No, you're not stirring anything up at all. I don't really disagree too much with points you made, other than that I think he's a good 3rd liner and has meshed well with Pageau.

The points obviously aren't there but he's doing everything but scoring. Not ideal, but not the person I'm blaming for the way the Isles are playing this season either.

The Islanders problem is that they're slow as all hell. Outside of pretty much Barzal/Beau/Pageau, everyone else is slower than dirt.

It's not all on Lou/Trotz, there are a whole bunch of guys who simply aren't performing as well as they need to.
- eichiefs9

I agree about Parise & Pageau. The hustle and work are there, the points just aren't coming.

Yes but you can still go (frank) yourself.
- Cptmjl

Sorry, I honestly reported this by accident

Hindsight being 20/20, yeah it was a killer. But we had Leddy, Mayfield, Greene, Hickey(yeah, I know) and I believe it was still unknown that Boychuk wouldn't be able to play anymore. We also had Dobson, Pelech & Pulock coming around. Then there was Salo, Aho, Wotherspoon and Vande Somple in Bridgeport. Maybe the thought was that a few of the younger guys were going to make a bigger impact than they have. I don't know if it was a cap-driven move. But when you have 10-12 guys fighting for 6 spots, someone is going away. If you want to argue that they traded the wrong one, well, I wouldn't put up much resistance. Just remember, things don't always work out the way they would have if something changes. Maybe Toews doesn't progress as quickly as he has in Colorado. Maybe they trade Pulock or Pelech instead of Toews. What then? We watch Pelech be the shut-down defenseman he is on another team and say "we shouldn't have traded him". I just think that Lou will make the right moves for next season.
- Isleshockeyman

Playing with makar can't hurt. Toews was just able to skate it out of trouble but again hindsight is 20 20

Guys who hustle barzal beau Parisie pageau Dobson pelech. Bellows when he plays as well. The rest seem to be coasting and major changes will be happening after this year bank on it but when they do go down don’t get upset or mad and blame the gm.

Fair points, but Parise has been the least of their problems this year.

Chara just isn't an NHL defenseman at this point. He's averaging 18:30/gm which is just absurd given how terrible he's been. I have a ton of respect for the guy and his entire career, but I'm really starting to scratch my head as to how they keep trotting him out there every night and watch him cough up pucks and get beat left and right.
- eichiefs9

Greene has been way better

Greene has been way better
- Upstate_isles

I don't hate Greene at all, honestly. He's been fine in the role he's played for us. He's old and slow but he seems to still be able to play a steady and predictable (which we know Barry loves) game. He's fine in my book. I'd prefer someone better, obviously, but I think he's been solid for us.

Sorry, I honestly reported this by accident
- eichiefs9

Good hopefully I get banned

I don't hate Greene at all, honestly. He's been fine in the role he's played for us. He's old and slow but he seems to still be able to play a steady and predictable (which we know Barry loves) game. He's fine in my book. I'd prefer someone better, obviously, but I think he's been solid for us.
- eichiefs9

Greens been solid Chara has not been. Parise I like but again I'd like to see an upgrade in his spot

Good hopefully I get banned
- Cptmjl

Unfortunate post to slip up on

Greens been solid Chara has not been. Parise I like but again I'd like to see an upgrade in his spot
- Upstate_isles

Chara has been better then he was in the beginning of the season but what are we really saying? He’s still awful. I’m not really sure why anyone was expecting different this was exactly how he was for Washington last year. My hope was he played sheltered minutes and didn’t play every game and be more of a 6/7. That was stupid of me to think that would happen I guess. Even when given an obvious better option in Salo that vet stink was to hard to resist and next thing you know Chara was a number 1 or 3 defenseman again

Green has been serviceable but can’t keep pulling from that well and not thinking it’ll be empty sometime soon.

Unfortunate post to slip up on
- eichiefs9

I don’t think the mods give a crap about this thread save for when they’re targeting one of us which we both know happens occasionally

I certainly wouldn't go so far as to say that the game has passed Lou by or some of the brilliance has faded. They went to the conference finals just last year. So a few of his moves didn't pan out this year. And, as Chiefs pointed out, there are quite a few players that seemed to have regressed, not stepped up, or just didn't meet expectations this season.
- Isleshockeyman

I don’t think calling Lou less brilliant is a big knock on him and I purposely avoided saying the game has passed him by because like you said he just took them to the ECF and I don’t think I could defend that. Lou missed on 4 older guys but other than Palmieri, none of them hurt much with salary and term. The Islanders needed Parise to provide solid secondary scoring as a 3rd liner and he hasn’t done that. While that’s a smaller problem it’s just one more thing that didn’t pan out. All GMs make mistakes. I think Lou is stellar but less than in his prime. My opinion only. I love all Parise did in Minny and hope he gets his 400th.

I don’t think calling Lou less brilliant is a big knock on him and I purposely avoided saying the game has passed him by because like you said he just took them to the ECF and I don’t think I could defend that. Lou missed on 4 older guys but other than Palmieri, none of them hurt much with salary and term. The Islanders needed Parise to provide solid secondary scoring as a 3rd liner and he hasn’t done that. While that’s a smaller problem it’s just one more thing that didn’t pan out. All GMs make mistakes. I think Lou is stellar but less than in his prime. My opinion only. I love all Parise did in Minny and hope he gets his 400th.
- Minnyhock

I'm not necessarily saying I disagree with you about Lou. The man is, after all, 79 years old. You just know he's trying to get one more ring before hanging up the phone for good. So maybe he took a run at what worked with the Devils. Didn't work out this year. We'll see if he changes direction next year and tries to get younger. But God help me, if he signs Ken Daneyko to a contract, I'm out.
Parise has not provided the secondary scoring that we needed, but neither has anyone else. Hell, we haven't even gotten the primary scoring that the team needed. It's been a sh!t year all around. And as of late, Sorokin has let in some goals that, quite frankly, were pretty weak. He's been cheating off the post and getting beat for it. Goaltending hasn't been up to snuff either. Yeah, I know, the D has kind of left them on an island with bad passes and turnovers a few times.

Chara has been better then he was in the beginning of the season but what are we really saying? He’s still awful. I’m not really sure why anyone was expecting different this was exactly how he was for Washington last year. My hope was he played sheltered minutes and didn’t play every game and be more of a 6/7. That was stupid of me to think that would happen I guess. Even when given an obvious better option in Salo that vet stink was to hard to resist and next thing you know Chara was a number 1 or 3 defenseman again

Green has been serviceable but can’t keep pulling from that well and not thinking it’ll be empty sometime soon.
- Cptmjl

I believe the only reason Trotz is playing Chara is to pass Chelios. I think he'll start sitting some games after that. Only one more to tie him.

I believe the only reason Trotz is playing Chara is to pass Chelios. I think he'll start sitting some games after that. Only one more to tie him.
- Isleshockeyman

Doesn’t matter at this point really and if trotz didn’t ice the best possible lineup every game in his head due to Chara needing to earn some stat well he can go (frank) off himself in all honesty. I would like to think that wasn’t the case considering our current situation. I can give a rats arse about whether Chara passes chelios in anything and neither should any other fan when it comes to the success of the team.

[quote=Isleshockeyman]. But God help me, if he signs Ken Daneyko to a contract, I'm out.

Doesn’t matter at this point really and if trotz didn’t ice the best possible lineup every game in his head due to Chara needing to earn some stat well he can go (frank) off himself in all honesty. I would like to think that wasn’t the case considering our current situation. I can give a rats arse about whether Chara passes chelios in anything and neither should any other fan when it comes to the success of the team.
- Cptmjl

You can give a rats ass all you want but it's happening. He ties it tonight and breaks it the next game.
I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I believe you stated that Salo is better than Chara. If so, then Trotz throwing Chara out there each night to chase a record is not good coaching. If he's not putting him out there to chase a record, but because he thinks he's the better option, then that's not good coaching either. Would that be a correct summation?
I don't care about this record either, I care about the team winning. Personally, I think Salo is a little better than Chara right now. He brings more speed, better stick-handling and better puck movement. Hard to argue with Chara's physical presence though.
All this said, it doesn't mean I want Trotz canned, fired, gone or jettisoned into the sun (I'm talking to you, 7).

You can give a rats ass all you want but it's happening. He ties it tonight and breaks it the next game.
I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I believe you stated that Salo is better than Chara. If so, then Trotz throwing Chara out there each night to chase a record is not good coaching. If he's not putting him out there to chase a record, but because he thinks he's the better option, then that's not good coaching either. Would that be a correct summation?
I don't care about this record either, I care about the team winning. Personally, I think Salo is a little better than Chara right now. He brings more speed, better stick-handling and better puck movement. Hard to argue with Chara's physical presence though.
All this said, it doesn't mean I want Trotz canned, fired, gone or jettisoned into the sun (I'm talking to you, 7).
- Isleshockeyman

It’s so obvious you want trotz fired and Lou canned.

It’s so obvious you want trotz fired and Lou canned.
- Cptmjl

Saw right through that, did you.

Guys who hustle barzal beau Parisie pageau Dobson pelech. Bellows when he plays as well. The rest seem to be coasting and major changes will be happening after this year bank on it but when they do go down don’t get upset or mad and blame the gm.
- kasperrko

Why not?

Saw right through that, did you.
- Isleshockeyman

I don’t think calling Lou less brilliant is a big knock on him and I purposely avoided saying the game has passed him by because like you said he just took them to the ECF and I don’t think I could defend that. Lou missed on 4 older guys but other than Palmieri, none of them hurt much with salary and term. The Islanders needed Parise to provide solid secondary scoring as a 3rd liner and he hasn’t done that. While that’s a smaller problem it’s just one more thing that didn’t pan out. All GMs make mistakes. I think Lou is stellar but less than in his prime. My opinion only. I love all Parise did in Minny and hope he gets his 400th.
- Minnyhock

Like most GM's Lou has done some good things and some bad.

Good - Locked up guys like Brock, Pelech, and Pulock long term for deals much less that anyone expected or they deserved.
Traded for JGP
Signed Trotz
very good first draft in 2018 .. Drafted Dobson & Wahlstrom.
Unloaded Ladd contract..

Bad- traded Toews, Leddy and then allowed Eberle to be taken in expansion draft.
Instead of signing one of the many sold D-men out there in off season.. signed Chara and Greene.

At this point I would really like to see Aho, Salo and Bolduc to get some NHL time. Hutton too... they should ship the UFA's as soon as possible for whatever they can get.. if anything

I certainly wouldn't go so far as to say that the game has passed Lou by or some of the brilliance has faded. They went to the conference finals just last year. So a few of his moves didn't pan out this year. And, as Chiefs pointed out, there are quite a few players that seemed to have regressed, not stepped up, or just didn't meet expectations this season.
- Isleshockeyman

Past him by 3 years ago according to most.

Like most GM's Lou has done some good things and some bad.

Good - Locked up guys like Brock, Pelech, and Pulock long term for deals much less that anyone expected or they deserved.
Traded for JGP
Signed Trotz
very good first draft in 2018 .. Drafted Dobson & Wahlstrom.
Unloaded Ladd contract..

Bad- traded Toews, Leddy and then allowed Eberle to be taken in expansion draft.
Instead of signing one of the many sold D-men out there in off season.. signed Chara and Greene.
- niteislander

Not much choice in the matter. Seattle was taking somebody. They weren't going to take Martin, Johnston or Zeeker. If you want to say that Lou didn't protect him by making some kind of deal, you can. But none of us have any way of knowing that he wasn't trying to make a deal. Maybe they wanted way too much. Maybe they weren't making any deals. Either way, someone was going. If I remember correctly, and I'm not sure I am since I'm as old as dirt, Bailey wasn't protected either.