No, I don’t think it is. Tons of talent in the Flyer’s prospect pool with NAK potential or better. Let’s not let this happen to them is the point.
- NC Flyers Fan

Has nothing to do with the flyers prospect pool at all.

Look who they kept. If you think those players are better than NAK then that is funny as hell to me.

Why do they think all they need to do is a retool? This franchise is in the basement and has 0.0 superstars and possibly 2 young 'stars'. Giroux, a former 'star', is probably best poised to provide salary cap relief and prospects/picks in a TDL rental deal. It won't be pretty but get something. Otherwise they'll either Sundin/Tavares him and lose him for nothing or end up re-signing this aged star to finish out his career with dwindling numbers and most likely overpayment.
- Pixote Andolini

They're literally back to the Bob Clarke days of GMing. FA/Trade your way to a cup. It worked so well with all the cups that have racked up.

In fairness, I think both things are true.
- iamscore2day

Well, the poster said the bottom line. It is impossible to determine whether NAK could revive his potential with the Flyers. Change of scenery had an effect, not to mention the better environment.

Stop. Holmgren was stepping down. Ronnie was taking his place. He let the Saint make the call on Andy Mac. It was all his doing. Why cant you accept that?
- hello it's me 2050

Sure, the sitting GM had nothing to do with it. That makes a lot of sense. There are few things in life that are all or nothing. You do realize that, right? You want to bash Hexy for not throwing himself in front of this deal, I'll give you some of that. You want to say that he should have pushed back on his GM? Or waited until Homer stepped down and tried a different deal? I'll give you those too. You want to put it all on Hexy? Just not factual. That is your intepretation.

Well, the poster said the bottom line. It is impossible to determine whether NAK could revive his potential with the Flyers. Change of scenery had an effect, not to mention the better environment.
- NC Flyers Fan

I can't disagree with any of that. What worries me is that the environment will lead us to unload folks like sanheim, TK or IP. Each of those guys will go somewhere else and flourish. In Boston or Pittsburgh, TK could be a 30 goal scorer.

I could not agree more. But it all starts with Lappy in LV. Little wonder our talent there is not developing. Then Chuck adds AV, Therien and Yeo @ the bigs. His bias for action has been a recipe for failure. In true Flyers' mode, however, CF gets to double down.
- iamscore2day

I’m not sure how the Lappy decision is going to pan out. I think perhaps he is learning and improving as a head coach. He does seem like he has a good personality for development. I have already said that the AV and company decision was very bad. Fletcher getting one more shot at a coaching staff to me seems like slightly less risky than just starting over with a new GM. The idea being he can learn from this and should know the players throughout the organization well by now.

They're literally back to the Bob Clarke days of GMing. FA/Trade your way to a cup. It worked so well with all the cups that have racked up.
- rayc16

This. 100%.

I can't disagree with any of that. What worries me is that the environment will lead us to unload folks like sanheim, TK or IP. Each of those guys will go somewhere else and flourish. In Boston or Pittsburgh, TK could be a 30 goal scorer.
- iamscore2day

Absolutely, I am scared especially about the defense.

I’m not sure how the Lappy decision is going to pan out. I think perhaps he is learning and improving as a head coach. He does seem like he has a good personality for development. I have already said that the AV and company decision was very bad. Fletcher getting one more shot at a coaching staff to me seems like slightly less risky than just starting over with a new GM. The idea being he can learn from this and should know the players throughout the organization well by now.
- NC Flyers Fan

Well, the idea was that he would have learned from Minny. Seems like that did not pan out. We need to go somewhere that has won consistently and find a guy. TB would be good. Someone just hired Stevie Y's guy. This new person has to clean out management and look at what we have for players, coaches and scouts. Not gonna happen for several years unless the wheels really fall off and CCast cans Scott. Not holding my breath.

Has nothing to do with the flyers prospect pool at all.

Look who they kept. If you think those players are better than NAK then that is funny as hell to me.
- hello it's me 2050

Do you think it is also possible that some of the players still here are not performing as well as they would with a better environment?

Well, the poster said the bottom line. It is impossible to determine whether NAK could revive his potential with the Flyers. Change of scenery had an effect, not to mention the better environment.
- NC Flyers Fan

NAK was better than the options the flyers kept. Who do you htink is better that they kept?

Well, the idea was that he would have learned from Minny. Seems like that did not pan out. We need to go somewhere that has won consistently and find a guy. TB would be good. Someone just hired Stevie Y's guy. This new person has to clean out management and look at what we have for players, coaches and scouts. Not gonna happen for several years unless the wheels really fall off and CCast cans Scott. Not holding my breath.
- iamscore2day

To me, it seems like Fletcher didn’t take enough evaluation time and early decisions over-corrected or were badly thought out, especially in regards to coaching and player development. I do think he learned from Minny, but every organization is going to be different. He needs to get it right this time.

You don't think its possible that Clarke talks to people within the Flyers organization from time to time when he comes up for events? You don't think its possible he could have heard a story or two from scouts or other people he knows? I don't think its far fetched to believe Clarke can know about what goes on behind the scenes and still have no say in decisions that are made.
- jd250

Of course Clarke, as a senior advisor, knows what’s going on. It’s not like Hextall had state secrets. Had the Patrick pick worked or if the Flyers were a decent squad, then none of these decisions would be questioned. I think some grasp at straws and get caught up in the words when all that really matters is the outcome. I haven’t heard one person say what Clarke said as being wrong. NO ONE has refuted it. He may have not got the exact d man right, but even it it was Heskinan, does that matter. No it doesn’t. Our own Bill even had knowledge of what happened and I guess you could argue what he says is “Hearsay”, but no one has refuted the actual story.

NAK was better than the options the flyers kept. Who do you htink is better that they kept?
- hello it's me 2050

Sandin.

Sure, the sitting GM had nothing to do with it. That makes a lot of sense. There are few things in life that are all or nothing. You do realize that, right? You want to bash Hexy for not throwing himself in front of this deal, I'll give you some of that. You want to say that he should have pushed back on his GM? Or waited until Homer stepped down and tried a different deal? I'll give you those too. You want to put it all on Hexy? Just not factual. That is your intepretation.
- iamscore2day

He was GM in name only. He passed on the duties to the Saint. Hextal was the one who wanted to keep him at the contract he gave him not Holmgren.

Yes it is a fact it was all on the Saint.

Do you think it is also possible that some of the players still here are not performing as well as they would with a better environment?
- NC Flyers Fan

The players still here that they kept over NAK stink. So no I do not think they would be better. In fact they wouldn't even sniff the ice on the avs.

It isn't even about the points NAK has put up with the avs. He is just a better player. That's it.

NAK with another goal yesterday. 14 points in 34 games now for Colorado.

Since his last game for the Flyers on 11/4, Brown, MacEwen, Willman, Mayhew, Bunnaman, Cates and Thompson have combined for 15 points in 129 combined games.
- Feanor

But teammates

Sandin.
- NC Flyers Fan

Sandin wasnt/isnt on the roster at the time. Try again.

Tells you what they think of Sandin right now doesn't it.

Of course Clarke, as a senior advisor, knows what’s going on. It’s not like Hextall had state secrets. Had the Patrick pick worked or if the Flyers were a decent squad, then none of these decisions would be questioned. I think some grasp at straws and get caught up in the words when all that really matters is the outcome. I haven’t heard one person say what Clarke said as being wrong. NO ONE has refuted it. He may have not got the exact d man right, but even it it was Heskinan, does that matter. No it doesn’t. Our own Bill even had knowledge of what happened and I guess you could argue what he says is “Hearsay”, but no one has refuted the actual story.
- landros 2

You should track down Bryan Burke's news story. You are also reading too much into folks' silence about this. A lot of the prospects that Clarke slammed are still playing. Unlike Clarke, most folks think it is classless and brutal to be forecasting failure for young guys still trying to make it. As for "decent squad," Hakstol really lacked only goaltending to make the playoffs regularly. Now, our plan is to tank and we get to watch a group of castoffs playing NHL teams. And, it turns out that this is Chucky and Bobby running things. So, Clarkie attacks Hextall and his picks to cover his A and his friend's son.

Not sure what is more nauseating: what he did or how it gets defended. And I loved Clarkie as a player. As a GM, not so much. As a special advisor, not at all.

He was GM in name only. He passed on the duties to the Saint. Hextal was the one who wanted to keep him at the contract he gave him not Holmgren.

Yes it is a fact it was all on the Saint.
- hello it's me 2050

Good luck in the land of black and white.

Sandin wasnt/isnt on the roster at the time. Try again.

Tells you what they think of Sandin right now doesn't it.
- hello it's me 2050

If memory serves, he was at LV when we optioned NAK. I agree with your point but I think he was there.

If completely healthy I think this Flyers team could compete with all these teams and win their share of games.
- jd250

This probably is not the case. If guys like Coots, Ellis, G and JVR were in their prime maybe. But they are not.

Sandin wasnt/isnt on the roster at the time. Try again.

Tells you what they think of Sandin right now doesn't it.
- hello it's me 2050

I don’t need to. The issue is in plain sight.

Good luck in the land of black and white.
- iamscore2day

Saint Ronnie failed. Say it.

To me, it seems like Fletcher didn’t take enough evaluation time and early decisions over-corrected or were badly thought out, especially in regards to coaching and player development. I do think he learned from Minny, but every organization is going to be different. He needs to get it right this time.
- NC Flyers Fan

This is another ill that has plagued the organization since 1987 and is why the list of former flyers winning cups with other teams is so long. We get many, many assessments wrong. Picking the wrong horse is the Flyer way: Ricci, Forsberg, RBA, Williams, Sharpe, Carter, Mellanby, Maroon and Bob and others show how dumb we are. Now we have the guy who traded Brent Burns away and drafted but did not sign Kaprizov making talent calls. Hideous.