U should never be allowed to propose trades ever again after this
- nyrangers9479

Why? Brown has seen his point totals increase steadily every year over the last several years. Hes a 20 min/game guy. At 50% retained, we would have him for this and next year for 1.8m per. Paul is a solid physical defensive center who is good on faceoffs, who we can likely easily resign. Goodrow, Paul, Brown is a line you can match up against any top line in the league.

We value Nils significantly higher than other people might and the stats / play dont favor us.

To Vegas: Georgy
To NYR: Dylan Strome-Fleury (Half retained)
To Chicago:Nils and a Vegas 2nd rd pick

Throw poop at the walls trade
- Slimtj100

Why would Vegas take georgi if they could get fleury

Why would Vegas take georgi if they could get fleury
- picklerick

He refused Vegas trade lol. Maybe he just wants to stay in Chicago

He refused Vegas trade lol. Maybe he just wants to stay in Chicago
- Slimtj100

Thought he refused a Washington trade not Vegas

Thought he refused a Washington trade not Vegas
- picklerick

Maybe I heard them too? I’m pretty sure he did

Thought he refused a Washington trade not Vegas
- picklerick

I think there was something about the Vegas GM saying that they werent interested in pursuing bringing back Fleury. However this was prior to the injury update on Lehner.

Why? Brown has seen his point totals increase steadily every year over the last several years. Hes a 20 min/game guy. At 50% retained, we would have him for this and next year for 1.8m per. Paul is a solid physical defensive center who is good on faceoffs, who we can likely easily resign. Goodrow, Paul, Brown is a line you can match up against any top line in the league.

We value Nils significantly higher than other people might and the stats / play dont favor us.
- aecliptic

🤦‍♂️

Maybe I heard them too? I’m pretty sure he did
- Slimtj100

I cannot find a source on him turning down vegas. Just Washington

I cannot find a source on him turning down vegas. Just Washington
- picklerick

It was the GM shooting down rumors about Fleury interest, but that may have changed.

It was the GM shooting down rumors about Fleury interest, but that may have changed.
- aecliptic

Ya VGK GM said they have no interest in bringing him back. Bunch of sites saying VGK and NYR have had some pretty decent discussions involving Georgiev though.

Ya VGK GM said they have no interest in bringing him back. Bunch of sites saying VGK and NYR have had some pretty decent discussions involving Georgiev though.
- nyrangers9479

Im sure Gallant has some choice players he wants to round this squad out.

After all those years playing against the Sens and how absolutely annoying some of their guys are... grabbing Paul and Brown sounds quite nice to have on our side.

Im sure Gallant has some choice players he wants to round this squad out.

After all those years playing against the Sens and how absolutely annoying some of their guys are... grabbing Paul and Brown sounds quite nice to have on our side.
- aecliptic

Brown and Paul are nobody’s. Much better options out there

Brown and Paul are nobody’s. Much better options out there
- nyrangers9479

Everybody was a nobody at some point. Im looking at their body of work regardless of the lack of 'fame'. Im also looking at that body of work and applying it to our financial future. Ideally, Id love to minimize the amount of turnover in the lineup between this and next year as a result of the trades we make.

Everybody was a nobody at some point. Im looking at their body of work regardless of the lack of 'fame'. Im also looking at that body of work and applying it to our financial future. Ideally, Id love to minimize the amount of turnover in the lineup between this and next year as a result of the trades we make.
- aecliptic

Brown is 28, he is what he is. Same goes for Paul, much better options out there.

Brown is 28, he is what he is. Same goes for Paul, much better options out there.
- nyrangers9479

Im not looking for megastars. Im just looking for good quality, good defensively hard to play against 3rd line guys who can chip in. Guys if we trade for we can hold onto moving forward, which for many of the best players available is not possible. While also minimizing the cost on our part in assets.

You say they are what they are, and I say, well thats fine honestly. If you tell me theres a 26 yo 3C on the market whos winning 50% of his faceoffs, chipping in 30 points, making well over 100 hits a year and plays on the PK is going to be a year after year consistent production for probably no more than 2.5m per year to resign. I say give it to me! If you tell me theres a 28yo defensive RW with offensive ability whose point totals have been slow and steadily increasing with every year and is on pace for 50 points this year who will only cost us 1.8m (with retention) against the cap next year. Ill take it.

People are so wide-eyed over all the players available. Im guilty of it myself at times. Im trying to theorize how to make these lines hum, particularly the 3rd line which has been our achilles heel all year.

The 3rd line is trash bc it has no identity. You have a skill player in Chytil, a 4th line grinder in Hunt and a who knows what in Gauthier. Either make it a skill line and give Chytil 2 guys that can but the puck in the net, or trade Chytil for a hard nosed center that might not put up the points Chytil potentially could but is going to hit and win draws and shut down other teams top lines. Having 3 guys on the same line when all 3 guys bring completely different things to the table is why we have one of the worst 3rd lines in the league.

The 3rd line is trash bc it has no identity. You have a skill player in Chytil, a 4th line grinder in Hunt and a who knows what in Gauthier. Either make it a skill line and give Chytil 2 guys that can but the puck in the net, or trade Chytil for a hard nosed center that might not put up the points Chytil potentially could but is going to hit and win draws and shut down other teams top lines. Having 3 guys on the same line when all 3 guys bring completely different things to the table is why we have one of the worst 3rd lines in the league.
- nyrangers9479

How is making a line of Goodrow, Paul, Brown not fall into the category of a hard nosed, top defensive line? Id say this line could be on par with the Goodrow, Gourde, Coleman line. A little less scoring but incredibly difficult to deal with and play against. I know I put Chytil there initially, however, Goodrow makes infinitely more sense there. Those guys play the Gallant type of way.

BTW, lets just keep in mind this is all fantasy and hypothetical. No reason to get bent out of shape about it. Just trying something different from the dead horse Ive been beating the last month.

How is making a line of Goodrow, Paul, Brown not fall into the category of a hard nosed, top defensive line? Id say this line could be on par with the Goodrow, Gourde, Coleman line. A little less scoring but incredibly difficult to deal with and play against. I know I put Chytil there initially, however, Goodrow makes infinitely more sense there. Those guys play the Gallant type of way.

BTW, lets just keep in mind this is all fantasy and hypothetical. No reason to get bent out of shape about it. Just trying something different from the dead horse Ive been beating the last month.
- aecliptic

Putting Coleman and Gourde in the same sentence as Paul and Brown is a joke in itself. Neither one of those guys even comes close to Gourde or Coleman.

The 3rd line is trash bc it has no identity. You have a skill player in Chytil, a 4th line grinder in Hunt and a who knows what in Gauthier. Either make it a skill line and give Chytil 2 guys that can but the puck in the net, or trade Chytil for a hard nosed center that might not put up the points Chytil potentially could but is going to hit and win draws and shut down other teams top lines. Having 3 guys on the same line when all 3 guys bring completely different things to the table is why we have one of the worst 3rd lines in the league.
- nyrangers9479

The org is going to have to view some of these kids as expendable at some point if they wanna make some noise in the playoffs. They still will have the next wave of kids coming to replace those ones traded, ie-Barron, Cuylle, Othmann. To me, Chytil and Nils probably form the best tandem of getting an immediate help and upgrade. If it’s a guy like Brown (who I mentioned), he kinda fits into that timeline and contract (which is why I brought him up). I just don’t see the org tying up term and money into a big time winger. It’s why they got rid of Buch to begin with.

So who do we trade to get more veteran presence and offense on the 3rd line is I think is where they will go. My preference is a two year rental, as opposed to a one year guy. Cost certainty player.

Personally, I will not lose sleep over a Chytil trade haha

Putting Coleman and Gourde in the same sentence as Paul and Brown is a joke in itself. Neither one of those guys even comes close to Gourde or Coleman.
- nyrangers9479

You take things far too personally.

The org is going to have to view some of these kids as expendable at some point if they wanna make some noise in the playoffs. They still will have the next wave of kids coming to replace those ones traded, ie-Barron, Cuylle, Othmann. To me, Chytil and Nils probably form the best tandem of getting an immediate help and upgrade. If it’s a guy like Brown (who I mentioned), he kinda fits into that timeline and contract (which is why I brought him up). I just don’t see the org tying up term and money into a big time winger. It’s why they got rid of Buch to begin with.

So who do we trade to get more veteran presence and offense on the 3rd line is I think is where they will go. My preference is a two year rental, as opposed to a one year guy. Cost certainty player.

Personally, I will not lose sleep over a Chytil trade haha
- Slimtj100

Its well documented about my feelings on Chytil. I think theres potential but its not for this team and the way its constructed. Chytil, Hunt and Gauthier are the weakest links on our team and right now thats what makes up our third line.

When I look towards next year, I hope for Blais to keep it rolling where he left off. Goodrow remains either on the 3rd or 4th line. Leaving one wing and a 3C spot open. Depending on whether or not the team wants to resign Rooney for 4C, that could be open. Barron has looked good when given an opportunity maybe he fills a slot.

Its well documented about my feelings on Chytil. I think theres potential but its not for this team and the way its constructed. Chytil, Hunt and Gauthier are the weakest links on our team and right now thats what makes up our third line.

When I look towards next year, I hope for Blais to keep it rolling where he left off. Goodrow remains either on the 3rd or 4th line. Leaving one wing and a 3C spot open. Depending on whether or not the team wants to resign Rooney for 4C, that could be open. Barron has looked good when given an opportunity maybe he fills a slot.
- aecliptic

I also think where fans and the org differ is, they won’t break the bank or move mountains to sure up a 3rd line. It’s why it’s generally a revolving door. They’re patiently waiting for someone, or two, to emerge and it’s just won’t happen.

I also think where fans and the org differ is, they won’t break the bank or move mountains to sure up a 3rd line. It’s why it’s generally a revolving door. They’re patiently waiting for someone, or two, to emerge and it’s just won’t happen.
- Slimtj100

Well, when it comes to teams that have won the Stanley Cup the last 20-25 years, the 3rd line was definitely not a revolving door, and if moves were made they werent "random". There are career third and fourth line players who are particularly sought after by playoff teams.

The org is going to have to view some of these kids as expendable at some point if they wanna make some noise in the playoffs. They still will have the next wave of kids coming to replace those ones traded, ie-Barron, Cuylle, Othmann. To me, Chytil and Nils probably form the best tandem of getting an immediate help and upgrade. If it’s a guy like Brown (who I mentioned), he kinda fits into that timeline and contract (which is why I brought him up). I just don’t see the org tying up term and money into a big time winger. It’s why they got rid of Buch to begin with.

So who do we trade to get more veteran presence and offense on the 3rd line is I think is where they will go. My preference is a two year rental, as opposed to a one year guy. Cost certainty player.

Personally, I will not lose sleep over a Chytil trade haha
- Slimtj100

I have no problem trading Kravtsov Nils Jones Chytil etc, but not for Connor Brown. I’d love a 3rd line that looked something like this

Crouse Goodrow Kolesar

They’d all put up around 30-40 pts and hit everything in sight. That’s a line that in a 7 game series could wear down a teams top line. Not saying we’re getting Kolesar or Crouse but Crouse is rumored to be on the move and VGK are supposedly very interested in Georgie. Maybe Chytil to AZ for Crouse and Georgie and Gauthier for Kolesar+.

You take things far too personally.
- aecliptic

ya think?