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1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Feb 18 @ 11:36 AM ET
@Reuby

The NHLPA should suggest that the league estimate HRR for Arizona based on percent attendance in the new arena as if it were a regular arena (tickets, food & beverage, jerseys etc). That way players can still get 50% of the “total” revenue and owners share the loss by playing in a junior rink.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Feb 18 @ 11:36 AM ET
Don't forget, our record is largely thanks to Demko. JR had it right when he said this is at best and average team getting bailed out by a Franchise goalies. Our biggest issue is a need for better PKers and realistically a right handed centre that can PK.
- Retinalz


Although I agree with most of your points, I think the biggest need is players who can skate better and be involved on the play more.
I think most of these players tend be like being on the perimeter, not engaging in the hard areas.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Feb 18 @ 11:38 AM ET
Never stated that anywhere in my post, all teams win games they shouldn't, been that way since the game began, all that matters is the win.

When at the end of the season do the NHL exec go well Canucks had 5 games where they were outplayed and shouldn't have won so let's discount that...oh here are 4 games they dominated the 1st period and the goalies bailed them out the other 2 periods so discount that....here we are 80pts so there no playoffs for them.

- Makita


I say it because you brought up their record under Buddha as if that were how good a team they are now.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Feb 18 @ 11:41 AM ET
It will be interesting to see if Green gets another NHL head coaching job.
- bloatedmosquito

He will. Like Eakins just needs to get some seasoning.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Feb 18 @ 11:42 AM ET
Don't forget, our record is largely thanks to Demko. JR had it right when he said this is at best and average team getting bailed out by a Franchise goalies. Our biggest issue is a need for better PKers and realistically a right handed centre that can PK.
- Retinalz

lol a .700 clip under Boudreau and it's all Demko...

Does he score goals too?

lol
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Feb 18 @ 11:42 AM ET
So, apparently he discounted about half of the players for one reason or another:

“Included here are all skaters drafted between 2004 and 2014 who were drafted in their first year of eligibility outside of the first round that I deem, through my model, as low probability bets (these players, overall, only make the NHL 14% of time).”

- 1970vintage


Either there was a lot of 2nd year eligibility players drafted or he deemed a lot of players to not be low probability players, basically cherry-picking his stats to fit his narrative.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Feb 18 @ 11:44 AM ET
@Reuby

The NHLPA should suggest that the league estimate HRR for Arizona based on percent attendance in the new arena as if it were a regular arena (tickets, food & beverage, jerseys etc). That way players can still get 50% of the “total” revenue and owners share the loss by playing in a junior rink.

- 1970vintage


Not a bad idea, as that would be more than the Coyotes would ever generate, even if only 2000 people show up. Lol
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Feb 18 @ 11:51 AM ET
Not a bad idea, as that would be more than the Coyotes would ever generate, even if only 2000 people show up. Lol
- Reubenkincade


Might make the owners rethink their support for Bettman as Commish.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Feb 18 @ 11:51 AM ET
He will. Like Eakins just needs to get some seasoning.
- LordHumungous


Back to the AHL for him me thinks.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Feb 18 @ 11:53 AM ET
Might make the owners rethink their support for Bettman as Commish.
- 1970vintage


That would be nice.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Feb 18 @ 11:57 AM ET
Back to the AHL for him me thinks.
- bloatedmosquito

Can see him a an assistant for an NHL club then back to head coaching in 2-3 seasons.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Feb 18 @ 12:04 PM ET
I say it because you brought up their record under Buddha as if that were how good a team they are now.
- 1970vintage

I brought in up in response to the continued criticism on this team, that is the record under Boudreau, I could give a rats ass if there are a faction that can only see negative aspects of the club.

The team needs a few moves but there is a positive to this team and that right now is the turn-around from the Green era, they are winning and that is the focus....or everyone but a few here can claim non stop doom and gloom and proclaim that as their right because 50+ years...yada, yada.

All good from me, I'll continue to be positive, you guys continue to be negative and life continues.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Feb 18 @ 12:05 PM ET
I say it because you brought up their record under Buddha as if that were how good a team they are now.
- 1970vintage

Is that because it doesn't fit your narrative?
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Feb 18 @ 12:13 PM ET
I brought in up in response to the continued criticism on this team, that is the record under Boudreau, I could give a rats ass if there are a faction that can only see negative aspects of the club.

The team needs a few moves but there is a positive to this team and that right now is the turn-around from the Green era, they are winning and that is the focus....or everyone but a few here can claim non stop doom and gloom and proclaim that as their right because 50+ years...yada, yada.

All good from me, I'll continue to be positive, you guys continue to be negative and life continues.

- Makita

A legit top 4 RHD with size. An upgrade on Brad Hunt. Burroughs has been good on the left filling in but an upgrade. A 3lc PK center.

That would be a good start. Maybe if Canucks could draft those in the coming years.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Feb 18 @ 12:13 PM ET
Can see him a an assistant for an NHL club then back to head coaching in 2-3 seasons.
- LordHumungous

Back to Portland.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Feb 18 @ 12:21 PM ET
Is that because it doesn't fit your narrative?
- manvanfan


No, it’s because I watched the game, and the two teams playing it did not look good enough to win 4 playoff games.
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: Sayulita
Joined: 09.02.2014

Feb 18 @ 12:22 PM ET
why? you another neemer that believes older experienced people should be kicked to the curb and ridiculed because...well they are older than you guys...
- Makita

You’re proving my point old man, go take your vitamins.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Feb 18 @ 12:24 PM ET
You’re proving my point old man, go take your vitamins.
- K-man25

Already have, and the only point you have is not at all relevant to running a NHL club
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Feb 18 @ 12:24 PM ET
No, it’s because I watched the game, and the two teams playing it did not look good enough to win 4 playoff games.
- 1970vintage

You watched one game and decided the entire season? You are talking about Bader being selective.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Feb 18 @ 12:27 PM ET
You watched one game and decided the entire season? You are talking about Bader being selective.
- manvanfan


No, I watched another game, and like the ones before it it didn’t change my opinion of the makeup of the team. There is still a lot of work to do, two coaching changes wasn’t enough to get them to their goal of winning a cup.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 18 @ 12:31 PM ET
@Vantel.

I assume this is was you were referring to last night

NHLPA has some concerns about the Coyotes temporary home
TSN: Chris Johnston said that NHLPA has some concerns about the Arizona Coyotes temporary home at ASU.

“As if there isn’t enough to talk about between the league and the Players’ Association, another item on their agenda is what happens with hockey-related revenue and who covers potential losses with the Coyotes going to a 5,000 seat arena.

It’s a little early in those talks to forecast where exactly it ends up, but at this point in time the players are worried that they are going to have to foot half the bill if the Coyotes do lower their HRR number and that’s something they’re working through with the NHL

- Reubenkincade


K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: Sayulita
Joined: 09.02.2014

Feb 18 @ 12:31 PM ET
Already have, and the only point you have is not at all relevant to running a NHL club
- Makita


I guess we’ll just have to see what moves he makes.
It’s not bad getting old for some, just saying the games changing and some have a harder time adjusting than others. I’m sure your one of the exceptions.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Feb 18 @ 12:31 PM ET
I brought in up in response to the continued criticism on this team, that is the record under Boudreau, I could give a rats ass if there are a faction that can only see negative aspects of the club.

The team needs a few moves but there is a positive to this team and that right now is the turn-around from the Green era, they are winning and that is the focus....or everyone but a few here can claim non stop doom and gloom and proclaim that as their right because 50+ years...yada, yada.

All good from me, I'll continue to be positive, you guys continue to be negative and life continues.

- Makita

There are some positives but this is the team that Benning and to some extent, Green built. I'm happy with the direction under Boudreau and Rutherford has so far done what he said he wanted to do. It is also refreshing to hear an honest assessment of the team from management. I think one or two key trades could turn the fortunes of this team around fairly quickly but until I see that change this is still the same perimeter team that relies on allstar goaltending. I think after the shitshow of the past 8 years, people are still entitled to be pessimistic. I thought the Canucks looked like they did at the start of the season last night and were lucky to win against an equally disorganized looking team.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Feb 18 @ 12:31 PM ET
No, I watched another game, and like the ones before it it didn’t change my opinion of the makeup of the team. There is still a lot of work to do, two coaching changes wasn’t enough to get them to their goal of winning a cup.
- 1970vintage

They made trades, drafted at the top end of the draft, signed free agents, moved their AHL farm club.

What's left to do that hasn't been tried?
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Feb 18 @ 12:35 PM ET
They made trades, drafted at the top end of the draft, signed free agents, moved their AHL farm club.

What's left to do that hasn't been tried?

- manvanfan


I guess you’re right, this is as good as it gets, there’s nothing left to do.
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