There's no way there would be this much discussion if it was just 2 dudes that got hired.
- Marwood

you're a good poster.

Okay, just to play devil's advocate here, what makes her more qualified than the other two female AGM's?

For the record, the only AGM hire I think was qualified was Castonguay
- Nucker101

Involvement in hockey with her father, the psychology of the game and understanding of players, week to week exposure and ideas being broadcasted . Her views.

Cammi Granato just stated at the end of last month how thrilled she was that she just finally completed her Children's book "I can play too " and how it took three long years to complete it. The same time she was hired as Seattle's scout. Other commitments was being a full time mom to a 9 year old son (sorry but that is a sexist remark and I am sorry for that) but it takes away time at the job . Seattle's team was awful and needed the required attention . She is also spending a lot of time crusading for women in sports which is noble but does not make her a good scout.

I need to go out for a bit right now but commitment has to be a full time job and a priority IMO.

I see nothing wrong with responding to yours or anyone else questions, this is a discussion board.

You have good questions and concerns, I have different take on the situation and thought it was ok to engage in a conversation, I'm not labeling you.

The problem I see with this discussion board is, if it is counter response then it becomes exaggerated, like, you don't like women ((frank) me I love women), you are a sexist, you hate swedes, yada, yada. And then it has to be generalized everyone loves this or hates this.
- Makita

It’s the drawing the line in the sand that I dislike. Ppl don’t have to prove ppl wrong what they do have to do is their job. Til they have a track record here idgaf & keep an open mind. Media here has been toxic forever not including ass kissin IMac. The fanbase is generally a gloomy bunch if times get tough. Very little fortitude let alone patience. If they were athletes they’d sink.

There's no way there would be this much discussion if it was just 2 dudes that got hired.
- Marwood

Sean Burke was one of the finalists and I've been all over that and I also question the Allvin hiring since I had it with hiring a scout and making him a rookie GM after the Benning flop. So keep telling yourself it's all about gender.

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Okay, just to play devil's advocate here, what makes her more qualified than the other two female AGM's?

For the record, the only female AGM hire I think was qualified was Castonguay, not Botterill or Granato
- Nucker101

My question is why some ppl are all hung up on the title & ignore their defined role?

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- dbot

Is that a mare he is flogging....

My question is why some ppl are all hung up on the title & ignore their defined role?
- Nighthawk

I don't know. Ask Rutherford and the media that title them as such.

Involvement in hockey with her father, the psychology of the game and understanding of players, week to week exposure and ideas being broadcasted . Her views.

Cammi Granato just stated at the end of last month how thrilled she was that she just finally completed her Children's book "I can play too " and how it took three long years to complete it. The same time she was hired as Seattle's scout. Other commitments was being a full time mom to a 9 year old son (sorry but that is a sexist remark and I am sorry for that) but it takes away time at the job . Seattle's team was awful and needed the required attention . She is also spending a lot of time crusading for women in sports which is noble but does not make her a good scout.

I need to go out for a bit right now but commitment has to be a full time job and a priority IMO.
- VANTEL

Umm, Botterill has also stated on national TV during her segment about raising and teaching her kids. As well as running a training camp for young women/girls, she shouldn't be considered either then. Same argument can be made for her about the noble cause but not being good at the AGM spot

Involvement in hockey with her father, the psychology of the game and understanding of players, week to week exposure and ideas being broadcasted . Her views.

Cammi Granato just stated at the end of last month how thrilled she was that she just finally completed her Children's book "I can play too " and how it took three long years to complete it. The same time she was hired as Seattle's scout. Other commitments was being a full time mom to a 9 year old son (sorry but that is a sexist remark and I am sorry for that) but it takes away time at the job . Seattle's team was awful and needed the required attention . She is also spending a lot of time crusading for women in sports which is noble but does not make her a good scout.

I need to go out for a bit right now but commitment has to be a full time job and a priority IMO.
- VANTEL

Sure sounds like neither of them were really qualified to be AGM's.


And before being accused of being sexist, I'd say the same if they hired some media dude like Kevin Bieksa or some ex-NHL'er who just recently became a scout

There's no way there would be this much discussion if it was just 2 dudes that got hired.
- Marwood

Disagree. I feel like Castonguay hiring was pretty well received. She seems pretty well qualified for a role where she'll handle contracts and the cap.


If they hired some dudes with similar resumes as Granato/Botterill to be AGM's, I'd be pretty skeptical

I'm also skeptical about Clancey and Allvin, they basically got hired because they're JR's boys. Like what are the odds that Allvin just happened to be the best person for the job and also happened to be JR's boy? Pretty wild coincidence.



Not saying that this management group will fail, but let's not pretend like they really went out with the mindset of hiring the most impressive candidates with zero bias involved.

Sure sounds like neither of them were really qualified to be AGM's.


And before being accused of being sexist, I'd say the same if they hired some media dude like Kevin Bieksa or some ex-NHL'er who just recently became a scout
- Nucker101

Disagree. I feel like Castonguay hiring was pretty well received. She seems pretty well qualified for a role where she'll handle contracts and the cap.


If they hired some dudes with similar resumes as Granato/Botterill to be AGM's, I'd be pretty skeptical
- Nucker101

The Wokecouver Canucks post and other comments triggered by the word 'diversity', say otherwise. In my opinion.

I'm also skeptical about Clancey and Allvin, they basically got hired because they're JR's boys. Like what are the odds that Allvin just happened to be the best person for the job and also happened to be JR's boy? Pretty wild coincidence.



Not saying that this management group will fail, but let's not pretend like they really went out with the mindset of hiring the most impressive candidates with zero bias involved.
- Nucker101

This is exactly the attitude I entered the conversation with from the beginning.

The Wokecouver Canucks post and other comments triggered by the word 'diversity', say otherwise. In my opinion.
- Marwood

As far as I know, only one person is mockingly calling this market Wokecouver.

Sure sounds like neither of them were really qualified to be AGM's.


And before being accused of being sexist, I'd say the same if they hired some media dude like Kevin Bieksa or some ex-NHL'er who just recently became a scout
- Nucker101

Define AGM as it pertains to the Canucks.

It’s not the old days of a Pres a GM & an AGM. Not even SuperBoss days of Pat Quinn.

Again it’s only a title with more than 1 AGM in a defined roles. They all work & answer to Allvin who is guided by JR on the bigger matters. Specialists is more like it.

The fun will really begin once something gives this TDL or sooner. If not then the offseason will certainly produce some great fun fir us to discuss.

I'm also skeptical about Clancey and Allvin, they basically got hired because they're JR's boys. Like what are the odds that Allvin just happened to be the best person for the job and also happened to be JR's boy? Pretty wild coincidence.



Not saying that this management group will fail, but let's not pretend like they really went out with the mindset of hiring the most impressive candidates with zero bias involved.
- Nucker101

My take is familiarity with Allvin had to be beaten by other candidates. Clancy idk. The TDL & offseason & draft will be fresh & interesting. Idk how it will work out but changes are surely coming.

Sure sounds like neither of them were really qualified to be AGM's.


And before being accused of being sexist, I'd say the same if they hired some media dude like Kevin Bieksa or some ex-NHL'er who just recently became a scout
- Nucker101

That has been questioned before . Are these really the best hiring's available or are the Canucks filling a quota.

I do feel they had an agenda so I don't think these are the best hiring's. Again it is only my opinion nothing else.

I'm also skeptical about Clancey and Allvin, they basically got hired because they're JR's boys. Like what are the odds that Allvin just happened to be the best person for the job and also happened to be JR's boy? Pretty wild coincidence.



Not saying that this management group will fail, but let's not pretend like they really went out with the mindset of hiring the most impressive candidates with zero bias involved.
- Nucker101

I think part will fail and part will be very successful . Very unlikely that you hire 7 new people and they all turn out great.

As far as I know, only one person is mockingly calling this market Wokecouver.
- boonerbuck

I don't even know what that means

The definition of everyone's "best" is going to be different, and "best" does not equate to most experienced or longest tenured.

Unfortunately for everyone, the only person's opinion on who is "best" that truly matters is Rutherford. It's how he defines best for his vision of how the club should be structured and what roles need to be filled, and also what blind-spots an organization has and how he'd like to address that from his years and years of being at the top of the food chain.

No one knows what actual jobs, tasks, direction, day-to-day workings of each and every person is. None of us know Rutherford's full vision – these people that he hired are more than likely the literal best for how he sees the future of the organization.

I said it yesterday... I always had a strong dislike for her and that POS brother of hers. So what of it?

- boonerbuck

Doesn't mean she won't do a great job, such sensitive opinions about Americans

Okay, just to play devil's advocate here, what makes her more qualified than the other two female AGM's?

For the record, the only female AGM hire I think was qualified was Castonguay, not Botterill or Granato
- Nucker101

Yes!

Doesn't mean she won't do a great job, such sensitive opinions about Americans
- neem55

I only started hating Americans when Lefty moved there.