves that he is not.

I'm just going off of your posts and how the players have to earn it! I'm amazed with how reactionary you are to the Flyers moves and how you let it mold your opinions. If they wake up tomorrow and say something different, your opinion will change right along with it.
Both York and Frost belong in the NHL.
- MJL

I don't disagree with you that York belongs in the NHL and most likely Frost also. What I disagree with you on is the reason York and Frost are playing on the Phantoms. I don't believe its because they don't belong or have to earn it. I instead believe that the Flyers want to showcase as many players over the next month before the deadline so they can make trades. Having York and Frost play with anxious players worried about being traded is probably not the best environment for them to be in right now. So I have a theory, nothing more, that they will play on the Phantoms until the deadline passes and then will finish the year with the Flyers.

True that. The 4-player thing is bad but I felt like the 3rd period was an abject disgrace. We did not get a second shot on goal until after more than half the period had passed. Moreover, the Wings looked like they were on a power play when they had the puck. That is because we skate an AHL-heavy team with no apparent coaching direction. This is all on Chucky and Bobby. The fact that the message from management is more of the same is what the team needs just sucks.
- iamscore2day

The Flyers only attempted 24 shots at 5 on 5 in the game. That's not shots on net, that's attempted shots. Despite being behind in the 3rd, they only attempted 7 shots in the 3rd. Only 5 in the 2nd period. That is disgraceful.

Yes, when it happens game after game after game. It is on the coaches. What do you think is their responsibility? I'm sure your beer league team is flawless.
- MJL

My team is only flawless when I play, otherwise they completely fall apart

When it happens game after game, it may be on the coaches, but its more often than not on the players. Some of the players don't care right now, that much is obvious. They know the season is over and they are probably thinking about where they will be playing after the deadline or next year. No matter who you bring in as coach will not matter, their heads and hearts are just not in it.

Sounds like the same you were spewing before Vigneault was fired. It wasn't his fault either.
- MJL

And I still believe it wasn't his fault. This team played this way before AV came, and they are clearly playing this way after AV was fired. If that is not proof I don't know what is.

The worst play of the night last night(many to choose from) was when the Flygirls had the PP and that young stud defender(his name slips my thought processes) for the Wings played keep away with the puck for about 45 seconds all by his lonesome! Everyone in attendance should have gotten up and left the premises right then and there!! Then whittle Travis Konecny goes in and tries to knock the guy off the puck and promptly falls on his ass. That may been the most surreal moment of this entire season. This team is soft soft soft!! Bring in Torts!! The rest of the season would be totally hilarious as he has meltdown after meltdown dealing with these shrinking violets!! I think a guy like Torts would play Yandle like 35-40 minutes a game! Just keep sending his sorry ass out there until he falls over from exhaustion! That's right....earn that iron man streak you clown!

True that. The 4-player thing is bad but I felt like the 3rd period was an abject disgrace. We did not get a second shot on goal until after more than half the period had passed. Moreover, the Wings looked like they were on a power play when they had the puck. That is because we skate an AHL-heavy team with no apparent coaching direction. This is all on Chucky and Bobby. The fact that the message from management is more of the same is what the team needs just sucks.
- iamscore2day

There are 2 ways to get high picks in the draft, which in turn is the most likely way to get high end talent in team we all seem to agree we need:

1. By design
2. By dysfunction

The former is difficult to do in a big market team with an impatient fan base. This leaves 2. In fact, there is a case that design needs to masquerade as dysfunction because of the preceding sentence (not saying that is fully the case here but could be part of it).

Why are you and others so upset?

Are you sure you can't fire the team? I guess we'll see how much happens at the deadline. I know this season is over for the Flyers and the players know that also, but they are supposed to be professional hockey players. They certainly have no problem cashing their checks every week. Its on them to show up and put maximum effort each and every game they play, that is what being a professional means. When you see things like this happen, bad line changes, players not paying attention, players not communicating, its more of a sign that players don't want to be part of the Flyers organization, and if so Fletcher I hope will accommodate them soon. I like Mike Yeo and I have a hard time blaming him for any of this. Again, how many coaches have come through here? We have had college coaches, coaches with over 700 NHL wins and coaches that have won Cups with other teams and nothing seems to stick to these players. Its time to fire the players and I hope that is Fletcher's definition of an aggressive retool.
- jd250

You are funny. Was he not part of the prior failed coaching staff?

It is both a player and coach problem. Both can and are true.

You talk about playing the game and lacing them up and you recently told me that I had to take a post to heart when someone accused me of not ever playing the game. Yet which one of us has a complete lack of knowledge of NHL systems? This is not your beer league team. Brush up on NHL systems.
- MJL

Ok, show me a man to man NHL defensive system that directs the defenseman to chase a player up to his own blue line. I'll wait ....

I don't disagree with you that York belongs in the NHL and most likely Frost also. What I disagree with you on is the reason York and Frost are playing on the Phantoms. I don't believe its because they don't belong or have to earn it. I instead believe that the Flyers want to showcase as many players over the next month before the deadline so they can make trades. Having York and Frost play with anxious players worried about being traded is probably not the best environment for them to be in right now. So I have a theory, nothing more, that they will play on the Phantoms until the deadline passes and then will finish the year with the Flyers.
- jd250

Do you know how absurd that is? What players are they showcasing that will have any value in a trade? Next tell me why those same players can't remain the lineup while York and Frost are also in the lineup. Are you telling me that the Flyers are showcasing Seeler and Yandle? Good luck to them with that. Should fetch quite a haul that will set up the Flyers for the future. Your theory doesn't hold water and it's just more greenlighting of the Flyers mismanagement.

Not for nothing but if not for Hart's play early, the game would've been over in the first period. He wasn't great but he kept the game from getting out of hand and it winding up 1-3 instead of 6-3.
- MJL

Not to mention the fact that it seemed the Wings were in or next to the paint all night with impunity. That’s doesn’t help either and says more about the entire farce of a season

Hey, have you been reading about the prospect countdown by Wheeler in the Athletic? Did you notice the meteoric rise in the Wild's prospect standings since CF left? They jumped from #14 to #3, based on the drafts of Boldi, Rossi and Wallstedt (who we could have had if we had kept the 1st rounder for Risto).

It's just a small sample, and just 1 guy's opinion, but it does go a little against your perspective that CF and his BF are good drafters. The drafting of the Wild seems to have improved significantly since they left (according to Wheeler).
- PT21

Yes, and the Flyers prospect standing has consistently been in the top 5 and what has that go us exactly? You can make what the pundits think are good picks, but whether these players develop into impact NHL players is another issue all together.

Do you know how absurd that is? What players are they showcasing that will have any value in a trade? Next tell me why those same players can't remain the lineup while York and Frost are also in the lineup. Are you telling me that the Flyers are showcasing Seeler and Yandle? Good luck to them with that. Should fetch quite a haul that will set up the Flyers for the future. Your theory doesn't hold water and it's just more greenlighting of the Flyers mismanagement.
- MJL

Yeah, what players do the Flyers have that are going to garner anything? These GMs aren't stupid...well, most of em. Yandle, Brassard, Seeler and the like are going to fetch nada....NADA!!

I don't disagree with you that York belongs in the NHL and most likely Frost also. What I disagree with you on is the reason York and Frost are playing on the Phantoms. I don't believe its because they don't belong or have to earn it. I instead believe that the Flyers want to showcase as many players over the next month before the deadline so they can make trades. Having York and Frost play with anxious players worried about being traded is probably not the best environment for them to be in right now. So I have a theory, nothing more, that they will play on the Phantoms until the deadline passes and then will finish the year with the Flyers.
- jd250

Who the phuck they gonna showcase? Mayew? Willman? Seeler?

Any value any vet has will not change one bit gong forward.

Ok, show me a man to man NHL defensive system that directs the defenseman to chase a player up to his own blue line. I'll wait ....
- jd250

There are numerous blogs and websites that detail NHL systems. One of them which even deals with AV's systems when he was the Rangers coach is Blueseatblogs.com

Now I want you to show me a man to man NHL defensive system that directs a defenseman not to do that. I'll wait....


In the mean time, I have an exercise for you. Look at all the Flyers video replays of goals against. You will see every Flyers defenseman do that at one time or another. Are they all not doing what the coaches are telling them to do and playing outside of the system? Provorov, Braun, Ristolainen, Sanheim all of them do that in the Flyers man to man scheme.

It's not an effort issue. It's a coaching issue. When a team is dysfunctional all over the ice, in every area, that is a reflection on coaching. If a GM sits back and allows that to continue, he is negligent in his duties. The season is not over in terms o building for the future and correcting the teams issues and get back to playing fundamentally sound hockey. Yeo has not improved the team and has not corrected the issues that have plagued this team. Yeo is not a good coach and the product on the ice proves that he is not.
- MJL

And I hope the team stays dysfunctional all over the ice so they get a top 5 draft pick and actually have a chance to get real top end talent in here. A new coach will be hired in the off season and they will have all off-season and training camp to communicate and teach their system. Yeo is just holding the fort to the end of the season, and hopefully for his sake earning a chance at a new job next season.

Yes, and the Flyers prospect standing has consistently been in the top 5 and what has that go us exactly? You can make what the pundits think are good picks, but whether these players develop into impact NHL players is another issue all together.
- jd250

It is an issue and it has been tried to be explained to you how terrible the Flyers are at player development.