Not in the league, but in the Metro division if completely healthy I think they make the playoffs. No team IMO from the Metro is at Tampa, Florida or the Avs' level.
- jd250

4 of the TOP 9 teams in the league are in the METRO

JFC dude

No, not to me, that's what a re-tool means. Making more trades and using free agency. Exactly like he has done the entire time he has been here. Now after all that was said at the press conference and how they have done things since Fletcher has been here, you think it's going to change? You don't even realize what you're saying when you say you support Fletcher and his plans.
- MJL

I am ok with a retool, I just don't see it as possible, they need skill and speed throughout the line up. They don't have speed in the system or high end skill. In one off-season they will not be able to clear the cap space and acquire what is needed. Then what is the option, collect 3 first picks and develop again? Where they will pick that is at least 3-5 years of growing up those picks. CF is in a very tight spot, no real options. Even if he didn't give away the picks in the off-season, they still would not be close.

I am glad to see that you are conceding that his "retooling" trades have been a failure. Risto and Ellis are worse than adding nothing at all. Now, "retool" is a euphemism for "tanking?" This is the action that Chuck is to implement? And you are optimistic? Please google "Stockholm syndrome" and read up on what you suffer from. Yeesh.
- iamscore2day

I had no problem with the deals this past offseason because I like others thought this team was closer than they actually were. I still would make the Ellis trade and I think he will prove that trade was a good move next year. With Risto, if the team was closer then I had no problem with the trade but since the team is where it is right now, that gamble didn't pay off and thus I would move him at the deadline to recoup assets.

The Bs are not close and I think they will be lucky to beat out the Red Wings for a wildcard spot. The Pens and Canes are good teams and are well coached, however I don't think they win a series against what IMO are the upper echelon teams in the league.
- jd250

Losing Marchand won't help but I think they should do it comfortably. I think the Canes and Pens each have questions about how their goaltending will play out so that is a fair point. Florida looks very solid but their rise has been pretty quick. We'll see how long it lasts. Tampa is just a machine. I look for the Caps to swing pretty hard for the fences here. They are going to make a big play for a goalie and a D-man. If they can plug those holes, that will make for an interesting playoff.

NAK with another goal yesterday. 14 points in 34 games now for Colorado.

Since his last game for the Flyers on 11/4, Brown, MacEwen, Willman, Mayhew, Bunnaman, Cates and Thompson have combined for 15 points in 129 combined games.

The Rangers have at least 4 young players in their system that are underperforming or just don't have a shot yet at breaking into the lineup. The 4 players are Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil and Lundkvist. I would think if the Rangers decided to go for it this season, they are going to have to deal 1 or 2 of these players.
- jd250

Yes they would part with 3 of the 4 but not Kakko...they have other d prospects they could trade also but they atent going to drain their stocked pool for a rental

First of all, I asked a question to kick off a normal dialog around a relevant topic, not to have another useless discussion with you about what I said or didn't say. However you act like you have complete inner knowledge of what the Rangers would or would not do and you don't! So stop acting like you are some sort of authority on everything Rangers because you are not. There has been a lot of chatter around the Rangers of late and what they potentially could trade to go for it this season, and Kakko is one of those players.
- jd250

If they traded Kakko it wouldn't be for a rental it would be for a top prospect center

Not in the league, but in the Metro division if completely healthy I think they make the playoffs. No team IMO from the Metro is at Tampa, Florida or the Avs' level.
- jd250

Maybe, maybe not. They would be a bubble team. It's criminal what team management has done to get the team to just that point.

Straight up, of course not, but if the Flyers wanted Kakko they might work out a larger trade. Same with Newhook, I don't expect the Avs to trade Newhook for only a rental, but in a larger deal, maybe. This would be another way the Flyers can be aggressive at the deadline to obtain young and potentially top end talent.
- jd250

So now you're changing your premise?

The Bs are not close and I think they will be lucky to beat out the Red Wings for a wildcard spot. The Pens and Canes are good teams and are well coached, however I don't think they win a series against what IMO are the upper echelon teams in the league.
- jd250

You don't think the Canes are one of the upper echelon teams in the league?

I am ok with a retool, I just don't see it as possible, they need skill and speed throughout the line up. They don't have speed in the system or high end skill. In one off-season they will not be able to clear the cap space and acquire what is needed. Then what is the option, collect 3 first picks and develop again? Where they will pick that is at least 3-5 years of growing up those picks. CF is in a very tight spot, no real options. Even if he didn't give away the picks in the off-season, they still would not be close.
- wcorvette

If Fletcher is in a tight spot, he put himself there. There are definitely real options.

Neither is a long term fit to play with Provorov but right now, the defense should be Provorov/Sanheim, York/Braun and Seeler/Ristolainen.
- MJL

Seeler has no business in the lineup. Zamula.

NAK with another goal yesterday. 14 points in 34 games now for Colorado.

Since his last game for the Flyers on 11/4, Brown, MacEwen, Willman, Mayhew, Bunnaman, Cates and Thompson have combined for 15 points in 129 combined games.
- Feanor

If comparing, I would stick to wingers.

Also, it should be noted that NAK was -4 with 6 points in his last 34 games as a Flyer.

So now you're changing your premise?
- MJL

There isnt anything other then Giroux as a rental the Rangers would want from the Flyers..Their forward group..defensive group and goaltending is so much better. If Flyers had strong C prospect but that doesnt exist. The only current Flyers who could even make the Rangers roster as a top 6 fwd or top 4 dman would be Atkinson ..Provorov.. and of course G

Saint Ronnie was 100% responsible for the Andy Mac contract. Funny his harem refuses to accept or believe that.

Kakko for CC. There is zero chance the Rangers do that. A laughable proposal imo.

It is interesting that the sons of 2 GM’s ( hextal and Fletcher) post on these boards.

Any word on when future employee of the flyers Nate Thompson will return?

Is Hart a RFA or UFA after his 3 year deal is up (too lazy to look)

If comparing, I would stick to wingers.

Also, it should be noted that NAK was -4 with 6 points in his last 34 games as a Flyer.
- NC Flyers Fan

Our system seems to bring out the best in all of our talent, don't ya think?

If comparing, I would stick to wingers.

Also, it should be noted that NAK was -4 with 6 points in his last 34 games as a Flyer.
- NC Flyers Fan

NAK is/was better than the players the flyers decided to keep over him. That is really the bottom line.

Saint Ronnie was 100% responsible for the Andy Mac contract. Funny his harem refuses to accept or believe that.

Kakko for CC. There is zero chance the Rangers do that. A laughable proposal imo.

It is interesting that the sons of 2 GM’s ( hextal and Fletcher) post on these boards.

Any word on when future employee of the flyers Nate Thompson will return?

Is Hart a RFA or UFA after his 3 year deal is up (too lazy to look)
- hello it's me 2050

Not much logic here. Homer made the call. Hexy got the task. Also, after Homer screwed the pooch with the egregious error on the Pronger deal, he was probably gun shy of trying to handle another contract. BTW, if you want to live in a binary world, you miss the reality of things.

Our system seems to bring out the best in all of our talent, don't ya think?
- iamscore2day

Yes, truly that is what must be fixed.

NAK is/was better than the players the flyers decided to keep over him. That is really the bottom line.
- hello it's me 2050

No, I don’t think it is. Tons of talent in the Flyer’s prospect pool with NAK potential or better. Let’s not let this happen to them is the point.

Yes, truly that is what must be fixed.
- NC Flyers Fan

I could not agree more. But it all starts with Lappy in LV. Little wonder our talent there is not developing. Then Chuck adds AV, Therien and Yeo @ the bigs. His bias for action has been a recipe for failure. In true Flyers' mode, however, CF gets to double down.

No, I don’t think it is. Tons of talent in the Flyer’s prospect pool with NAK potential or better. Let’s not let this happen to them is the point.
- NC Flyers Fan

In fairness, I think both things are true.

Why do they think all they need to do is a retool? This franchise is in the basement and has 0.0 superstars and possibly 2 young 'stars'. Giroux, a former 'star', is probably best poised to provide salary cap relief and prospects/picks in a TDL rental deal. It won't be pretty but get something. Otherwise they'll either Sundin/Tavares him and lose him for nothing or end up re-signing this aged star to finish out his career with dwindling numbers and most likely overpayment.

I could not agree more. But it all starts with Lappy in LV. Little wonder our talent there is not developing. Then Chuck adds AV, Therien and Yeo @ the bigs. His bias for action has been a recipe for failure. In true Flyers' mode, however, CF gets to double down.
- iamscore2day

I thought after last year, no matter what the Flyers did last off season they would be better this year.

How Chuck gets another go is beyond me.

Not much logic here. Homer made the call. Hexy got the task. Also, after Homer screwed the pooch with the egregious error on the Pronger deal, he was probably gun shy of trying to handle another contract. BTW, if you want to live in a binary world, you miss the reality of things.
- iamscore2day

Stop. Holmgren was stepping down. Ronnie was taking his place. He let the Saint make the call on Andy Mac. It was all his doing. Why cant you accept that?