How’d the podcast go Bill?

I could be swayed by the return but I absolutely consider not trading Braun and bringing him back.
- MJL

The right side is a huge question Mark. Have to figure one of Risto/Braun is traded. Ellis... zamula plays the right side?

And this *all* happened under Hextall's watch. So was Hextall and Hakstol forced to do this by Homer and his cronies, and is that why they were fired in 2019? My point here is not to disagree with you that Couts and Schenn were mismanaged, but to illustrate that this happened long before Fletcher came aboard, so its NOT on him. Maybe with the investment made in better player developer and analytics, we will finally start to see some changes for the better.
- jd250

It did not. Hakstol had Couturier for 4 years. His last two 30+ point seasons as well as both 76 point seasons one of which being his canned season

Also for the people who didnt believe me, the fourthperiod now has Konecny tied to LA in rumours.

Farabee back Saturday too. Dunno if that was ever mentioned

Also for the people who didnt believe me, the fourthperiod now has Konecny tied to LA in rumours.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Let's look at things realistically. With the issues the Flyers are having, being out of the playoff picture and a number of players who have struggled. The rumors are going to be off the charts involving players on this team and are only going to grow the closer we get to the deadline.

Also for the people who didnt believe me, the fourthperiod now has Konecny tied to LA in rumours.

Farabee back Saturday too. Dunno if that was ever mentioned
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Unless Byfield is coming back, no thanks

Unless Byfield is coming back, no thanks
- BiggE

LA has some real nice prospects honestly. Akil Thomas and a 1st? I’d be down.

LA has some real nice prospects honestly. Akil Thomas and a 1st? I’d be down.
- hereticpride

Yeah, that would work

https://nhl.nbcsports.com...ne-or-make-more-mistakes/

What a joke they’ve become. Will the clown show go on is the question

How’d the podcast go Bill?
- Just5

Went well. Will post tomorrow.

Jason and I also interviewed Craig Button today on a variety of topics: state of the Flyers, Giroux rumors, 2017 Draft redux, Frost development, Provorov, Ristolainen, 2022 Entry Draft and more.

That one is available now:

https://mobile.twitter.co...tatus/1496941470573551622

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- jd250

It's not 0.00. Here's the scenario where it happens:

- Yeo is a Fletcher guy. Been with him multiple places.
- Flyers trade some players, some kids play well, some players come back from injury, get on a good moral victory streak to end the season.
- Fletcher likes what he sees, keeps Yeo next year.

Ya'll talk about how clueless the management is. I can totally see this happening. Is it likely? No. But while we're wallowing in poop here let's talk about how bad it could get

You don't even know what I'm arguing with you about. You clearly aren't following along.

It has to do with by your standard, what has Frost done to earn PP time?
- MJL

I'll tell you my opinion one last time. The Flyers PP Sucks! Its one of the worst in the league. Its Sucked for several seasons now. The Flyers until recently have continued to trot out the same tired players on the PP and somehow have expected different results. Frost has been given PP time this season, most of the the time on the 2nd PP unit which gets very little PP time, and recently the first PP unit. When I watch Frost play a regular shift, I see a player that is confused, a player that does not know whether to drive a play or get back defensively, so he skates in circles for the most part and does neither very well. However when I see Frost on the half wall on the PP, I see an entirely different player, a player with poise, calmness, control, demonstrating good puck retrieval and decision making skills. THEREFORE, I have concluded that Frost IMO has shown me he belongs on the first PP unit.

I'll tell you my opinion one last time. The Flyers PP Sucks! Its one of the worst in the league. Its Sucked for several seasons now. The Flyers until recently have continued to trot out the same tired players on the PP and somehow have expected different results. Frost has been given PP time this season, most of the the time on the 2nd PP unit which gets very little PP time, and recently the first PP unit. When I watch Frost play a regular shift, I see a player that is confused, a player that does not know whether to drive a play or get back defensively, so he skates in circles for the most part and does neither very well. However when I see Frost on the half wall on the PP, I see an entirely different player, a player with poise, calmness, control, demonstrating good puck retrieval and decision making skills. THEREFORE, I have concluded that Frost IMO has shown me he belongs the first PP unit.
- jd250

You don't need to tell me you're opinion one last time. I know what you're opinion is.


The contradictions flow out of your posts at a rate equal to the amount of water flowing over the Niagara Falls!

I will explain it to you as simply as I can.

You claim that Frost has not earned ice time on a higher line at 5 on 5 with better teammates with his play

So how has the same level of play earned him time on the PP?

His play is good enough to earn PP time but not good enough to earn ice time on a higher line with better teammates?

You claim that at 5 on 5 Frost is confused, doesn't know what to do and just skates in circles.

However on the PP, Frost all of a sudden magically becomes a player with poise, control, calmness and makes good decisions. Like it's a miracle

Now that we have thoroughly reviewed the inconsistencies in your posting, we can move on to reality.

Reality point #1. Frost is the same player, with the same skills and attributes at 5 on 5 as he is when playing on the PP.

Reality point #2. The coach has recently given Frost an opportunity to play on the #1 PP unit. While playing on that unit, albeit in a small sample, Frost has shown a high skill level of moving into open spaces, retrieving pucks and distributing the puck with good decision making. I will point out that you apparently saw the same thing.

Reality point #3. Perhaps the most important point of all. A scoring line player needs to play on a scoring line with scoring line players to take advantage of his skills. Maybe, just maybe, if the coach would get his head out of his ass and stop being a stupid dippoop and give Frost a similar opportunity at 5 on 5 with better players. Make an investment in the teams future, the player might progress and grow and meet the potential that he has. This is not difficult to get!

I'll remind you that Bill Meltzer recently posted that Frost's issue is one of confidence and not of work ethic. How about helping him with that? Pretty simple

If you come back with more nonsense that he has to earn it, when he did nothing different to earn the PP time. Well then that's just continuing to contradict your own opinion.

You don't need to tell me you're opinion one last time. I know what you're opinion is.


The contradictions flow out of your posts at a rate equal to the amount of water flowing over the Niagara Falls!

I will explain it to you as simply as I can.

You claim that Frost has not earned ice time on a higher line at 5 on 5 with better teammates with his play

So how has the same level of play earned him time on the PP?

His play is good enough to earn PP time but not good enough to earn ice time on a higher line with better teammates?

You claim that at 5 on 5 Frost is confused, doesn't know what to do and just skates in circles.

However on the PP, Frost all of a sudden magically becomes a player with poise, control, calmness and makes good decisions. Like it's a miracle

Now that we have thoroughly reviewed the inconsistencies in your posting, we can move on to reality.

Reality point #1. Frost is the same player, with the same skills and attributes at 5 on 5 as he is when playing on the PP.

Reality point #2. The coach has recently given Frost an opportunity to play on the #1 PP unit. While playing on that unit, albeit in a small sample, Frost has shown a high skill level of moving into open spaces, retrieving pucks and distributing the puck with good decision making. I will point out that you apparently saw the same thing.

Reality point #3. Perhaps the most important point of all. A scoring line player needs to play on a scoring line with scoring line players to take advantage of his skills. Maybe, just maybe, if the coach would get his head out of his ass and stop being a stupid dippoop and give Frost a similar opportunity at 5 on 5 with better players. Make an investment in the teams future, the player might progress and grow and meet the potential that he has. This is not difficult to get!

I'll remind you that Bill Meltzer recently posted that Frost's issue is one of confidence and not of work ethic. How about helping him with that? Pretty simple

If you come back with more nonsense that he has to earn it, when he did nothing different to earn the PP time. Well then that's just continuing to contradict your own opinion.
- MJL

Pretty much saw this with how Coots was handled. Many fans were quick to call him a bust when they were tossing him on the 4th line (or occasionally 3rd) with scrubs. The guy was young yet. When he finally got some talent at his sides, he began to flourish nicely until his potential was actualized.

I don’t know what we have in Frost yet, and I don’t think it’s fair to make assumptions about him at this point. He needs time to play with talent (or the closest we can get to it), and in a throw away season like this, give the kid a trial by fire. Put some skilled players by his side and let’s figure out if he’s got it or if he doesn’t. Might as well. You’ve got nothing to lose right now.

https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2022/02/23/will-flyers-start-cleaning-up-messes-at-trade-deadline-or-make-more-mistakes/

What a joke they’ve become. Will the clown show go on is the question
- Just5

Great article that really sums it up.
Especially this.

“Let's talk Morgan Frost 🧵
This is from some scouts I know well, an ASGM and from some others scouts I do not know.
Flyers have handled Frost horribly.
Trying to reverse engineer the player: tearing down what he does well for the sake of trying to rebuild him into a different


This is what the Flyers do. Instead of putting the player in the best position they can to use his strengths to flourish. They try to make him into something he's not and try and change the player. It's archaic and beyond stupid.

It's not 0.00. Here's the scenario where it happens:

- Yeo is a Fletcher guy. Been with him multiple places.
- Flyers trade some players, some kids play well, some players come back from injury, get on a good moral victory streak to end the season.
- Fletcher likes what he sees, keeps Yeo next year.

Ya'll talk about how clueless the management is. I can totally see this happening. Is it likely? No. But while we're wallowing in poop here let's talk about how bad it could get
- atibus

It would be a huge mistake to keep Yeo. Yeo was completely overwhelmed in Minny. He should have been fired early on when after a 6 game losing streak, he quit talking to the players. Things were worse with the Blues. The Blues won the Cup but Yeo was fired on Jan. 3 with the Blues last in the NHL.

It would be a huge mistake to keep Yeo. Yeo was completely overwhelmed in Minny. He should have been fired early on when after a 6 game losing streak, he quit talking to the players. Things were worse with the Blues. The Blues won the Cup but Yeo was fired on Jan. 3 with the Blues last in the NHL.
- Minnyhock

With a few exceptions, every move that Fletcher has made has been a complete cluster (frank). Combine that with an incompetent upper management and the huge influence of an old school archaic advisory council and it's the perfect storm. Yeo has been absolutely horrendous and should've gone with the rest of the coaching staff that was dismissed. The more I think about it the more I lean towards just walking away from a team that I've followed religiously for as long as I remember. I have never felt this way in the past at any point in time.

You don't need to tell me you're opinion one last time. I know what you're opinion is.


The contradictions flow out of your posts at a rate equal to the amount of water flowing over the Niagara Falls!

I will explain it to you as simply as I can.

You claim that Frost has not earned ice time on a higher line at 5 on 5 with better teammates with his play

So how has the same level of play earned him time on the PP?

His play is good enough to earn PP time but not good enough to earn ice time on a higher line with better teammates?

You claim that at 5 on 5 Frost is confused, doesn't know what to do and just skates in circles.

However on the PP, Frost all of a sudden magically becomes a player with poise, control, calmness and makes good decisions. Like it's a miracle

Now that we have thoroughly reviewed the inconsistencies in your posting, we can move on to reality.

Reality point #1. Frost is the same player, with the same skills and attributes at 5 on 5 as he is when playing on the PP.

Reality point #2. The coach has recently given Frost an opportunity to play on the #1 PP unit. While playing on that unit, albeit in a small sample, Frost has shown a high skill level of moving into open spaces, retrieving pucks and distributing the puck with good decision making. I will point out that you apparently saw the same thing.

Reality point #3. Perhaps the most important point of all. A scoring line player needs to play on a scoring line with scoring line players to take advantage of his skills. Maybe, just maybe, if the coach would get his head out of his ass and stop being a stupid dippoop and give Frost a similar opportunity at 5 on 5 with better players. Make an investment in the teams future, the player might progress and grow and meet the potential that he has. This is not difficult to get!

I'll remind you that Bill Meltzer recently posted that Frost's issue is one of confidence and not of work ethic. How about helping him with that? Pretty simple

If you come back with more nonsense that he has to earn it, when he did nothing different to earn the PP time. Well then that's just continuing to contradict your own opinion.
- MJL

Again there is no contradiction here, only one that you want to make up in your own head. Do you not agree that Frost 5 on 5 is a completely different player than on the PP? If not then you are the one with your head up your ... I gave you the reason why Frost 5 on 5 is not the same player, he is not playing with instinct, he is playing like someone that does not know what to do and when to do it, albeit I think he is getting better in this regard. However on the PP he seems to understand his role clearly and does it well instinctually. Frost has been given opportunities, both 5 on 5 and and PP, and what he has shown me is 5 on 5 he needs more time on the 3rd line, but on the PP he is ready to make a difference. Its pretty simple, and it does not have to be a contradiction.

With a few exceptions, every move that Fletcher has made has been a complete cluster (frank). Combine that with an incompetent upper management and the huge influence of an old school archaic advisory council and it's the perfect storm. Yeo has been absolutely horrendous and should've gone with the rest of the coaching staff that was dismissed. The more I think about it the more I lean towards just walking away from a team that I've followed religiously for as long as I remember. I have never felt this way in the past at any point in time.
- MJL

If they continue down this path much further I’m rooting for a new team. Not worth getting invested in such a poorly run product for this long.

With a few exceptions, every move that Fletcher has made has been a complete cluster (frank). Combine that with an incompetent upper management and the huge influence of an old school archaic advisory council and it's the perfect storm. Yeo has been absolutely horrendous and should've gone with the rest of the coaching staff that was dismissed. The more I think about it the more I lean towards just walking away from a team that I've followed religiously for as long as I remember. I have never felt this way in the past at any point in time.
- MJL

Frustration is leading to ennui.

A lot of fans are reaching this point. I think that scares me the most. I’m not there yet, but I can certainly understand.

What’s the saying? The opposite of love isn’t hate; it’s indifference.

With a few exceptions, every move that Fletcher has made has been a complete cluster (frank). Combine that with an incompetent upper management and the huge influence of an old school archaic advisory council and it's the perfect storm. Yeo has been absolutely horrendous and should've gone with the rest of the coaching staff that was dismissed. The more I think about it the more I lean towards just walking away from a team that I've followed religiously for as long as I remember. I have never felt this way in the past at any point in time.
- MJL

Don't be silly ... this team is really not as bad as their record and they can turn it around. Fletcher has had some bad luck including injuries and Covid, you have to take this into account whether you like it or not.

With a few exceptions, every move that Fletcher has made has been a complete cluster (frank). Combine that with an incompetent upper management and the huge influence of an old school archaic advisory council and it's the perfect storm. Yeo has been absolutely horrendous and should've gone with the rest of the coaching staff that was dismissed. The more I think about it the more I lean towards just walking away from a team that I've followed religiously for as long as I remember. I have never felt this way in the past at any point in time.
- MJL

Now you know what Wild fans went through with those two. If you follow through with the walk away, I’d be interested in reading your comments with you being a Wild fan.

If they continue down this path much further I’m rooting for a new team. Not worth getting invested in such a poorly run product for this long.
- hereticpride

I can’t cheer for any other nhl team. I may get into college hockey and psu.

Again there is no contradiction here, only one that you want to make up in your own head. Do you not agree that Frost 5 on 5 is a completely different player than on the PP? If not then you are the one with your head up your ... I gave you the reason why Frost 5 on 5 is not the same player, he is not playing with instinct, he is playing like someone that does not know what to do and when to do it, albeit I think he is getting better in this regard. However on the PP he seems to understand his role clearly and does it well instinctually. Frost has been given opportunities, both 5 on 5 and and PP, and what he has shown me is 5 on 5 he needs more time on the 3rd line, but on the PP he is ready to make a difference. Its pretty simple, and it does not have to be a contradiction.
- jd250

No, he's not a different player at 5 on 5 than he is on the PP. He is the same exact player. The better situation he is playing in on the PP with better players brings out the best in him. Allows him to use his skill and take advantage of the strengths of his game. He is not able to do that playing in the situations and with the linemates that he plays with at 5 on 5. Don't like it or disagree with it all you want but it is the simple facts. He needs more time on the 3rd line? LMAO. He is ready to make a difference at 5 on 5 also. You just don't get it.

Your contradiction is that he has to earn an opportunity on a better line at 5 on 5 but he doesn't have to earn PP time.

I have explained it to you as simple as I can. It is a lost cause.

Don't be silly ... this team is really not as bad as their record and they can turn it around. Fletcher has had some bad luck including injuries and Covid, you have to take this into account whether you like it or not.
- jd250

Fletcher is terrible and so is Yeo. It's not bad luck. The injuries are a blessing in disguise. Too bad he'll just continue to screw it up.