Mrazek was fine. Hard to fault him too much on those goals
- Canada Cup

Last goal 🤮. Fine isn’t good enough for PO success.

I think the younger guys have an edge because of age. I just don't think the diving fine is even a thing. Never heard of that before.
- Zezel

Evgeni Malkin has been fined in this league, I think he's got some NHL hardware under his belt.

Where does it say that?
It was what? A $2000 fine? Dont see how that impacts his chances.
I think his age has a bigger impact over some petty fine.
- Fakepartofme

The league has nothing to say about it. It's voted on by The Professional Hockey Writers Association. Now they are going favour Raymond, Zegras or Seider. At the moment Seider is still probably the front runner. Bunting is making a valid case by leading rookies in goal scoring and being tied in points. Bunting is actually making his most noticeable contribution at Even Strength with 39 points; Lundell is second at 32 (then Zegras / Raymond at 29).

I find Hockey-Reference's Point Share stat is actually not a bad indicator of overall value in a player. using that, Seider is at 5.6, Bunting is 5.1, Raymond is at 4.0 and Zegras is at 3.7. That sort of _feels_ right if you treat the Calder as it is named.

But bear in mind Panarin was 24 when he won. The worst one was Makarov who was 31. Late arrivals like Nabokov and Belfour were 25. Historically some guys were 26 and 27.

They should change the rules, but until they do, Bunting is a serious candidate.

Evgeni Malkin has been fined in this league, I think he's got some NHL hardware under his belt.
- joel878

He may have a trinket or two, yes.

Last goal 🤮. Fine isn’t good enough for PO success.
- Cush29

He’ll be watching in the playoffs. He was fine tonight

The league has nothing to say about it. It's voted on by The Professional Hockey Writers Association. Now they are going favour Raymond, Zegras or Seider. At the moment Seider is still probably the front runner. Bunting is making a valid case by leading rookies in goal scoring and being tied in points. Bunting is actually making his most noticeable contribution at Even Strength with 39 points; Lundell is second at 32 (then Zegras / Raymond at 29).

I find Hockey-Reference's Point Share stat is actually not a bad indicator of overall value in a player. using that, Seider is at 5.6, Bunting is 5.1, Raymond is at 4.0 and Zegras is at 3.7. That sort of _feels_ right if you treat the Calder as it is named.

But bear in mind Panarin was 24 when he won. The worst one was Makarov who was 31. Late arrivals like Nabokov and Belfour were 25. Historically some guys were 26 and 27.

They should change the rules, but until they do, Bunting is a serious candidate.
- Monkeypunk

It’s easy. Bunting isn’t sexy and everyone loves sexy

He’ll be watching in the playoffs. He was fine tonight
- Canada Cup

Last goal wasn’t fine to me but it is what it is.

The league has nothing to say about it. It's voted on by The Professional Hockey Writers Association. Now they are going favour Raymond, Zegras or Seider. At the moment Seider is still probably the front runner. Bunting is making a valid case by leading rookies in goal scoring and being tied in points. Bunting is actually making his most noticeable contribution at Even Strength with 39 points; Lundell is second at 32 (then Zegras / Raymond at 29).

I find Hockey-Reference's Point Share stat is actually not a bad indicator of overall value in a player. using that, Seider is at 5.6, Bunting is 5.1, Raymond is at 4.0 and Zegras is at 3.7. That sort of _feels_ right if you treat the Calder as it is named.

But bear in mind Panarin was 24 when he won. The worst one was Makarov who was 31. Late arrivals like Nabokov and Belfour were 25. Historically some guys were 26 and 27.

They should change the rules, but until they do, Bunting is a serious candidate.
- Monkeypunk

Oh poop, I wasn't aware of some of those previous older winners. Bunting has more of a chance than I thought. I think he would need to go on a real heater and get a significant lead on the scoring and goal race. If he clearly wins it, maybe they still think who he plays with and his age detract from it. But the more of a lead he has, the harder it is to wave that away. Of course that's a hypothetical, he doesn't have a big lead now.

I think the younger guys have an edge because of age. I just don't think the diving fine is even a thing. Never heard of that before.
- Zezel

That would be because nobody ever considered for rookie of the year had been fined by the NHL for shifty playing lol

That would be because nobody ever considered for rookie of the year had been fined by the NHL for shifty playing lol
- Dozzer

I think if you play well enough, you pretty much have to get busted for steroids or murder for it to disqualify you from an award.

The league has nothing to say about it. It's voted on by The Professional Hockey Writers Association. Now they are going favour Raymond, Zegras or Seider. At the moment Seider is still probably the front runner. Bunting is making a valid case by leading rookies in goal scoring and being tied in points. Bunting is actually making his most noticeable contribution at Even Strength with 39 points; Lundell is second at 32 (then Zegras / Raymond at 29).

I find Hockey-Reference's Point Share stat is actually not a bad indicator of overall value in a player. using that, Seider is at 5.6, Bunting is 5.1, Raymond is at 4.0 and Zegras is at 3.7. That sort of _feels_ right if you treat the Calder as it is named.

But bear in mind Panarin was 24 when he won. The worst one was Makarov who was 31. Late arrivals like Nabokov and Belfour were 25. Historically some guys were 26 and 27.

They should change the rules, but until they do, Bunting is a serious candidate.
- Monkeypunk

You’re the one who would know.

Has there ever been a winner who had been fined by the NHL for poor play during their rookie season?

I think if you play well enough, you pretty much have to get busted for steroids or murder for it to disqualify you from an award.
- Zezel

I don’t lol

Fined by the NHL for breaking the rules is enough for you to be tossed out of consideration

I don’t lol

Fined by the NHL for breaking the rules is enough for you to be tossed out of consideration
- Dozzer

link?

It seems like the kind of thing the commentators and analysts would have mentioned because Bunting's qualification for the Calder is an unusual story. They would be saying but Jim it's too bad about that diving fine, that's pretty much sunk his chances. It would be very controversial as well because diving is so subjective. It would be taking a major award away from a player based on something that's arguable. It just doesn't seem like a thing to me.

Imo it’s Seider’s to lose unless a miraculous finish by another rookie

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- Monkeypunk

I like the way he's improving. Got plenty iof games left in the season too.

Imo it’s Seider’s to lose unless a miraculous finish by another rookie
- Nighthawk

Had 11P in 7 games by a rookie d man recently, playing over 22mins a night already, 41P in 56 games overall, and 3 game winners with 2 in OT.

Not to mention he’s plus 1 playing D for the wings, and he’s only 20

If he keeps this up he’ll win it.

I don’t lol

Fined by the NHL for breaking the rules is enough for you to be tossed out of consideration
- Dozzer

When has this ever been a thing?

When has this ever been a thing?
- Santo_44

Name one guy who got fined and won.

Where does it say that?
It was what? A $2000 fine? Dont see how that impacts his chances.
I think his age has a bigger impact over some petty fine.
- Fakepartofme

I don’t get the age thing

The award is given to the best rookie

If the voters vote according to what the award is given for, it won’t matter how old they are as long as they are eligible

I don’t think Buntint wins anyways, it’ll still be hilarious when he’s nominated

You’re the one who would know.

Has there ever been a winner who had been fined by the NHL for poor play during their rookie season?
- Dozzer

Diving is a relatively new penalty, and is also subjective. I saw that play and if Bunting wanted to appeal it with evidence citing other cases that were not cited, he'd have to watch 1 game to collect enough evidence to win his case. It was a crap judgement by a crap leader of the DoPS.

For citation - Crosby had 55 minors in his rookie season. Ovechkin had 26. Looking at a list no one really jumps out at me, but think of the diving citation as nothing more than a "careless use of the stick" fine. Those are doled out like candy. It really means nothing. It can held against a guy if you're looking for a reason to hold something against them - but it's basically meaningless.

Imo it’s Seider’s to lose unless a miraculous finish by another rookie
- Nighthawk

Exactly. The conversation is technically moot - other than to say that Bunting is in consideration, qualifies, and is currently probably realistically the 2nd place recipient of votes (he won't be - but objectively and without bias influences, he is). Having received a diving fine or anything else is not grounds to disqualify them from consideration.

Last Blue Jackets goal is one Mrazek or Campbell or a starting NHL goalie has to
Have. No screen, no way that should go
In.

Leafs with a big win but the Columbus goalie made some big saves (looks like he got fairly lucky a few times) and Leafs didn’t get that.

Regardless it’s a win and battling through those types of games and getting the win is great.

I still feel like the Leafs probably need a Muzzin replacement + some D help / Holl replacement and maybe goaltending depth.

Mrazek at 3.8 isn’t looking great.
- Cush29

That's why I said earlier we should offer him up at the deadline. Will be stuck with that contract otherwise.

Name one guy who got fined and won.
- Dozzer

He probably won’t win it because of his age, but I highly doubt the hockey writers who vote on the award give 2 poops about his fine for diving.