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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 21 @ 9:17 PM ET


3 V 3 OT is the most exciting in hockey. Id love them to do continuous 3 V 3. It is a fast pace constant back and forth action. Every shot is a high danger chance. There is nothing boring about it.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


It can be exciting but the most exciting in hockey? It's opinion but not even close. Playoff 5 on 5 hockey is the most exciting.
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Feb 21 @ 9:24 PM ET
How do you figure? He's a journalist. What makes his opinion a fact? Other PHI Journalist contradict his opinion
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

He does his homework. He may not be right but it is always an interesting POV.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Feb 21 @ 9:37 PM ET
It can be exciting but the most exciting in hockey? It's opinion but not even close. Playoff 5 on 5 hockey is the most exciting.
- MJL

Amen. Save the gimmick for the all star game
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 21 @ 9:46 PM ET
Had nothing to do with strategy, it’s boring.
- ClaudeFather


Why? Because you say so? 3 on 3 is a possession game. Nothing stupid about regrouping instead of giving the puck back. If you don’t know how the game works, maybe you not call anyone on this board stupid.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Feb 21 @ 10:24 PM ET
How many losses is this current streak at?
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Feb 21 @ 11:21 PM ET
How many losses is this current streak at?
- Stayin alive


5 i think
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Feb 22 @ 2:05 AM ET
5 i think
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

So great
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Feb 22 @ 2:06 AM ET
So great
- Stayin alive

Go canes!!!
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Feb 22 @ 2:20 AM ET
It really sucks to see the Rangers draft a Norris trophy-winning defenseman and potential Vezina-winning goalie when the Flyers thought they were sitting pretty drafting Carter Hart and Ivan Provorov.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Feb 22 @ 2:21 AM ET
It can be exciting but the most exciting in hockey? It's opinion but not even close. Playoff 5 on 5 hockey is the most exciting.
- MJL

Cosign.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Feb 22 @ 3:16 AM ET
It really sucks to see the Rangers draft a Norris trophy-winning defenseman and potential Vezina-winning goalie when the Flyers thought they were sitting pretty drafting Carter Hart and Ivan Provorov.
- Pixote Andolini


Rangers have always had some great players, including multiple Vezina and Norris winners.

They've also only won one Cup in 80 years despite that, so let's not get carried away.

Their record looks all shiney but they're still essentially a one line team that bleeds scoring chances that's still waiting on Laf and Kakko to break out.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Feb 22 @ 3:28 AM ET
It can be exciting but the most exciting in hockey? It's opinion but not even close. Playoff 5 on 5 hockey is the most exciting.
- MJL


Only because of the stakes tho... PO hockey can be pretty ugly to watch, especially last season with the deterioration of the refereeing standard.

Imagine Game 7 Stanley Cup, 3v3 OT to determine the winner. Purists would vomit, but literally everybody would be on their feet watching teams going full send instead of chipping and chasing their way to multiple OTs.
arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Feb 22 @ 3:52 AM ET
It really sucks to see the Rangers draft a Norris trophy-winning defenseman and potential Vezina-winning goalie when the Flyers thought they were sitting pretty drafting Carter Hart and Ivan Provorov.
- Pixote Andolini


If you’re referring to Fox, Rangers didn’t draft him. They traded for him.
monty burns
Location: wake forest, NC
Joined: 10.18.2005

Feb 22 @ 7:23 AM ET
It really sucks to see the Rangers draft a Norris trophy-winning defenseman and potential Vezina-winning goalie when the Flyers thought they were sitting pretty drafting Carter Hart and Ivan Provorov.
- Pixote Andolini


the norris trophy winning defenseman was drafted by calgary, traded to carolina and refused to be signed by any club other than the rangers
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Feb 22 @ 7:27 AM ET
It really sucks to see the Rangers draft a Norris trophy-winning defenseman and potential Vezina-winning goalie when the Flyers thought they were sitting pretty drafting Carter Hart and Ivan Provorov.
- Pixote Andolini


Rangers didnt draft Fox. Fox was Drafted by CGY. Included in the Hamilton trade to CAR. Then CAR traded his rights to Rags for a 2nd.

Igor was drafted 118th Overall. At that point its all luck. Most 4th round picks never make the NHL
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 22 @ 7:44 AM ET
It really sucks to see the Rangers draft a Norris trophy-winning defenseman and potential Vezina-winning goalie when the Flyers thought they were sitting pretty drafting Carter Hart and Ivan Provorov.
- Pixote Andolini


The Rangers didn't draft Adam Fox. Provorov and Hart have been hurt by the teams they play on.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Feb 22 @ 7:45 AM ET
Rangers didnt draft Fox. Fox was Drafted by CGY. Included in the Hamilton trade to CAR. Then CAR traded his rights to Rags for a 2nd.

Igor was drafted 118th Overall. At that point its all luck. Most 4th round picks never make the NHL

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


I did not realize that a necessary condition for something not to be "all luck" was that it's probability of success >0.5.

Is scoring goals "all luck"? They have a failure rate on average >80%, you know.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 22 @ 7:45 AM ET
Only because of the stakes tho... PO hockey can be pretty ugly to watch, especially last season with the deterioration of the refereeing standard.

Imagine Game 7 Stanley Cup, 3v3 OT to determine the winner. Purists would vomit, but literally everybody would be on their feet watching teams going full send instead of chipping and chasing their way to multiple OTs.

- Tomahawk


They'd be on their feet because it's game 7 of the finals in OT. They wouldn't be on their feet for 3 on 3 OT in the regular season.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 22 @ 7:47 AM ET


Is scoring goals "all luck"? They have a failure rate on average >80%, you know.

- PT21


Scoring goals don't have that failure rate. Shots on net do.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Feb 22 @ 8:13 AM ET
Bill,

Do you see Giroux as possibly replacing Kadri in Colorado if he walks in free agency? I feel like that is why the best offer will come from colorado as maybe they see him more than just a rental.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 22 @ 8:26 AM ET
Got to catch yesterday's game later in the night, another really strong 5 on 5 game by the Flyers. They skated with and at times out skated, out hit and out chanced one of the best teams in the league, and that is something to feel positive about IMO. What I think did the Flyers in more than anything else these past few games is their putrid power play, which I think is now 14%! This is another area where I think Yeo's personnel decisions is costing this team. Yeo keeps rolling out the same 5 on the first unit when its clear they cannot get it done, i.e. its not coaching or scheme, its the players who are trying to execute it. I understand keeping G on the first unit, especially now where you want to showcase him, but enough with Provey at the point, that stiff JVR, TK and Cam. I was thinking last night I would like to see Sanheim at the point, G and Frost on the half walls, Mayhew in the bumper and Ratcliff net front. I think this unit has a real good chance to succeed. I mean why not try it, they really can't be any worse?

Nice to see Brown play well last night, and Ratcliff is starting to get me really excited about this potential. Frost had a strong first period but then faded as the game went along. I know he took a puck off his foot in the 3rd. I guess we have to give it up for Mayhew, he has got a little luck right now but I am rooting for him to stay in the NHL and continue to help this team.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Feb 22 @ 8:34 AM ET
Why? Because you say so? 3 on 3 is a possession game. Nothing stupid about regrouping instead of giving the puck back. If you don’t know how the game works, maybe you not call anyone on this board stupid.
- SuperSchennBros

Who said it was stupid?
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Feb 22 @ 8:45 AM ET
A little late to the debate, but 3 on 3 is absolutely a possession game. Hell, the NHL is a possession game now. Teams want the puck and if they don't have it they want to get it back as soon as possible. Didn't see much of the game cause I was working(saw the last 10 minutes and overtime). Carolina basically possessed the puck for most of the overtime although the Flyers had a couple of chances.

One thing sticks out to me lately. Perhaps I'm misguided, but I 've noticed that TK seems to fade as the game progresses. Seems to get tired in 3rd period and certainly had a bad overtime yesterday. He was a step behind for the winning goal and gave up a possession to the Canes by attempting a lazy ill advised pass to Provorov that gave the Canes the puck right back. Perhaps he needs some physical training and work in the gym?? Give him Roddy's number at once!!
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Feb 22 @ 8:47 AM ET
Rangers didnt draft Fox. Fox was Drafted by CGY. Included in the Hamilton trade to CAR. Then CAR traded his rights to Rags for a 2nd.

Igor was drafted 118th Overall. At that point its all luck. Most 4th round picks never make the NHL

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

all luck absolutely. Flyers have the unluckiest scouts and management in the history of hockey.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Feb 22 @ 8:47 AM ET
The Rangers didn't draft Adam Fox. Provorov and Hart have been hurt by the teams they play on.
- MJL

At what point do you hold the players accountable? Cant keep blaming the team they are on.
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