Anthony SanFillipo reporting the Frost Demotion is more due to desperation than actual play. He says the Flyers need him to take a step forward to being a #2C. They want him to show he can hit the next level down in AHL He notes that Frost is pretty much the only prospect with a future they need. No other C in the system has any potential to be anything higher than a #4 C.

He also talks about AV VS Yeo's usage of Frost. AV used Frost in a position that could help the team now where as Yeo wanted Frost in a position to help the Flyers in the future hence why he played C with Mahyew and Willman.

Anthony DiMarco also states that if Newhook is not on the table for Giroux, Colorado should be off the table. They Flyers need a good young C. Sanfillipo believes the teams on Giroux's list are Colorado, Carolina, Minnesota and St. Louis

Yes, he is a 5 all-star .. Whoopie!!! How many Cups did he win? Don't forget in 1987 the Flyers had 1-0 lead on Edmonton in game 7, what happened after that? Many people on this form including you have defended Hextall up and down over the past few years, up and down, left and right! But the fact is there is no defense for the decisions Hextall made and the way he ran the organization. And sure, of course you would claim Clarke was only trying to protect Fletcher, because you will never lift your head out of the sand and admit Hextall set this franchise back for years with the poor drafting and developing he did in his 5 years here.
- jd250

PHI scouts at COL AHL game. Reports suggest Flyers looking for: 1st round pick, Roster player and top prospect for Giroux. Avs do not have a 2022 1st so it would be a 2023 pick
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Yes, I posted about this also yesterday. According to rumors, Colorado is targeting Marc-Andre Fleury and Giroux. If I am the Flyers, I attempt to pull off a much bigger trade and get Newhook by any means necessary, cover salary, take back salary, etc. I don't settle for a 2023 1st round pick in the 20s, another bottom 6 player and a prospect that has not shown yet at any level that he belongs.

- THE BLACK HAND

UNSHUN

This is actually amusing ....

RESHUN

Colorado doesn’t have a 1st or a 2nd so I’m struggling to see what they offer. I don’t think Chuck is going to go for a future 1st. And I don’t think Colorado is looking to part with any current roster players like Newhook so I see an impasse.

I’d be trying to get Carolina’s 1st along with the 3rd they acquired from Chicago.

Yes, I posted about this also yesterday. According to rumors, Colorado is targeting Marc-Andre Fleury and Giroux. If I am the Flyers, I attempt to pull off a much bigger trade and get Newhook by any means necessary, cover salary, take back salary, etc. I don't settle for a 2023 1st round pick in the 20s, another bottom 6 player and a prospect that has not shown yet at any level that he belongs.
- jd250

So if the GM does settle for that is that a failure on his part in your opinion?

Also worth noting Fletchers draft history is much better than people give credit for. Think is Fletcher was just not around to get credit dor his picks. From 2009 to 2018 he has drafted:

Nick Leddy
Darcy Kuemper
Erik Haula
Jason Zucker
Mikael Granlund
Jonas Brodin
Matt Dumba
Carson SOucy
Alex Tuch
Kaapo Kahkonen
Joel Eriksson Ek
Joel Greenway
Kirill Kaprisov

Also worth mentioning Tuch was given to Vegas to protect the current DCore Minnesota has: Brodin Spurgeon and Dumba. At the time they couldnt keep all 3 because of Suter. a signing made long before Vegas was even potentially a thing.

What do people think about David Quinn coaching the Flyers next season?

Colorado doesn’t have a 1st or a 2nd so I’m struggling to see what they offer. I don’t think Chuck is going to go for a future 1st. And I don’t think Colorado is looking to part with any current roster players like Newhook so I see an impasse.

I’d be trying to get Carolina’s 1st along with the 3rd they acquired from Chicago.
- hereticpride

They have a 2023 1st round pick. Potential tatrgets outside of Newhook would be Justin Barron

Yes, he is a 5 all-star .. Whoopie!!! How many Cups did he win? Don't forget in 1987 the Flyers had 1-0 lead on Edmonton in game 7, what happened after that? Many people on this form including you have defended Hextall up and down over the past few years, up and down, left and right! But the fact is there is no defense for the decisions Hextall made and the way he ran the organization. And sure, of course you would claim Clarke was only trying to protect Fletcher, because you will never lift your head out of the sand and admit Hextall set this franchise back for years with the poor drafting and developing he did in his 5 years here.
- jd250

You are unraveling even more than usual. Hextall was the Conn Smythe winner against Edmonton in the playoffs.

Here is the facts. Ron Hextall had the Flyers better positioned with a better future outlook than Chuck Fletcher has. Hextall's drafting was not poor.

Also worth noting Fletchers draft history is much better than people give credit for. Think is Fletcher was just not around to get credit dor his picks. From 2009 to 2018 he has drafted:

Nick Leddy
Darcy Kuemper
Erik Haula
Jason Zucker
Mikael Granlund
Jonas Brodin
Matt Dumba
Carson SOucy
Alex Tuch
Kaapo Kahkonen
Joel Eriksson Ek
Joel Greenway
Kirill Kaprisov

Also worth mentioning Tuch was given to Vegas to protect the current DCore Minnesota has: Brodin Spurgeon and Dumba. At the time they couldnt keep all 3 because of Suter. a signing made long before Vegas was even potentially a thing.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

And his last 3 drafts with the Flyers have been very good also

York
Brink
Attard
Desnoyers
Foerster
Andrea
Wisdom
Toumaala

Flyers currently rank in the top 10 of prospects still. Whether they develop is another story of course.

- jd250

You have never read me use the adjective great to describe Hextall's reign as GM. I have consistently labeled his performance as solid. You're welcome to prove otherwise. Or stick to the emoticons.

If he does, I will be the first calling for his head. The Flyers have a BIG opportunity here and they cannot in any way afford to miss it! Doing so will set this franchise back a decade IMO. However, that being said, I like and support Fletcher and I really hope with the additional voices, scouting and analytics at this disposal he and his staff in COLLABORATION (something apparently the previous GM would not do) will make the right decisions. Fingers crossed.
- jd250

Filled with hyperbole. If you think the return for Giroux or any other player they might trade at the deadline is going to be franchise altering, you are going to be disapointted. No GM works in compete collaboration with his staff. The GM is the final decision maker. If you're suggesting that Hextall did not collaborate with any of his subordinates, you would be mistaken. There is no evidence of that.

You are unraveling even more than usual. Hextall was the Conn Smythe winner against Edmonton in the playoffs.

Here is the facts. Ron Hextall had the Flyers better positioned with a better future outlook than Chuck Fletcher has. Hextall's drafting was not poor.
- MJL

Flyers were losers under your Dad. Better positioned for what? another 6 years before it was go time?

They are losers under Fletcher.

Those are the facts.

Hextall was an overrated goalie who had a good couple runs.

Filled with hyperbole. If you think the return for Giroux or any other player they might trade at the deadline is going to be franchise altering, you are going to be disapointted. No GM works in compete collaboration with his staff. The GM is the final decision maker. If you're suggesting that Hextall did not collaborate with any of his subordinates, you would be mistaken. There is no evidence of that.
- MJL

The defending off your father is very entertaining I must say.

Also worth noting Fletchers draft history is much better than people give credit for. Think is Fletcher was just not around to get credit dor his picks. From 2009 to 2018 he has drafted:

Nick Leddy
Darcy Kuemper
Erik Haula
Jason Zucker
Mikael Granlund
Jonas Brodin
Matt Dumba
Carson SOucy
Alex Tuch
Kaapo Kahkonen
Joel Eriksson Ek
Joel Greenway
Kirill Kaprisov

Also worth mentioning Tuch was given to Vegas to protect the current DCore Minnesota has: Brodin Spurgeon and Dumba. At the time they couldnt keep all 3 because of Suter. a signing made long before Vegas was even potentially a thing.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Fletcher has been a good drafter over his career. It's his work at the NHL level that is the issue.

You are unraveling even more than usual. Hextall was the Conn Smythe winner against Edmonton in the playoffs.

Here is the facts. Ron Hextall had the Flyers better positioned with a better future outlook than Chuck Fletcher has. Hextall's drafting was not poor.
- MJL

Who the F^&* cares about an individual award?? Hextall lost the last game of the season 3-1! Parent on the other hand won the last game of the season 1-0 against Bobby Orr, Phil Esposito and the Bruins! Wonder what Roy or Brodeur would have done in those games? The bottom line is, Clarke has 2 Cups, Hextall never won on any team he played for.

They have a 2023 1st round pick. Potential tatrgets outside of Newhook would be Justin Barron
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Yeah, like I said, I don’t think Chuck is going to go for a future 1st. By all accounts they want to turn this thing around sooner rather than later and a bunch of other teams can offer this years 1st.

And his last 3 drafts with the Flyers have been very good also

York
Brink
Attard
Desnoyers
Foerster
Andrea
Wisdom
Toumaala

Flyers currently rank in the top 10 of prospects still. Whether they develop is another story of course.
- jd250

Premature. One player in that list has played significant time in the NHL. Much too soon to rate his drafting as a Flyer.

You have never read me use the adjective great to describe Hextall's reign as GM. I have consistently labeled his performance as solid. You're welcome to prove otherwise. Or stick to the emoticons.
- MJL

Where do I start with his blatant denial?

Who the F^&* cares about an individual award?? Hextall lost the last game of the season 3-1! Parent on the other hand won the last game of the season 1-0 against Bobby Orr, Phil Esposito and the Bruins! Wonder what Roy or Brodeur would have done in those games? The bottom line is, Clarke has 2 Cups, Hextall never won on any team he played for.
- jd250

Do you care about the level he played at in that playoff? That is what earned the individual award. Hextall single handedly lost the game 3-1? I guess he should've score more goals. I can't say I'm shocked that any of this has to be explained to you. There was no comparison made between Clarke and Hextall. You called Hextall a loser. That is an illogical comment.

Who the F^&* cares about an individual award?? Hextall lost the last game of the season 3-1! Parent on the other hand won the last game of the season 1-0 against Bobby Orr, Phil Esposito and the Bruins! Wonder what Roy or Brodeur would have done in those games? The bottom line is, Clarke has 2 Cups, Hextall never won on any team he played for.
- jd250

Do you care about the level he played at in that playoff? That is what earned the individual award. Hextall single handedly lost the game 3-1? I guess he should've score more goals. I can't say I'm shocked that any of this has to be explained to you. There was no comparison made between Clarke and Hextall. You called Hextall a loser. That is an illogical comment.

Where do I start with his blatant denial?
- jd250

Wherever you want. Feel free to provide the proof.

Premature. One player in that list has played significant time in the NHL. Much too soon to rate his drafting as a Flyer.
- MJL

Did you read my last sentence?? The Flyers were routinely in the top 10 of the league in prospects when Hextall was here, and what did it get us? Picking good prospects is one thing, whether they develop into good NHL players is another. I mean Attard and Brink are leading the NCAA in scoring at their respective positions. That is nice but in the grand scheme of things, it means nothing. Will their games translate to the professional level? Will their skills fit in to the identify and skillset of the team? Will they stay healthy through fitness and competent medical advice? Will they have that fire to continue to fight and improve over time? That is something you don't know at draft time, thus picking what pundits, who label themselves experts even though they don't work for an NHL team, call top prospects is step 1 in what could be many series of steps before those picks become contributing players.

Who the F^&* cares about an individual award?? Hextall lost the last game of the season 3-1! Parent on the other hand won the last game of the season 1-0 against Bobby Orr, Phil Esposito and the Bruins! Wonder what Roy or Brodeur would have done in those games? The bottom line is, Clarke has 2 Cups, Hextall never won on any team he played for.
- jd250