There are some very good FA's available if the Flyers can clear some cap space.

I'm all in on Klingberg.
- mochoson

Sorry, he's not 200-foot and truculent enough for the city of Philadelphia.

They could go with this next season on D:

Provy - Klingberg
Sanheim - Ellis
York - ?
?
- NC Flyers Fan

In reality they will resign Risto

Dear Mr Fletcher,
It's time to sell.
Sell it all.
We don't need picks, prospects or another team's junk players.

We need money.
Then we can BUY good players in the off-season.

See how that works?

They could go with this next season on D:

Provy - Klingberg
Sanheim - Ellis
York - ?
?
- NC Flyers Fan

Klingberg is not the kind of D we need. Can only imagine the complaining that would be done here. Especially since his +/- is worse than Ristolainen which for some reason people hold as a meaningful stat.

Canes are good. I watched them take it to the Pens yesterday. If Jarry didn’t make some great saves or if the canes would have buried them, that game would have been 6-2 or 6-3. I expect them to skate right by the Flyers. Funny, now, I’d rather be picking top 5, then getting in just to lose.

These late game losses are perfect entertainment. Why does everyone complain?
Went down to the Capitals game. The undermanned Flyers(and that must be acknowledged) played decently, good energy. Game was competitive and we had a chance to win right up to the end. Then poof, we lost in last few minutes, keeping us on track for a high draft pick. I watch or attend every game and wouldn't mind the rest of season is like that.

These late game losses are perfect entertainment. Why does everyone complain?
Went down to the Capitals game. The undermanned Flyers(and that must be acknowledged) played decently, good energy. Game was competitive and we had a chance to win right up to the end. Then poof, we lost in last few minutes, keeping us on track for a high draft pick. I watch or attend every game and wouldn't mind the rest of season is like that.
- biggbear77

Me neither, skeleton crew, roster and coaching staff next year will see some serious turn over. Hope we lose every single game.

I’m really hoping the Flyers don’t trade Giroux just to trade Giroux. If the deal makes sense and helps the Flyers moving forward, pull the trigger. If the deal is Gagne to Tampa for Matt Walker, don’t even bother. A deal like let’s say a third line roster player with potential upside and a second round pick isn’t enough for me ship G out so he can win a cup.

Seriously, what is up with all of these injuries? ... Put JVR on waivers and send him down. He has checked out. He skates around chewing on his mouth piece like it's an afternoon skate in the middle of July. He can't come back for another year at any cost. Thanks for nuttin!
- Phillywhiteout

I've gotta' think Nashville knew something was up with Ellis and chronic injuries before the trade... and I'm not talking about the broken finger. Or may even be a combination that he doesn't want to play for the Flyers (he always seemed in the press conferences that he hated being here) and his chronic injuries to just make him say, "Why bother."

Couldn't agree more about JvR. I'd love to see some kind of creative deadline trades where we retain half salary on JvR and ship him and a pick to the Kraken, while we take on some dead salary for a pending UFA from Tampa or Toronto or Colorado and get the same pick for doing so. I haven't been this anxious to pay someone not to play since Bryz.

Klingberg is not the kind of D we need. Can only imagine the complaining that would be done here. Especially since his +/- is worse than Ristolainen which for some reason people hold as a meaningful stat.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I don’t know what you mean. We need the kind that help us play offense while limiting defensive errors. Play with the puck so we defend less.

They could go with this next season on D:

Provy - Klingberg
Sanheim - Ellis
York - ?
?
- NC Flyers Fan

The Flyers have been built as a paper team for a long time now. The last thing they need is another big contract. On paper...looks cool, until Ellis goes down again a month in the season and Sanheim regresses then they just need another addition.

I’m really hoping the Flyers don’t trade Giroux just to trade Giroux. If the deal makes sense and helps the Flyers moving forward, pull the trigger. If the deal is Gagne to Tampa for Matt Walker, don’t even bother. A deal like let’s say a third line roster player with potential upside and a second round pick isn’t enough for me ship G out so he can win a cup.
- SuperSchennBros

They obviously should maximize the return but it’s a guy that has supposedly hand picked a few teams he’d accept and has a high cap hit. It’s not going to be Matt walker and a third but it’s also probably not going to be the best prospect out there and two firsts. Not sure what’s so hard to get.

There are some very good FA's available if the Flyers can clear some cap space.

I'm all in on Klingberg.
- mochoson

The Flyers should stay completely away from long term high cap hit players in my opinion.

Klingberg is not the kind of D we need. Can only imagine the complaining that would be done here. Especially since his +/- is worse than Ristolainen which for some reason people hold as a meaningful stat.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Disagree with that. He's exactly the kind of defenseman the team needs. Just not at what he is going to cost in free agency. Used correctly, +/- is a useful stat

They obviously should maximize the return but it’s a guy that has supposedly hand picked a few teams he’d accept and has a high cap hit. It’s not going to be Matt walker and a third but it’s also probably not going to be the best prospect out there and two firsts. Not sure what’s so hard to get.
- ClaudeFather

Actually I agree with him. If it's not a decent prospect coming back, even if some salary has to be taken back with short term on it, then I say forget it. A low 1st rounder or even a middling prospect who probably won't see an NHL game before they are 24 is pointless.

If they can't get value then let Giroux ride out the year as a Flyer and let him make his decision. Remember the team getting him increases their chances in the playoffs AND if it goes good gets a good crack at re-signing him if that's what they want. There's way more at stake then just getting a 34 year old. It's a rental and they cost a lot for a top 6 guy who can easily be a ppg player.

It's really easy, if the team trading for G has to give up something they really don't want to then that's pretty much the deal. End of story.

I've gotta' think Nashville knew something was up with Ellis and chronic injuries before the trade... and I'm not talking about the broken finger. Or may even be a combination that he doesn't want to play for the Flyers (he always seemed in the press conferences that he hated being here) and his chronic injuries to just make him say, "Why bother."

Couldn't agree more about JvR. I'd love to see some kind of creative deadline trades where we retain half salary on JvR and ship him and a pick to the Kraken, while we take on some dead salary for a pending UFA from Tampa or Toronto or Colorado and get the same pick for doing so. I haven't been this anxious to pay someone not to play since Bryz.
- therabbi

I have a dumb question. How do Provy and G played virtually every game without injuries? Both play lots of hard minutes too. Is it their training regimen? Or just statistically a team's normal distribution for injuries? If it's something due to physical preparation, I sure wish they would share with teammates.

Actually I agree with him. If it's not a decent prospect coming back, even if some salary has to be taken back with short term on it, then I say forget it. A low 1st rounder or even a middling prospect who probably won't see an NHL game before they are 24 is pointless.


- Glak18

The decision has already been made. You take the best deal you can make. Not trading Giroux at the deadline would be insanely stupid.

The Flyers have been built as a paper team for a long time now. The last thing they need is another big contract. On paper...looks cool, until Ellis goes down again a month in the season and Sanheim regresses then they just need another addition.
- Glak18

I get that things have been bad for a long time. Injuries to key players and quantity of injuries has been ridiculous this season. However, I don’t believe—in making decisions in light of pessimism from past failure—that nothing good can come from a good plan. RD is the one spot that they need to spend. If Risto can’t fill on the top pair or be stable away from Sanheim, why are they thinking of re-signing him? If Sanheim can’t fill in on the top pair, his partner needs to be able to. It isn’t just about the players, it’s about the fit.

I don’t know what you mean. We need the kind that help us play offense while limiting defensive errors. Play with the puck so we defend less.
- NC Flyers Fan

We have that now. They just choose not to use em.

Sanheim, Ristolainen, Yandle are all players that play an offensive game. The Flyers coaching staff chooses to not use them in a way than benefits their strengths. Braun is playing #2 Mins and his only capable of playing the chip play. He isnt a guy that moves the puck well. Ristolainen is actually a Dman that moves the puck pretty well. Sanheim doesnt always because frankly he doesnt handle the forecheck well.

It is also more than just the D though. The forwards are an issue as well. How many times do we get a chance on the rush and have it come all the way back? How many times do we see players like Konecny make Donkey Brain plays in the offensive zone that turn into turnovers, or lost board battles. We do spend a lot of time defending but part of that is due to our inability to keep the play in the offensive zone when we get a chance.

The decision has already been made. You take the best deal you can make. Not trading Giroux at the deadline would be insanely stupid.
- MJL

So if Sakic says I will only trade Bowers and a 3rd and Fletcher has to take it?

That's even more stupid.

So if Sakic says I will only trade Bowers and a 3rd and Fletcher has to take it?

That's even more stupid.
- Glak18

Or the deal can just be more realistic instead of the low and high ball offers folks are suggesting. People are making up imaginary scenarios and saying we shouldn’t trade him for this and that. The market it going to set itself, stop pretending you are too proud to trade him for a certain return.

So if Sakic says I will only trade Bowers and a 3rd and Fletcher has to take it?

That's even more stupid.
- Glak18

Read what I posted. If that is the best deal you can make, then yes, you take it.

We have that now. They just choose not to use em.

Sanheim, Ristolainen, Yandle are all players that play an offensive game. The Flyers coaching staff chooses to not use them in a way than benefits their strengths. Braun is playing #2 Mins and his only capable of playing the chip play. He isnt a guy that moves the puck well. Ristolainen is actually a Dman that moves the puck pretty well. Sanheim doesnt always because frankly he doesnt handle the forecheck well.

It is also more than just the D though. The forwards are an issue as well. How many times do we get a chance on the rush and have it come all the way back? How many times do we see players like Konecny make Donkey Brain plays in the offensive zone that turn into turnovers, or lost board battles. We do spend a lot of time defending but part of that is due to our inability to keep the play in the offensive zone when we get a chance.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

No, neither of those 3 are on the level of Klingberg. Sanheim is the closest. I agree that the team doesn't play the right way or the right style of play.

We have that now. They just choose not to use em.

Sanheim, Ristolainen, Yandle are all players that play an offensive game. The Flyers coaching staff chooses to not use them in a way than benefits their strengths. Braun is playing #2 Mins and his only capable of playing the chip play. He isnt a guy that moves the puck well. Ristolainen is actually a Dman that moves the puck pretty well. Sanheim doesnt always because frankly he doesnt handle the forecheck well.

It is also more than just the D though. The forwards are an issue as well. How many times do we get a chance on the rush and have it come all the way back? How many times do we see players like Konecny make Donkey Brain plays in the offensive zone that turn into turnovers, or lost board battles. We do spend a lot of time defending but part of that is due to our inability to keep the play in the offensive zone when we get a chance.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

It starts with the defense. Provorov, Risto are not good enough at retrievals and transition for the minutes that they get. Sanheim's the only healthy player who's half decent at those things, but he's got his own basket of other issues. Ellis is actually fantastic, but RIP.

Yeah, the forwards should be asked to help more, especially considering how weak the dcorps is at moving the puck, but that's an ongoing coaching and systems issue.

If the Flyers were smart, which they are not, they'd prioritize a puck mover on their wish list and move on from Risto. Klingberg is great, but I doubt they would be able to nail him down at a $/term that would make any sense.

We have that now. They just choose not to use em.

Sanheim, Ristolainen, Yandle are all players that play an offensive game. The Flyers coaching staff chooses to not use them in a way than benefits their strengths. Braun is playing #2 Mins and his only capable of playing the chip play. He isnt a guy that moves the puck well. Ristolainen is actually a Dman that moves the puck pretty well. Sanheim doesnt always because frankly he doesnt handle the forecheck well.

It is also more than just the D though. The forwards are an issue as well. How many times do we get a chance on the rush and have it come all the way back? How many times do we see players like Konecny make Donkey Brain plays in the offensive zone that turn into turnovers, or lost board battles. We do spend a lot of time defending but part of that is due to our inability to keep the play in the offensive zone when we get a chance.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I can’t disagree with you about the coaching/player usage. It is a mystery to me why players are not played in a position of their strengths and why some players are never given certain opportunities.

Sure, it’s a team game so forwards also. Yet there is so much going on there with positioning players especially with Coots out that becomes difficult. I really hope they own the very clear player development issues within the organization. They need to reassess their antiquated philosophies. They need to get impact players at forward from this next batch of prospects. The prospects look good so the Flyers need to get out of their own way.