There is nothing to look forward to really. They have no star players. No potential star players in the system. No quality GM to help turn it around. No up and coming coach to give some semblance of better play. Upper management is delusional. Gritty is their best marketing tool.


They are the Oakland Raiders. 2 once proud winning franchises who just suck.
- hello it's me 2050

Again with a Raiders reference. They made the playoffs and took the AFC champs to the final play of the game.

Once upon time yes, but now the Flyers are almost in a league of their own. I'll lump them in with Buffalo and Arizona as NHL's punchline.

First, there is nothing to indicate that these folks are clever enough to pull off what you suggest. Second, letting the f-wads who put us in this predicament try to pull us out is placing hope over experience. In case you hadn't noticed, we have ventured into the flat comical now. So, placing any confidence in this crew to fix their own mess just looks delusional. If you are okay watching a non-NHL team play, then you should be happy with the team.
- iamscore2day

1. I am not proselytizing for that point. I am however agnostic about it. I see some circumstantial evidence. I could be projecting hope and making an error.

2. Depends on what you mean by predicament. If by predicament, you mean current bottom dwelling, sure. But if that is the most likely way to get out of more sustained bubble-team predicament (and that has had at least 15 years of history leading to that), is the former really a predicament?

3. If we have 2-3 years like this, which is what we need, the mgmt crew can be since replaced. But the prospects will stay.

4. I am personally pleased in a nuanced way. I would have preferred to see a more honest tank coupled with young player development but frankly a big market sports team has fans who have certain ...limitations... and those have to be catered to. This might be the only way.

5. I do also fear that the tremendous moanings, and the utter inability to see the big picture, will convey message to mgmt that they need to do something urgently to bring back respectability and we will see more short term fixes.

You are funny. Was he not part of the prior failed coaching staff?

It is both a player and coach problem. Both can and are true.
- hello it's me 2050

I don’t understand how this is not clear.

The GM stinks
The coach stinks
Some of the players stink and the roster is not well constructed

Sure feels like a too to bottom issue to me. I don’t see how anyone can defend the GM, Coach or the roster as a whole right now. Not all of the players are bad, but they are clearly not good enough or showing the effort that is expected as a collective.

He’s 20 ?
- landros 2

thought you meant ivan

Again with a Raiders reference. They made the playoffs and took the AFC champs to the final play of the game.

Once upon time yes, but now the Flyers are almost in a league of their own. I'll lump them in with Buffalo and Arizona as NHL's punchline.
- Pelle31Forever

if you cant see the similarities between the 2 cant help you.

Yea, one top 5 draft pick. That'll straighten it all out. More absurdity. Yeo is not holding anything. Well I shouldn't say anything. He is terrible and he should be fired.
- MJL

if you cant see the similarities between the 2 cant help you.
- hello it's me 2050

Back in Al Davis' last years, yes for sure. Now, not even close.

sounds like Ben Simmons is gone

He reminds me of a young Victor Hedman. Not saying he will be as good, but he has a chance to be a special talent.
- landros 2

High picks don’t matter!

It’s very telling that upon arriving in Detroit Yzerman, who is considered one of the best GMs in the business and helped build a two time Stanley Cup champion, let Detroit be bottom feeders instead of performing an aggressive retool. But what the hell does he know.

Back in Al Davis' last years, yes for sure. Now, not even close.
- Pelle31Forever

what have the raiders done in the last decade? a dysfunction organization. Bad to average team. This past season doesn't change that.

sounds like Ben Simmons is gone
- Dkos

Still cant understand why the sixers had to give up 2 1st with Ben. Losing Drummand will hurt as they have nothing behind him. Hope they make a deal to address that.

Harden is a Sixer.

Atkinson is ill, Ristolainen injured.

Still cant understand why the sixers had to give up 2 1st with Ben. Losing Drummand will hurt as they have nothing behind him. Hope they make a deal to address that.
- hello it's me 2050

Jeez, after seeing the whole deal.....Sixers gave up too much IMO.

It left them thin at center and losing two 1sts.....

I don’t understand how this is not clear.

The GM stinks
The coach stinks
Some of the players stink and the roster is not well constructed

Sure feels like a too to bottom issue to me. I don’t see how anyone can defend the GM, Coach or the roster as a whole right now. Not all of the players are bad, but they are clearly not good enough or showing the effort that is expected as a collective.
- funmaster18

No one is defending anything. Some people like myself just accept that this year is not going to get better and it is better for it not to. There is going to be some major changes but none will be done until the offseason. For now its just going through the motions and getting a good pick.

Fletcher already addressed the personnel changes. He stated no changes until the offseason because theres going to be a complete evaluation. Firing people now makes no sense. You arent going to find many people looking for a 3 month job.

Yeo is here for the remainder of the season. That is just how it has to be. In the offseason a new coach will be hired as well as the rest of the coaching staff. I can guarantee the Interim tag will not be removed from Yeo. We will have a new head coach and a staff chosen by said coach.

The only changes you will see are the exits of Giroux, Braun and Brassard. Maybe even Ristolainen, Jones and Yandle. Fletcher may have interest in bringing back Ristolainen but I cant Rasmus wanting to stick around.

It is what it is.

I agree. An inordinate number.
- bmeltzer

Side note, I think this is why they are so bad in the 2nd period -the long change to the bench.

Atkinson is ill, Ristolainen injured.
- PLindbergh31

He should be sick being on tis team.

Atkinson is ill, Ristolainen injured.
- PLindbergh31

Ristolainen out 2 months with "I dont want to be here Syndrome"

Jeez, after seeing the whole deal.....Sixers gave up too much IMO.

It left them thin at center and losing two 1sts.....
- MBFlyerfan

If they go get another center they will be fine. Drummond was going to get paid after this year so he was gone either way.

Can you only have success with developing young players if they were drafted in the top 10? The Flyers should start trying to do with same thing with York and Frost by bringing them up to the NHL and playing them in the best spot with the correct support.
- MJL

They have and they will again. I really don't understand all the angst from yourself and others on this forum regarding this topic. I really do believe they are down with the Phantoms because of the approaching deadline.

Of course you can have success with developing young players drafted outside of the top 10, but historically (not in every case of course) it takes longer for those players to develop and the chances of those players being top end talent are much lower. Its al about the odds of getting a top flight player and then getting them to contribute to your team as soon as possible. The odds say drafting in the top 5 are your best hope and thus that is what I think the Flyers should do this year and next.

High picks don’t matter!

It’s very telling that upon arriving in Detroit Yzerman, who is considered one of the best GMs in the business and helped build a two time Stanley Cup champion, let Detroit be bottom feeders instead of performing an aggressive retool. But what the hell does he know.
- psuhockey

About the Covid underscouted 2021 draft. The one we gave away a top 15 pick for the reason it was too random.

I noticed (and commented several times here) that the individual you reference was busy stockpiling picks for the same draft. 2 firsts, 7 picks in the first 5 rounds. Why would he do that in such a random draft?

Hmm, maybe because randomness can also act in your favor. If players are underscouted, that makes it more likely that a good player falls further in the draft.

Fast forward to now. And Wheeler's assessment again:

That the Red Wings pool still ranks this high, after graduating their two best prospects to the NHL, speaks volumes of two things.

The first, is the job they did with their 2021 draft class. Seven of their eight 2021 picks made it into my top 20 here and the other is included as an honourable mention. There are only a handful of teams I can say that about, with the vast majority having picked multiple players that I didn’t include in my rankings as part of this series. And it’s not just about Simon Edvinsson or Sebastian Cossa. Certainly, those are the two guys who kept them in this range (I debated ranking the Red Wings as low as ninth but no lower). But it’s about the value they appear to have found in their other six picks too, led by the breakout success of Carter Mazur.

Harden is a Sixer.
- MBFlyerfan

christ what a horrible trade

Atkinson is ill, Ristolainen injured.
- PLindbergh31

Jesus, are you kidding me?

do you guys think if we trade giroux atkinson will be soon to follow?

do you guys think if we trade giroux atkinson will be soon to follow?
- 2Real

I honestly think Cam is the next Captain. He seems like Chuck’s guy.

If he’s moveable I would obviously take the asset however.