Diving is a relatively new penalty, and is also subjective. I saw that play and if Bunting wanted to appeal it with evidence citing other cases that were not cited, he'd have to watch 1 game to collect enough evidence to win his case. It was a crap judgement by a crap leader of the DoPS.

For citation - Crosby had 55 minors in his rookie season. Ovechkin had 26. Looking at a list no one really jumps out at me, but think of the diving citation as nothing more than a "careless use of the stick" fine. Those are doled out like candy. It really means nothing. It can held against a guy if you're looking for a reason to hold something against them - but it's basically meaningless.
- Monkeypunk

But it’s not just the penalty he got… he got warned, he kept doing it so he’s been fined now.

I do honestly believe this will play a role in the decision of who wins.

And he’s doing well but he’s also playing with Matthews and Marner… and he’s still nothing more than tied for points with a d man from Detroit who’s 6 years younger.

I honestly believe he only gets considered by media to draw the attention of the maple leafs fan base which is bigger than any other teams

Exactly. The conversation is technically moot - other than to say that Bunting is in consideration, qualifies, and is currently probably realistically the 2nd place recipient of votes (he won't be - but objectively and without bias influences, he is). Having received a diving fine or anything else is not grounds to disqualify them from consideration.
- Monkeypunk

Please understand I’m not trying to say he will be disqualified. I’m saying it will play a role and influence the decision made by the professional hockey writer’s association

Name one guy who got fined and won.
- Dozzer

But that still doesn’t prove that you are right.

When has a rookie that was good enough to win the Calder even fined?

Like where did you hear that this was a thing? That’s what I am asking

He probably won’t win it because of his age, but I highly doubt the hockey writers who vote on the award give 2 poops about his fine for diving.
- jribout

And I disagree with you. These people will look at all aspects of a players game and consider the positive or negative aspect that each thing adds.

Exactly. The conversation is technically moot - other than to say that Bunting is in consideration, qualifies, and is currently probably realistically the 2nd place recipient of votes (he won't be - but objectively and without bias influences, he is). Having received a diving fine or anything else is not grounds to disqualify them from consideration.
- Monkeypunk

That’s what I figured

But it’s not just the penalty he got… he got warned, he kept doing it so he’s been fined now.

I do honestly believe this will play a role in the decision of who wins.

And he’s doing well but he’s also playing with Matthews and Marner… and he’s still nothing more than tied for points with a d man from Detroit who’s 6 years younger.

I honestly believe he only gets considered by media to draw the attention of the maple leafs fan base which is bigger than any other teams
- Dozzer

Cant see it mattering.

But he wont win. Because points aside, hes no better than 4th or 5th best rookie this year.

Which is great, but he wont win the calder. Not close.

But that still doesn’t prove that you are right.

When has a rookie that was good enough to win the Calder even fined?

Like where did you hear that this was a thing? That’s what I am asking
- Santo_44

I never once claimed it was.

The people who decide look at all aspects of a players game.

The negative things will influence the decision just as much as the positive ones.

I never once claimed it was.

The people who decide look at all aspects of a players game.

The negative things will influence the decision just as much as the positive ones.
- Dozzer

Oh so it’s just your opinion, not an actual rule…okay carry on

Cant see it mattering.

But he wont win. Because points aside, hes no better than 4th or 5th best rookie this year.

Which is great, but he wont win the calder. Not close.
- prock

And I do think being penalized by the league outside of a game does influence the opinions of the decision makers.

And I disagree with you. These people will look at all aspects of a players game and consider the positive or negative aspect that each thing adds.
- Dozzer

That’s fine you can disagree with everyone (so far) on this

Oh so it’s just your opinion, not an actual rule…okay carry on
- Santo_44

He won’t win. I don’t need you guys to agree with my opinion.

He won’t win. I don’t need you guys to agree with my opinion.
- Dozzer

Okay great, again carry on

That’s fine you can disagree with everyone (so far) on this
- jribout

I don’t disagree with just about every professional writer when it comes to their opinions.

Just you addicted leaf fans lol

Okay great, again carry on
- Santo_44

Stop chirping me or anyone else with disrespect for having an opinion Santo or I’ll ban you

And I do think being penalized by the league outside of a game does influence the opinions of the decision makers.
- Dozzer

I doubt it. Theyre voting for the best players and dont care about fines.

I suspect players that are hated get hurt in voting. Like the marchand type. But even he is up there in selke voting and stuff. The voters dont care about a fine. Many wont even remember it i bet.

He won’t win. I don’t need you guys to agree with my opinion.
- Dozzer

I dont think anybody expects him to. There sre other better rookies.

I don’t disagree with just about every professional writer when it comes to their opinions.

Just you addicted leaf fans lol
- Dozzer

There are writers out there saying they wont vote for a player that is fined???? Where?????

I don’t disagree with just about every professional writer when it comes to their opinions.

Just you addicted leaf fans lol
- Dozzer

I don’t think anybody is saying he is going to win. People are disagreeing that his diving fine is a factor. Nothing addicted about that

I doubt it. Theyre voting for the best players and dont care about fines.

I suspect players that are hated get hurt in voting. Like the marchand type. But even he is up there in selke voting and stuff. The voters dont care about a fine. Many wont even remember it i bet.
- prock

Selke unlike the Calder is based on defensive play. The Calder is based on overall play. So you can still be the dominant defensive player with a suspension…. However overall getting fined for diving harms their deserving of the trophy.

There are writers out there saying they wont vote for a player that is fined???? Where?????
- prock

Not that.

No writers have him at number 1.

Writers want him included because he’s a leaf, I won’t believe anything else.

I doubt it. Theyre voting for the best players and dont care about fines.

I suspect players that are hated get hurt in voting. Like the marchand type. But even he is up there in selke voting and stuff. The voters dont care about a fine. Many wont even remember it i bet.
- prock

Agree with all of this

Selke unlike the Calder is based on defensive play. The Calder is based on overall play. So you can still be the dominant defensive player with a suspension…. However overall getting fined for diving harms their deserving of the trophy.
- Dozzer

Youre saying you can be dominant defensively with a suspension, but not dominant overall with a fine?

If thats what youre saying, it makes no sense.

I don’t think anybody is saying he is going to win. People are disagreeing that his diving fine is a factor. Nothing addicted about that
- Canada Cup

Depends on the voter.

If I was a writer and was voting I wouldn’t vote for him simply due to that. The Calder is based on an overall game, being shifty when hit makes you a pooptier player imo.

I’m willing to bet some of the actual voters think that as well.

Youre saying you can be dominant defensively with a suspension, but not dominant overall with a fine?

If thats what youre saying, it makes no sense.
- prock

Yes it does. A suspension doesn’t effect a skill level of defensive play. A fine or suspension does effect an overall game. Means you’re not a clean player, and yes the style of play is part of the overall game more than just one skill set.

Not that.

No writers have him at number 1.

Writers want him included because he’s a leaf, I won’t believe anything else.
- Dozzer

Hes worthwhile discussing because hes been good. Excellent for a rookie in fact.

He might not be the best rookie out there but hes holding his own on the top line of a top team, something other players that have been around for years failed at. Thats noteworthy.