It starts with the defense. Provorov, Risto are not good enough at retrievals and transition for the minutes that they get. Sanheim's the only healthy player who's half decent at those things, but he's got his own basket of other issues. Ellis is actually fantastic, but RIP.

Yeah, the forwards should be asked to help more, especially considering how weak the dcorps is at moving the puck, but that's an ongoing coaching and systems issue.

If the Flyers were smart, which they are not, they'd prioritize a puck mover on their wish list and move on from Risto. Klingberg is great, but I doubt they would be able to nail him down at a $/term that would make any sense.
- Tomahawk

In my opinion, Provorov could be good enough if he played with better players and spent less time defending. They are close to ruining him.

Actually I agree with him. If it's not a decent prospect coming back, even if some salary has to be taken back with short term on it, then I say forget it. A low 1st rounder or even a middling prospect who probably won't see an NHL game before they are 24 is pointless.

If they can't get value then let Giroux ride out the year as a Flyer and let him make his decision. Remember the team getting him increases their chances in the playoffs AND if it goes good gets a good crack at re-signing him if that's what they want. There's way more at stake then just getting a 34 year old. It's a rental and they cost a lot for a top 6 guy who can easily be a ppg player.

It's really easy, if the team trading for G has to give up something they really don't want to then that's pretty much the deal. End of story.
- Glak18

Totally disagree. You trade Giroux for the best possible deal you can get. If it's a 1st and a mid prospect so be it even if it's a late 1st. My concern about the return is that if it's TRUE about the 3 teams he would accept a trade to is true 2 of those 3 teams dont really need him. If he opened it up to all 16 teams the return would be so much better

In my opinion, Provorov could be good enough if he played with better players and spent less time defending. They are close to ruining him.
- MJL

Yeah, I still believe in him.

In my opinion, Provorov could be good enough if he played with better players and spent less time defending. They are close to ruining him.
- MJL

agree mostly but I think Provy needs someone to play with that can carry the mail. He needs to be able to focus on D and the O will then come. I think both NISK and Ellis bring that, good puck movers

Charlie O'Connor did a nice job of collecting comps for a Giroux return based on trade deadline deals in the past. The results rarely yielded more than a pick and a mid-tier prospect. Hopes of Newhook or Byram effectively dashed.

agree mostly but I think Provy needs someone to play with that can carry the mail. He needs to be able to focus on D and the O will then come. I think both NISK and Ellis bring that, good puck movers
- wcorvette

He certainly needs help on the top pair but in my opinion he is miscast as a shut down defender. It we omit Ellis, the Flyers two best defenseman are attack offensive defenseman with Provorov and Sanheim. That is their strengths. Provorov has already led all NHL defenseman in goals scored on one season. They don't play with the puck enough and they don't attack enough to take advantage of the strengths of both players.

Hart out ....... Eye infection

Hart out ....... Eye infection
- generalripper

Fletcher wants Shane Wright infection

Hart out ....... Eye infection
- generalripper

He does have a birdseye view of both special teams units. That is enough to blind anyone.

In my opinion, Provorov could be good enough if he played with better players and spent less time defending. They are close to ruining him.
- MJL

most players can be good enough if playin with other players.

Charlie O'Connor did a nice job of collecting comps for a Giroux return based on trade deadline deals in the past. The results rarely yielded more than a pick and a mid-tier prospect. Hopes of Newhook or Byram effectively dashed.
- Sinisalo4vr

How do you figure? He's a journalist. What makes his opinion a fact? Other PHI Journalist contradict his opinion

How do you figure? He's a journalist. What makes his opinion a fact? Other PHI Journalist contradict his opinion
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

He didn't state it as a fact. Historical information gives us a good guide for what a player is worth at the deadline. What journalists contradict his opinion and what are they basing it on? The chances of the Flyers getting a player like Newhook in return are very slim.

Charlie O'Connor did a nice job of collecting comps for a Giroux return based on trade deadline deals in the past. The results rarely yielded more than a pick and a mid-tier prospect. Hopes of Newhook or Byram effectively dashed.
- Sinisalo4vr

Especially if its limited to three teams 2 of which dont really need him

Doent matter how many teams he "approves". He will have a preference. That is where he will end up. They will let him call it.

Hart out ....... Eye infection
- generalripper

He watched the Canes yesterday

He didn't state it as a fact. Historical information gives us a good guide for what a player is worth at the deadline. What journalists contradict his opinion and what are they basing it on? The chances of the Flyers getting a player like Newhook in return are very slim.
- MJL

Chances are not very slim they are NONE. Not getting a prospect like Newhook

Chances are not very slim they are NONE. Not getting a prospect like Newhook
- hfc355

"That really put a hook 🪝 in me"

[quote=Glak18]So if Sakic says I will only trade Bowers and a 3rd and Fletcher has to take it?

Maybe maybe not. Does Sakic know that he is the only bidder on Giroux? Probably not. The Flyers need to sell Giroux and use the little leverage they have. They want to do better than Jost and a B prospect. Besides being a great rental, Giroux is insanely good in the circle(61.6% this year and 55.8% lifetime). If I’m the Avs or any team, I’m going to use G just like the Habs used Danault in the playoffs last year. Bring him in for all critical draws and skate to the bench if his line is off. Leverage is limited but they need to wring out all the value they can.

I’m really hoping the Flyers don’t trade Giroux just to trade Giroux. If the deal makes sense and helps the Flyers moving forward, pull the trigger. If the deal is Gagne to Tampa for Matt Walker, don’t even bother. A deal like let’s say a third line roster player with potential upside and a second round pick isn’t enough for me ship G out so he can win a cup.
- SuperSchennBros

100% this.

100% this.
- Scoob

It makes sense to trade Giroux regardless of what the return is. In my opinion, Giroux wants to leave and the team wants to move on due to his age and contract requirements.

The decision has already been made. You take the best deal you can make. Not trading Giroux at the deadline would be insanely stupid.
- MJL

The "best deal" has to be something that will help the Flyers otherwise no deal.

He certainly needs help on the top pair but in my opinion he is miscast as a shut down defender. It we omit Ellis, the Flyers two best defenseman are attack offensive defenseman with Provorov and Sanheim. That is their strengths. Provorov has already led all NHL defenseman in goals scored on one season. They don't play with the puck enough and they don't attack enough to take advantage of the strengths of both players.
- MJL

It is for sure a team thing. We have discussed Braun at length. My point, to rebuild Provy he needs someone to help trigger breakouts, then he will have a chance to rebuild his O game. While there are plenty of reasons why Provy has regressed, his performance on the PP, with an extended look, has not been good.

He does have a birdseye view of both special teams units. That is enough to blind anyone.
- PLindbergh31

lol!!!

Charlie O'Connor did a nice job of collecting comps for a Giroux return based on trade deadline deals in the past. The results rarely yielded more than a pick and a mid-tier prospect. Hopes of Newhook or Byram effectively dashed.
- Sinisalo4vr

Read that, just under what sens got for stone is where he landed

It makes sense to trade Giroux regardless of what the return is. In my opinion, Giroux wants to leave and the team wants to move on due to his age and contract requirements.
- MJL

I disagree and that's fine.