Hmmm ... let me think for a second ... oh ya .. you're a loser!
- jd250

Keep em coming

That's right .. everything Fletcher and his cronies do is wrong, its a crapshow, clownshow and so on and so on ...

I hate to break it to you all, but Cam York is not Cale Makar. He is a 21 year old promising defensive prospect that needs to continue to play and gain experience. I and most people around hockey would prefer to not rush prospects and give them the time they need to develop both in their game and physically so when they do become an NHL regular, they have a fighting chance of succeeding.

I really don't understand the logic of this and other posts on the same vein. Ron Hextall was probably the most conservative GM in hockey when it came to not rushing his prospects, but now because Fletcher wants to do the EXACT SAME THING, he is being reamed for it. It just shows the continued BIAS and HYPOCRACY from some on this forum.
- jd250

I see a ban in your future.
Don't you dare say that Frost will be nothing nut another top AHLer or middling NhLer,
cause he did miss a year you know so It will take him a while to show hustle, drive, grit and determination shift in shift out.
Mix his skills with the way Zac Mac plays every shift and I would say hey this kid is going to be great.

I have watched Frost numerous times when the puck is O zone on a hold in
and him near the blue line just circle and get off the ice.

Its illogical to you because your not very bright.
- jd250

Maybe not but I understand that the boards in the AHL and the NHL are the same with regards to a player crashing into them awkwardly.

I see a ban in your future.
Don't you dare say that Frost will be nothing nut another top AHLer or middling NhLer,
cause he did miss a year you know so It will take him a while to show hustle, drive, grit and determination shift in shift out.
Mix his skills with the way Zac Mac plays every shift and I would say hey this kid is going to be great.

I have watched Frost numerous times when the puck is O zone on a hold in
and him near the blue line just circle and get off the ice.
- konalover711

I didn't mention Frost here, but when I hear Briere, Fletcher and Yeo all speak of Frost, there is always a but or caveat in their comments, for example he is doing well but ... I already had my own doubts about Frost (though I was happy to see him playing better, at least being more noticeable in the last few weeks) and it concerns me when I hear he is still struggling on the Phantoms and listen to what the coaches and leadership on the Flyers are saying. I'm starting to wonder if Frost might be available at the deadline or in the off season.

That's right .. everything Fletcher and his cronies do is wrong, its a crapshow, clownshow and so on and so on ...

I hate to break it to you all, but Cam York is not Cale Makar. He is a 21 year old promising defensive prospect that needs to continue to play and gain experience. I and most people around hockey would prefer to not rush prospects and give them the time they need to develop both in their game and physically so when they do become an NHL regular, they have a fighting chance of succeeding.

I really don't understand the logic of this and other posts on the same vein. Ron Hextall was probably the most conservative GM in hockey when it came to not rushing his prospects, but now because Fletcher wants to do the EXACT SAME THING, he is being reamed for it. It just shows the continued BIAS and HYPOCRACY from some on this forum.
- jd250

On what basis are you making any claim or insinuation that anybody has in any way whatsoever, compared York to Cale Makar? Secondly, when York was up and playing with the Flyers, you routinely posted that he was making an "impact" and was playing well. Of course you will deny this. Now all of a sudden it's about rushing the player. Stating that it has anything to do with bias and hypocrisy is again, illogical.

Maybe not but I understand that the boards in the AHL and the NHL are the same with regards to a player crashing into them awkwardly.
- MJL

My comment had NOTHING to do with the boards, that was what you and the other lame brain concluded. I was simply referring to the fact that NHL players are bigger, stronger and faster than AHL players and thus the force of that hit MIGHT have been greater and thus causing York to be more seriously injured. If you disagree, that's fine, but like I said, leave it at that.

Yes, the article just didn't slam Fletcher enough for your liking, eh? I will say this quote must have really hurt when you read it:

"It’s astonishing how Hextall drafted Patrick when Cale Makar was still available on the board. Now, Patrick isn’t even a Flyer and Makar is using the 2021-22 season to establish himself as the Norris Trophy favorite."

What do you think Clarkie? "None of our scouts wanted Nolan Patrick!" Yup, that's what I thought.
- jd250

That has been litigated numerous times in the past. The author is an idiot and fails to consider that at the time, Nolan Patrick was considered the most NHL ready prospect in the draft and a future NHL #1 center. As well as being a consensus top 2 pick in the draft. However, you can ignore those simple facts if you'd like and focus on the hearsay of one of the country club members who was attempting to protect Fletcher's job. As well as this fantasy you have that any negative comments towards Hextall "hurts" me.

I didn't mention Frost here, but when I heae Briere, Fletcher and Yeo all speak of Frost, there is always a but or caveat in their comments, for example he is doing well but ... I already had my own doubts about Frost (though I was happy to see him playing better, at least being more noticeable in the last few weeks) and it concerns me when I hear he is still struggling on the Phantoms and listen to what the coaches and leadership on the Flyers are saying. I'm starting to wonder if Frost might be available at the deadline or in the off season.
- jd250

Oh sorry thats what got me banned is speaking of Frost.

My comment had NOTHING to do with the boards, that was what you and the other lame brain concluded. I was simply referring to the fact that NHL players are bigger, stronger and faster than AHL players and thus the force of that hit MIGHT have been greater and thus causing York to be more seriously injured. If you disagree, that's fine, but like I said, leave it at that.
- jd250

"Looks like York fell awkwardly into the boards"

Hockey is hockey and players in the AHL hit as hard as NHL players do. Your comment that it could've been worse in the NHL is not based on anything logical and was poorly thought out.

On what basis are you making any claim or insinuation that anybody has in any way whatsoever, compared York to Cale Makar? Secondly, when York was up and playing with the Flyers, you routinely posted that he was making an "impact" and was playing well. Of course you will deny this. Now all of a sudden it's about rushing the player. Stating that it has anything to do with bias and hypocrisy is again, illogical.
- MJL

York was playing well overall. Sure he made a few mistakes but I was fine with that because that's life as a rookie. And I would have been fine with York staying with the Flyers. But Fletcher explained his reasoning for sending both York and Frost back to the Phantoms and to me it seemed quite logical, i.e. he wants to give them both more minutes in all situations. York was playing 3rd pairing minutes with the Flyers and pairing with Yandle of all players. Frost was playing 3rd line minutes. All I am saying is Hextall had the SAME EXACT philosophy when it came to not rushing prospects as Fletcher has demonstrated, and yet because you just don't like Fletcher he is a clown. It the same thing you do with Risto. Once you have a preconceived opinion of someone that's it, there is no redemption and never an acknowledgement that maybe, just maybe, they made the right move and did the right thing.

I would have more respect if they sent us a letter like the Rangers did.
- wcorvette

It was respected because they did what they said they would. To be fair some solid draft picks and some really good FA signings along with good trades that brought their plan to fruition a lot quicker then even they thought.

My comment had NOTHING to do with the boards, that was what you and the other lame brain concluded. I was simply referring to the fact that NHL players are bigger, stronger and faster than AHL players and thus the force of that hit MIGHT have been greater and thus causing York to be more seriously injured. If you disagree, that's fine, but like I said, leave it at that.
- jd250

Here is a sample of easy back and forth on your comment
The only thing for me is in the A the jealousy factor of a future pro and a career A guy,
that could propel a guy to aim to injure the potential pro.

I would add that people who believe he wouldn't get hurt if he wasn't there....
If his dad was his mom he wouldn't be there either.

No comment about the density of the wood Ahl v NHL..

York was playing well overall. Sure he made a few mistakes but I was fine with that because that's life as a rookie. And I would have been fine with York staying with the Flyers. But Fletcher explained his reasoning for sending both York and Frost back to the Phantoms and to me it seemed quite logical, i.e. he wants to give them both more minutes in all situations. York was playing 3rd pairing minutes with the Flyers and pairing with Yandle of all players. Frost was playing 3rd line minutes. All I am saying is Hextall had the SAME EXACT philosophy when it came to not rushing prospects as Fletcher has demonstrated, and yet because you just don't like Fletcher he is a clown. It the same thing you do with Risto. Once you have a preconceived opinion of someone that's it, there is no redemption and never an acknowledgement that maybe, just maybe, they made the right move and did the right thing.
- jd250

Hextall kept players who were NHL ready in the NHL immediately, including Provorov and Konency. What you haven't considered is that the Flyers made a choice in playing Frost 3rd line minutes. Same with York. We've already discussed multiple times that the development strategy that Yeo was using with Frost is archaic. York should be up and paired with Braun and getting solid minutes.

Fletcher has simply done a poor job. The facts bear that out. Ristolanen is a mediocre player and all the facts bear that out. When confronted with those facts, all you can do is tell people they're full of crap, that they have a bias or some other nonsense. There is zero substance behind your retorts and you pay way too much attention to what both Yeo and Fletcher say in my opinion.

I smell a revenge game, even with this roster lol. Flyers 5-3

https://broadstreetbuzz.com/2022/02/11/flyers-failed-build-future/

Seems to crystallize most everything everyone says here regarding the prospects. (Although the Makar/Patrick thing still is a bit of revisionist history). Nonetheless, hockey people are supposed to know this. We’re always on the wrong side of risky picks or reaches. Of course Flyers drafted Rubsov and O’Brien yet didn’t “reach” for Makar. Oh the joys of being a flyers fan
- mikeyo27

The Makar (or Heiskanen, actually) thing is not revisionist hstory. Chris Therien and I were upstairs at the Skate Zone shooting the breeze with a Flyers scout several years ago -- while Patrick was still very much part of the plan here -- and he told us the consensus was that the defensemen were going to be better NHL players at their positions than Patrick as a C. Hexy (and, I guess, Sarge) were homed in on Patrick. But the same scout pointed out that the internal ranking in 2011 had Brodin at the top and that Homer (right after trading Richards and Carter) insisted that it be reconsidered (Couturier then moved to the top). This discussion was after Couturier was coming off a 30 goal season. The scout noted that 2011 worked out great and that Patrick could ultimately justify Hexy's decision.

The only real difference was that Homer involved the scouts (a less favorable description would be "twisted arms") to get another discussion where Couturier being a C got him a little stronger consideration whereas Hexy allegedly just went with his own gut feeling that Patrick's flat-line development between under-age and draft season was solely injury related.

That's what get lost in the whole revisiting of the 2017 Draft. The GM/AGM get the final say, rightfully so.

Its illogical to you because your not very bright.
- jd250

if YOU'RE going to challenge someone's intelligence at least get the grammar correct

Hextall kept players who were NHL ready in the NHL immediately, including Provorov and Konency.
- MJL

He didn't. Both Provorov and TK spent another year in junior hockey after their draft year. And both had good first NHL camps.

He didn't. Both Provorov and TK spent another year in junior hockey after their draft year. And both had good first NHL camps.
- bmeltzer

In terms of starting in the AHL or the NHL out of juniors.

My comment had NOTHING to do with the boards, that was what you and the other lame brain concluded. I was simply referring to the fact that NHL players are bigger, stronger and faster than AHL players and thus the force of that hit MIGHT have been greater and thus causing York to be more seriously injured. If you disagree, that's fine, but like I said, leave it at that.
- jd250

It really sounds more and more like Hextall was a dictator that fell on his sword!! Sounded as if he thought he was the smartest kid in class and didn't give a shyte what anyone else thought. I really hate to say this, but it again shows you that the Pens are a better run organization than the Flyers. Yes, they hired Hextall, but they also brought in Brian Burke(very well respected around the NHL) to babysit him. Looking forward to watching the BU game on Monday night on the NHL Network. Wanna see what this O'Brien kid has(or doesn't have). Won't be watchin much of the Flyers most likely unless Yandle gets yanked from the lineup or they replace the players with strippers on skates. Thanks!

Bill would any team care about JVR at this point?

Lets make sure we use analytics after this loss instead of the eye test

Between the two of them they are over 50 percent of the posts on the first page. Didn’t count but guessing. Used to not pay attention to who was writing what. But now it just saves incredible time.
- Peter Richards

Still longing for that block button. Just actually eliminating the multiple duplicate accounts/lifetime bans would help. Then the block button could eliminate the several that just want to argue, pump up their chests and talk down to the rest.

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- THE BLACK HAND

No self respecting southerner uses instant grits.

It really sounds more and more like Hextall was a dictator that fell on his sword!! Sounded as if he thought he was the smartest kid in class and didn't give a shyte what anyone else thought. I really hate to say this, but it again shows you that the Pens are a better run organization than the Flyers. Yes, they hired Hextall, but they also brought in Brian Burke(very well respected around the NHL) to babysit him. Looking forward to watching the BU game on Monday night on the NHL Network. Wanna see what this O'Brien kid has(or doesn't have). Won't be watchin much of the Flyers most likely unless Yandle gets yanked from the lineup or they replace the players with strippers on skates. Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

Hextall wanted to run his own show. Some of the most successful executives in hockey and the business world operate in this same manner. Hextall obviously had confidence in his decision making abilities. He can’t say he got bad info from the scouts who were watching theses kids as it appears they got it right. In his case Hextall made a mistake and he owns that. This was Hextall’s first gig with him fully as the decision maker. I would assume he’s smart enough to know where he went wrong in his days as the GM and probably operates some what differently in his new role in Pitt.