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boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Feb 11 @ 2:26 AM ET
Was it steak knives that the President's Cup winner gets?

Gillis drained the cupboards and let the team age well past the due date. He also locked them in making it even more difficult to wheel n deal. Big deal we won a lot of regular season games in a weak division.

JR reminds me a lot like Holland . A couple of cups , getting on in age , and on the back slope . JR was no where near as good as Holland when it came to drafting but had a similar style pulling the trigger to make moves. Seldom idle.

Holland when he left handed the team to Stevie Wonderful who has made a couple of very good selections over the years but is still not near a Cup team.

As recently as tonight I seen people in here ridiculing Holland.

JR said two years away but I think in two years we will still be debating whether to move Petey and Bo and who we can dump to get cap room.

I have no faith in Canucks drafting at this time but we will see.

- VANTEL


You obviously hate woman to say such things.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 11 @ 2:27 AM ET
You obviously hate woman to say such things.
- boonerbuck


You are being too kind . I hate everyone.
henny1953
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Aalborg
Joined: 02.10.2010

Feb 11 @ 5:09 AM ET
Yes it is.

You see the movie Inglourious Basterds? You can use any real person's name and tell a story with them in it. Doesn't make it factual. Makes it entertaining.

- bloatedmosquito

A draw okay.
Fidel
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Twitter
Joined: 08.11.2006

Feb 11 @ 5:23 AM ET
Trade the Elf
Play the rath
Fire the swedes
Fidel
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Twitter
Joined: 08.11.2006

Feb 11 @ 5:25 AM ET
Bottle of red Bordeaux
- 1970vintage

OLE OLE OLE.
Sante, mon petit ami.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Feb 11 @ 8:36 AM ET
So does your golf game.

They rock. Frank Black is awesome as well.

- Load Management

lol anytime you wanna play for cash let's tee it up brother...

I think the Pixies had one good tune that one from Fight Club...about it.

43 years ago Judas Priest released Stained Class...spin it if you got it!!
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Feb 11 @ 8:41 AM ET
The new thread opened while I was writing it is all. People shifted to the next thread before I even posted. There's literally 2 min between the two posts... so much for that narrative.


Enough with the lies ASL... it's a bad look for you.


Oh and can't help but notice when one of your buddies kept the topic going after I dropped it, you didn't say poop.

- boonerbuck

lol DP?

LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Feb 11 @ 8:49 AM ET
I'll call him out when he posts the same post in two different threads because he didn't get the response he wanted the first time.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Again...then call out your buddies as well. If folks want to post political Jargon on the CIA and 'white males' and then label people 'anti female' lol then be prepared for the responses. If I've said it once it's been 100 times. Don't dish it out if you can't take a little ribbing back.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Feb 11 @ 8:50 AM ET
You obviously hate woman to say such things.
- boonerbuck

whoa whoa whoa careful...you want to avoid that label in here...

mi·sog·y·nis·tic

LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Feb 11 @ 8:53 AM ET
A couple of choking teams going at it during the regular season

Exciting

- Nucker101

lol no doubt. Flames and Leafs have both looked good during reg season but if the Flames make it in will be interesting to see how far they go. Depending on who they draw and which version of Markstrom/Tanev show they could win a round...
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Feb 11 @ 8:55 AM ET
You are being too kind . I hate everyone.
- VANTEL

LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Feb 11 @ 8:56 AM ET
Bottle of red Bordeaux
- 1970vintage

Man I can't remember the bottle you recommended but I bought a $50 of French Bordeaux a few months back and it was outstanding. Doing Malibu Chicken this Sunday for Super Bowl with the Fam...any recommendations?

NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Feb 11 @ 9:16 AM ET
Again...then call out your buddies as well. If folks want to post political Jargon on the CIA and 'white males' and then label people 'anti female' lol then be prepared for the responses. If I've said it once it's been 100 times. Don't dish it out if you can't take a little ribbing back.
- LordHumungous


Maybe your reading comprehension needs a little work – the article I posted was not political jargon on the CIA. It was an example/case study into how a monolithic hiring practice creates holes in intelligence gathering... maybe if you didn't just glance the surface of things, you'd be able to see the underlying message.

Second, no one is labeling anyone "anti-female" except yourself and those who feel their fragility. Stop projecting?

If you'd like some further reading on the subject that doesn't set off the "political" tinfoil hats, here are some articles on the large positive impact of diversity hires:

https://hbr.org/2016/11/w...iverse-teams-are-smarter: Harvard Business Review
https://www.forbes.com/si...utcomes/?sh=5c840e2e65ce: Forbes article relating a University of Michigan Study
https://journals.sagepub....10.1177/1745691615598513: Galinsky et al published in Perspectives on Pyschological Sciences, a journal with an impact factor of 9+.
https://www.mckinsey.com/...ns-how-inclusion-matters: McKinsey Consulting Report
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Feb 11 @ 9:23 AM ET
Maybe your reading comprehension needs a little work – the article I posted was not political jargon on the CIA. It was an example/case study into how a monolithic hiring practice creates holes in intelligence gathering... maybe if you didn't just glance the surface of things, you'd be able to see the underlying message.

Second, no one is labeling anyone "anti-female" except yourself and those who feel their fragility. Stop projecting?

If you'd like some further reading on the subject that doesn't set off the "political" tinfoil hats, here are some articles on the large positive impact of diversity hires:

https://hbr.org/2016/11/w...iverse-teams-are-smarter: Harvard Business Review
https://www.forbes.com/si...utcomes/?sh=5c840e2e65ce: Forbes article relating a University of Michigan Study
https://journals.sagepub....10.1177/1745691615598513: Galinsky et al published in Perspectives on Pyschological Sciences, a journal with an impact factor of 9+.
https://www.mckinsey.com/...ns-how-inclusion-matters: McKinsey Consulting Report

- NewYorkNuck


When a dummy like myself knew what point you were making with the posting of that article, you know those that didn't get your point are even dumber than I am, or just like to post their political bullpoop whenever possible.
Maybe a bit of both.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Feb 11 @ 10:03 AM ET
I hope that Dowling clears but think its unlikely. Depth piece.

Hamonic back soon?
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Feb 11 @ 10:12 AM ET
Hopefully there is a bit of action soon now that all the cooks have arrived in the kitchen.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Feb 11 @ 10:21 AM ET
You obviously hate woman to say such things.
- boonerbuck


See, this is exactly why you are such a dick. We were actually having a normal hockey conversation, discussing and debating the different situations with opinion and you and drag it into this.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Feb 11 @ 10:36 AM ET
When a dummy like myself knew what point you were making with the posting of that article, you know those that didn't get your point are even dumber than I am, or just like to post their political bullpoop whenever possible.
Maybe a bit of both.

- Reubenkincade

Yup.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 11 @ 11:01 AM ET
Hopefully there is a bit of action soon now that all the cooks have arrived in the kitchen.
- manvanfan

Time for some Gazpacho
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Feb 11 @ 11:23 AM ET
I don't know why people keep bringing up gender TBH. The Canucks have hired 6 first timers in upper management . Last time we hired three first timers . I guess doubling the chances doubles the odds of success or does it double the chances of failure?

People forget when we hired Benning he was the talk of the town back then and Linden was the golden boy to calm the media. Enter Allvin and Sedins .

Weisbrod was a horrible choice and we have replaced him with his associates Derek Clancey .

My opinion of Granato has to do with the job I seen her do in Seattle as head of scouting and yikes.

I see so many similarities between this new group and the one that just left.

When I see the names floating around that are mentioned in trades it looks no different to me than what Benning was trying to do.

- VANTEL


This will or should be the same from management to management, it's what they do. They trade players to make the team better in their assessment.

Not sure what people are expecting, no names mentioned, "hey we are the new management we will not be trading anyone, great group of mediocre players here but gosh darn it, we're going to be different and never trade or mention trying to better the team...yes I know it's innovative, but we need to be a different management than the last".

Now I was one that was fine with Benning, Linden and I didn't know Weisbrod form the stick boy. Benning had a good go at his vision and it was time for new ideas and a new vision. JR comes in and naturally people will be excited to see the sh[iitshow over a new hope. This is exciting for most until JR creates his own shitshow and is replaced, then there will be a fringe group that will also denounce the new hires and new vision.

Mentioning gender is pretty well expected, they just hired 3 women that has never been done, this is innovative in the NHL circles.

But there will always be the glass half full argument, this is the same, this is worse, this doesn't align with the first words out of his month, these people never succeeded in anything, these people will be overruled by JR, JR traded picks like candy.

If people can voice their displeasure with the new management team, others can certainly voice their support.

I like the change, because it is change with hope, I personally couldn't give a (frank) that JR had 2 superstars and traded players to win 2 Stanley Cups. I also couldn't give 2 shits about past perceived injustices that any of the women or men have done...OMG, she twitted that FA should sell the team...that is sooo terrible.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Feb 11 @ 11:26 AM ET
This will or should be the same from management to management, it's what they do. They trade players to make the team better in their assessment.

Not sure what people are expecting, no names mentioned, "hey we are the new management we will not be trading anyone, great group of mediocre players here but gosh darn it, we're going to be different and never trade or mention trying to better the team...yes I know it's innovative, but we need to be a different management than the last".

Now I was one that was fine with Benning, Linden and I didn't know Weisbrod form the stick boy. Benning had a good go at his vision and it was time for new ideas and a new vision. JR comes in and naturally people will be excited to see the sh

- Makita[iitshow over a new hope. This is exciting for most until JR creates his own shitshow and is replaced, then there will be a fringe group that will also denounce the new hires and new vision.

Mentioning gender is pretty well expected, they just hired 3 women that has never been done, this is innovative in the NHL circles.

But there will always be the glass half full argument, this is the same, this is worse, this doesn't align with the first words out of his month, these people never succeeded in anything, these people will be overruled by JR, JR traded picks like candy.

If people can voice their displeasure with the new management team, others can certainly voice their support.

I like the change, because it is change with hope, I personally couldn't give a (frank) that JR had 2 superstars and traded players to win 2 Stanley Cups. I also couldn't give 2 shits about past perceived injustices that any of the women or men have done...OMG, she twitted that FA should sell the team...that is sooo terrible.

Thank you.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Feb 11 @ 11:27 AM ET
I know right... people in here who can only talk gender when you talk about these hirings think they are not narrow minded.

Meanwhile, Rutherford has himself set up pretty good right now. You question his group and instantly you are a sexist old white boy.

- boonerbuck


Bullshit, the only one that is claiming sexist is you, who in here has claimed sexist? The only one spouting off about old white guys is neem and that has nothing to do with hockey he just hates old people.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Feb 11 @ 11:29 AM ET
Well, they bring up gender because it's hugely novel to have women in roles that have been exclusively male. That seems pretty obvious. Just like having any underrepresented group in a position that they have been excluded from would warrant attention.

As for whether these specific people will succeed in their roles, that's impossible to know and even harder to really metric from the outside. Any large corporate organization has a ton of moving parts, so knowing exactly who does what isn't for us to know.

I'm expect we could do a tracking of years of experience in their role vs. new position chart and apply it to the entire league and their front offices over the last 20 years and I don't know that it would really prove anything with regards to these hires.

- micah555



Solid post, this is also that way I look at the situation.
Load Management
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Feb 11 @ 11:38 AM ET
lol anytime you wanna play for cash let's tee it up brother...

I think the Pixies had one good tune that one from Fight Club...about it.

43 years ago Judas Priest released Stained Class...spin it if you got it!!

- LordHumungous


I grew up across the road from a par 3. Played enough golf growing up to realize it was a lame excuse for a sport. I don't gamble but I'd be willing to lace them up and do shots for cash.

I've seen the Pixies live 3 times and Frank Black 5. Took my Wife to a show for our first date. The guy has written a million great tunes. The one from the Fight Club doesn't rank among the best. If I had to pick, Frank Black- Teenager of the Year would be my desert island album or Pixies- Bossanova.

I'll spin British Steel in place. I don't own Stained Class.
Load Management
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Feb 11 @ 11:40 AM ET
Maybe your reading comprehension needs a little work – the article I posted was not political jargon on the CIA. It was an example/case study into how a monolithic hiring practice creates holes in intelligence gathering... maybe if you didn't just glance the surface of things, you'd be able to see the underlying message.

Second, no one is labeling anyone "anti-female" except yourself and those who feel their fragility. Stop projecting?

If you'd like some further reading on the subject that doesn't set off the "political" tinfoil hats, here are some articles on the large positive impact of diversity hires:

https://hbr.org/2016/11/w...iverse-teams-are-smarter: Harvard Business Review
https://www.forbes.com/si...utcomes/?sh=5c840e2e65ce: Forbes article relating a University of Michigan Study
https://journals.sagepub....10.1177/1745691615598513: Galinsky et al published in Perspectives on Pyschological Sciences, a journal with an impact factor of 9+.
https://www.mckinsey.com/...ns-how-inclusion-matters: McKinsey Consulting Report

- NewYorkNuck


Fuck.
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