I don’t need to. The issue is in plain sight.
- NC Flyers Fan

Yes it is. NAK > who they kept.

Saint Ronnie failed. Say it.
- hello it's me 2050

He's your saint. Not mine. But he is working again. And as a GM. And at one of the best organizations in the NHL. So, maybe the league does not see his tenure the way you do.

This is another ill that has plagued the organization since 1987 and is why the list of former flyers winning cups with other teams is so long. We get many, many assessments wrong. Picking the wrong horse is the Flyer way: Ricci, Forsberg, RBA, Williams, Sharpe, Carter, Mellanby, Maroon and Bob and others show how dumb we are. Now we have the guy who traded Brent Burns away and drafted but did not sign Kaprizov making talent calls. Hideous.
- iamscore2day

So funny. Break down each trade. Mentioning Maroon is hysterical.

How long is the list of players on other teams that have won a cup? There is your assignment for the day.

If Fletcher is in a tight spot, he put himself there. There are definitely real options.
- MJL

should have said no real good options.

If CF goes after picks, you are back to a build. If he retools, it will be more patch work. You are left with making good hockey trades to upgrade speed and then maybe adding skill in the off-season. There are some good FA's out there, maybe there will be a blockbuster trade out there. The Oilers might have to do something drastic. CF will need to move JVR and maybe not sign G or G would really need to take a friendly deal. The tradeables with return and cap savings like Laughton, TK and Farabee actually have speed and skill. CF if he moved the likes of TK would need to thread the needle and get what the team needs to take a step forward. If not, a trade that is more lateral really does nothing to change their future. It does feel like TK will be the piece to move, maybe add sweeteners to get the best player in the deal. Has TK stagnated, yeah but he would be better if the team was not so dysfunctional.

I think we all know CF is going to believe with a healthy Coots, Ellis, Hayes and Farabee he can just add and tweak and the Flyers will finally get some luck and be able to get into the playoffs.

I don't find drafting and building (only) a good way to go and I don't see a retool being an easy needle to thread. How do they move RR and CG and pick up a couple 1st, find a way to get a 2nd. Keep the high 1st and use the other in a trade. Just spit balling on what CF will do with what he said he is going to do. None of it matters unless they figure out how to develop players, they are abysmal at it.

He's your saint. Not mine. But he is working again. And as a GM. And at one of the best organizations in the NHL. So, maybe the league does not see his tenure the way you do.
- iamscore2day

Wow so he is working again. The ole boys club is strong. Many many bad GM's/coaches get multiple chances. He also has a handler he reports to.

He failed here. Accept it. Get over it. Move on.

Wow so he is working again. The ole boys club is strong. Many many bad GM's/coaches get multiple chances. He also has a handler he reports to.

He failed here. Accept it. Get over it. Move on.
- hello it's me 2050

He seems to live in your head too. Accept that the league does not share your view and that he is not your problem now: Chucky is. And Hexy's "handler" seems to be the way most smart franchises are structuring things. Typically, the Flyers are not there yet.

One question for you: can you name a number between 46 and 48? One more question: how many years do you think it will go? At least 50, right? Enjoy the current "leadership" my friend, you deserve them.

So funny. Break down each trade. Mentioning Maroon is hysterical.

How long is the list of players on other teams that have won a cup? There is your assignment for the day.
- hello it's me 2050

I have a lot to do and will have to get back to you. Feel free in the meantime to do your own work. I do love the Maroon reaction. It is so typical. The only "yes, but" excuses that work in my view are like when Buddy cut Cris Carter because he was about to throw it all away on a big mistake. Maroon is like the others in that he was talented and we got rid of him and he has won several cups.

I have a lot to do and will have to get back to you. Feel free in the meantime to do your own work. I do love the Maroon reaction. It is so typical. The only "yes, but" excuses that work in my view are like when Buddy cut Cris Carter because he was about to throw it all away on a big mistake. Maroon is like the others in that he was talented and we got rid of him and he has won several cups.
- iamscore2day

Do you know why Marroon was let go?

So now you're changing your premise?
- MJL

There was no premise to change ... I was just asking a question that if G was willing to go to the Rangers and the Rangers were willing to part with Kakko, would we want him? I didn't at any point say straight up for G or define any parameters of a potential trade. That is what you imposed on what I said, which you do all the time!

You don't think the Canes are one of the upper echelon teams in the league?

- MJL

No, I don't.

Do you know why Marroon was let go?
- hello it's me 2050

Oh yes. Would you agree that it has worked out for the teams who straightened him out? Have you ever wondered why we did not bother? Maybe we thought Syvret would be the better pro?

No, I don't.
- jd250

Seems like crazy talk.

Oh yes. Would you agree that it has worked out for the teams who straightened him out? Have you ever wondered why we did not bother? Maybe we thought Syvret would be the better pro?
- iamscore2day

yes he turned his life and career around. Kudos to him. He got a wake up call and responded.

You say yes you know why he was let go yet you say that in bold. They tried numerous times. Talked to him numerous times. He was a bad influence off and on the ice. He was given multiple chances. He had to go.

Had nothing to with Syvert in any way.

yes he turned his life and career around. Kudos to him. He got a wake up call and responded.

You say yes you know why he was let go yet you say that in bold. They tried numerous times. Talked to him numerous times. He was a bad influence off and on the ice. He was given multiple chances. He had to go.

Had nothing to with Syvert in any way.
- hello it's me 2050

He is in the more questionable part of that sphere but it is large and there are some examples (Forsberg, Williams, Carter and Bob) that are just unforgiveable. Not surprised about Syvert. He and Marroon had very different trajectories.

should have said no real good options.

If CF goes after picks, you are back to a build. If he retools, it will be more patch work. You are left with making good hockey trades to upgrade speed and then maybe adding skill in the off-season. There are some good FA's out there, maybe there will be a blockbuster trade out there. The Oilers might have to do something drastic. CF will need to move JVR and maybe not sign G or G would really need to take a friendly deal. The tradeables with return and cap savings like Laughton, TK and Farabee actually have speed and skill. CF if he moved the likes of TK would need to thread the needle and get what the team needs to take a step forward. If not, a trade that is more lateral really does nothing to change their future. It does feel like TK will be the piece to move, maybe add sweeteners to get the best player in the deal. Has TK stagnated, yeah but he would be better if the team was not so dysfunctional.

I think we all know CF is going to believe with a healthy Coots, Ellis, Hayes and Farabee he can just add and tweak and the Flyers will finally get some luck and be able to get into the playoffs.

I don't find drafting and building (only) a good way to go and I don't see a retool being an easy needle to thread. How do they move RR and CG and pick up a couple 1st, find a way to get a 2nd. Keep the high 1st and use the other in a trade. Just spit balling on what CF will do with what he said he is going to do. None of it matters unless they figure out how to develop players, they are abysmal at it.
- wcorvette

A build is a very good option in my opinion. It should be the only option considered. You do things in levels. You don't put yourself in a position where you have to make deals. You exercise patience and make the right deals. That's how top teams have operated. An example is how Colorado got Devin Toews. NYI were in a cap bind and Colorado got themselves a stud defenseman cheap. The Flyers should be looking to stock pile assets. Act a conduit for teams in cap binds for future assets.
Fletcher is going to wheel and deal and make more deals from the perspective and making the best deal he can find rather than exercising patience. They're going to dive in deep into free agency.

There was no premise to change ... I was just asking a question that if G was willing to go to the Rangers and the Rangers were willing to part with Kakko, would we want him? I didn't at any point say straight up for G or define any parameters of a potential trade. That is what you imposed on what I said, which you do all the time!
- jd250

So when you mention and ask if the Flyers could trade Giroux for Kaako, and not mentioning any other players or assets involved, you aren't talking straight up?


Okay, got it. LMAO

No, I don't.
- jd250

Delusional.

So what is it that makes Carolina not one of the top teams in the league?

Their 3rd best in the league point% of .728?

Their record of 32-11-3?

How about their league best GA/GP of .237?

How about their 5th best GF/GP of .348?

How about their PP% of 24.8%?

How about their league best PK% of 89.4%?

So are we seeing now why I’ve said for years now it was always a 10 year rebuild to do it right? When you have cap problems and no high end prospects and building from scratch it’s 10 years.

2-3 years to clear cap and start to build of prospects base

Another 3-4 years to build up prospect base and start to turn over any prime age players for assets or start turning some young prospects to get younger more skill or move up draft to take higher elite skill

Another 2-4 years to turn roster over and or trade assets to fill holes for cup run if good enough.

Just look at kings cup runs and the moves made the prior 10 years

The only way to speed that up a little is get lucky in a few spots… maybe win a lottery and get a star. Or get a college free agent to sign like fox. Or get extremely lucky in draft with star players or late round picks that hit home run.

So are we seeing now why I’ve said for years now it was always a 10 year rebuild to do it right? When you have cap problems and no high end prospects and building from scratch it’s 10 years.

2-3 years to clear cap and start to build of prospects base

Another 3-4 years to build up prospect base and start to turn over any prime age players for assets or start turning some young prospects to get younger more skill or move up draft to take higher elite skill

Another 2-4 years to turn roster over and or trade assets to fill holes for cup run if good enough.

Just look at kings cup runs and the moves made the prior 10 years

The only way to speed that up a little is get lucky in a few spots… maybe win a lottery and get a star. Or get a college free agent to sign like fox. Or get extremely lucky in draft with star players or late round picks that hit home run.
- Stayin alive

So that means 57 years without an SC if you are starting the clock right now? That is a lot of futility.

sh!te for wright!

Why do you have such a cynical view of others? Not everyone has unlimited time to view sports. I'm not a soccer fan and I don't like watching soccer. However if the Phila. Union win the championship, that's great. I don't normally follow the Sixers during the season but I love the playoffs. Yes, I'm a bandwagon Sixers fan and a lemming. It has nothing to do with wanting to belong to something. It has to do with, wait for it. Entertainment!
- MJL

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ....................................................................... Everyone's different. I said I don't get it and I still don't. If I don't follow a team there is no emotional investment, and therefore, no interest. I find soccer terribly boring, so I'd never watch. I played the sport in school. Fun enough to play, but boring as hell to watch. Don't really watch basketball either, and therefore, not interest. Thanks!