Benning is like Burke. Set up the team for the future.
- manvanfan

Except Burke didn’t finish 2nd last, 3rd last, 5th last and 6th last within a five year period during his tenure. Which produced Pettersson & Quinn Hughes.

National Geographic should do an episode of "Seconds From Disaster" about it.
- Load Management

National Geographic on Disney is awesome.

Second episode "Ushering in a new era"

National Geographic on Disney is awesome.

Second episode "Ushering in a new era"
- manvanfan

👍😁

Benning was absolutely thinking about the future. Good trade chips and another high draft pick for the next GM.

Richardinson trade not so much.
- manvanfan

JT Miller Deal = Net positive for sure. He should be able to be traded for more than 20th OA, a 3rd, and throw in goalie.
Garland if just taken alone as some say he was what the 1st acquired in the OEL deal = Net Lose IMO. I wouldn't be giving up a 9th OA for him.
So Miller when dealt is worth how much in relation to Garland cost? Way more than 9th OA + +

Except Burke didn’t finish 2nd last, 3rd last, 5th last and 6th last within a five year period during his tenure. Which produced Pettersson & Quinn Hughes.
- LeftCoaster

How did they draft one of the Sedin's then?

How did they draft one of the Sedin's then?
- manvanfan

You obviously didn’t read what I wrote

NUCKER!
- carsonagenic

Hai

My Boy...

What up dog?


- LordHumungous

Same old same old


Just truckin along

JT Miller Deal = Net positive for sure. He should be able to be traded for more than 20th OA, a 3rd, and throw in goalie.
Garland if just taken alone as some say he was what the 1st acquired in the OEL deal = Net Lose IMO. I wouldn't be giving up a 9th OA for him.
So Miller when dealt is worth how much in relation to Garland cost? Way more than 9th OA + +
- carsonagenic

Insiders said Garland would be a 1st and 2nd just for him. Unless OEL gets you something. Probably not winning that trade at best hoping to come out equal.

Yeah your right that's all it takes. Mix the cake batter and it becomes a cake. Unreal

Hamhuis erhoff Higgins lappy demitra they all fell out of the sky right? Signing Burr and the twins and Kesler to team friendly deals. That just happened by itself?
- Jkuzzi

Hamhuis did. The guy went to UFA publicly stating he would only sign in Vancouver. Even a monkey could have landed him as a FA. Bennings Miller trade tops every single Gillis trade and it ain't even close. Both had historically bad trades as well. I'm glad Benning is gone, but he was handed sh!t and was incapable of turning it into gold, due to being and overall terrible GM. But I trust Bennings ability to draft a future core a lot more than Gillis.

Hamhuis did. The guy went to UFA publicly stating he would only sign in Vancouver. Even a monkey could have landed him as a FA. Bennings Miller trade tops every single Gillis trade and it ain't even close. Both had historically bad trades as well. I'm glad Benning is gone, but he was handed sh!t and was incapable of turning it into gold, due to being and overall terrible GM. But I trust Bennings ability to draft a future core a lot more than Gillis.
- Retinalz

Benning >>> Gillis

We win a cup with Benning and that core

Insiders said Garland would be a 1st and 2nd just for him. Unless OEL gets you something. Probably not winning that trade at best hoping to come out equal.
- manvanfan

I guess that is 1 of about 19725 reasons why I'm not an Insider... I would never pay that for Garland.

You obviously didn’t read what I wrote
- LeftCoaster

You said Burke didn't finish 2nd last. In his first season as GM they did finished 2nd last.

Hamhuis did. The guy went to UFA publicly stating he would only sign in Vancouver. Even a monkey could have landed him as a FA. Bennings Miller trade tops every single Gillis trade and it ain't even close. Both had historically bad trades as well. I'm glad Benning is gone, but he was handed sh!t and was incapable of turning it into gold, due to being and overall terrible GM. But I trust Bennings ability to draft a future core a lot more than Gillis.
- Retinalz

While the Miller deal is good and better than any Gillies deal, don't underestimate P White and Rahimi for a great top four dman in Ehrhoff.

Benning >>> Gillis

We win a cup with Benning and that core
- Nucker101

Will Rutherford be able to do what Nonis, Gillis and that other guy couldn't with Burke's core?

Will Rutherford be able to do what Nonis, Gillis and that other guy couldn't with Burke's core?
- manvanfan

No he won't.
This core isn't good enough to compete all the way to a Stanley Cup final game 7.

While the Miller deal is good and better than any Gillies deal, don't underestimate P White and Rahimi for a great top four dman in Ehrhoff.
- carsonagenic

A lot of differences in the state of the team between the two GM's. Both did good and bad.

In simple terms.

Benning's job was to build a new core and win. He mostly succeed at one thing and failed at the other.

Gillis's job was to win a cup and he failed. He also failed at creating any sort of future or long term success.

A lot of differences in the state of the team between the two GM's. Both did good and bad.

In simple terms.

Benning's job was to build a new core and win. He mostly succeed at one thing and failed at the other.

Gillis's job was to win a cup and he failed. He also failed at creating any sort of future or long term success.
- manvanfan

They were different times, yes
Net result = Failure on both

You said Burke didn't finish 2nd last. In his first season as GM they did finished 2nd last.
- manvanfan

No, that’s not what he said.

No he won't.
This core isn't good enough to compete all the way to a Stanley Cup final game 7.
- carsonagenic

Are you going to give them a chance like the 10 years the Sedins got?

Barkov, Huberdeau are in their 9th and 10th seasons. Never made it out of the first round. Will have only made the playoffs 4 times.

I read what you type and I see you blindly looking only at the current moment and the past. Your mindset of future doesn't include actual future possibilities.

If you traded a first round pick and a third round pick and soon later get a first round pick and say 2- second round picks. Is that not a long term vision?
- manvanfan

Please, I'd love for you to tell me what you think the future possibilities are. Not, just that, but the future probabilities based off of precedent. Seriously, I want to hear.

Your second part lacks context, so not necessarily.

You said Burke didn't finish 2nd last. In his first season as GM they did finished 2nd last.
- manvanfan

"...finish 2nd last, 3rd last, 5th last and 6th last within a five year period during his tenure..."

Context.

You said Burke didn't finish 2nd last. In his first season as GM they did finished 2nd last.
- manvanfan

That’s not what I said, you cherry picked one part of what I said. I said Benning had a five year period of terrible finishes which helped him set the club up going forward. Burke didn’t have that, but, he did have Pavel Bure as a trade chip. It’s too bad Benning did such a terrible job of wasting two of those opportunities, like many other Canuck GM’s.

Kevin Lowe and Peter Chiarelli sure set the Oilers up for success as well.

Are you going to give them a chance like the 10 years the Sedins got?
No chance from me.
Barkov, Huberdeau are in their 9th and 10th seasons. Never made it out of the first round. Will have only made the playoffs 4 times.
- manvanfan

I would take Barkov and Huberdeau over any Canuck player, and have been vocal about Barkov being the type of player I would build a team around. So just on that point, they deserve a shot over this Canuck squad.
Next, the Panthers have drafted and traded to build this team and maximize their Cup competing window, which is now open for multiple years. They have struggled with consistency up to this season for sure, but that team is now stacked with elite veterans, solid scoring depth players, and good contributing youth as well. Plus they have almost 3 million in cap space to add. And the South East Division is a beast compared to the Pacific.
The Canucks are not in any way at this point in the Panthers position. And when they might be, salary cap and expiring contracts will kill their depth, the farm does not have the talent to replace it, and we keep trading 1st's away...

You are not winning with Bo Petey and Hughes as the future


wussy wussy and more wussy. I will leave it at that.