Yes it does. A suspension doesn’t effect a skill level of defensive play. A fine or suspension does effect an overall game. Means you’re not a clean player, and yes the style of play is part of the overall game more than just one skill set.
- Dozzer

Well, whatever, youre welcome to your opinion. Pretty sure youll be alone on this one though.

Hes worthwhile discussing because hes been good. Excellent for a rookie in fact.

He might not be the best rookie out there but hes holding his own on the top line of a top team, something other players that have been around for years failed at. Thats noteworthy.
- prock

His point production is also primarily due to his line mates and not his own skill set.

Like I said I love the guy, but I’ll be shocked if he even gets a single vote.

Well, whatever, youre welcome to your opinion. Pretty sure youll be alone on this one though.
- prock

Then everyone else is biased.

I feel like I’ve walked into a Monty Python skit

Then everyone else is biased.
- Dozzer

Lol

He gets a vote for this alone

https://mobile.twitter.co.../1501023360142258180?s=12

His point production is also primarily due to his line mates and not his own skill set.

Like I said I love the guy, but I’ll be shocked if he even gets a single vote.
- Dozzer

Yes it is partly because of his linemates. If he were leading rookie scoring with crappy linemates he would be the favourite. Or at least neck and neck with seider. But hes not, because everybody recognizes his points are boosted by his line. But its not like without his linemates he would be in the NHL. Hes getting discussed in calder discussion because hes top 5 or 6 rookie this year. Being discussed doesnt have to mean people think he will win. Voters get 3 votes i believe. They dont just vote for 1 player.

I get that Bunting is putting up points playing next to Marner and Matthews, but also, no one else was able to do that which is why Bunting got the job and Ritchie eventually got traded.

So that's got to mean he's better than Marmer/Matthews banking pucks off of his corpse into the net every night.

Lol

He gets a vote for this alone

https://mobile.twitter.co.../1501023360142258180?s=12
- Canada Cup

Oh I love both those guys too lol

Too bad I didn’t have a trophy to give him

Yes it is partly because of his linemates. If he were leading rookie scoring with crappy linemates he would be the favourite. Or at least neck and neck with seider. But hes not, because everybody recognizes his points are boosted by his line. But its not like without his linemates he would be in the NHL. Hes getting discussed in calder discussion because hes top 5 or 6 rookie this year. Being discussed doesnt have to mean people think he will win. Voters get 3 votes i believe. They dont just vote for 1 player.
- prock

I’ll still be rather shocked if he gets any tbh

Then everyone else is biased.
- Dozzer

I cant really speak for everybody else but i was speaking in generalities. I doubt voters csre about fines or suspensions in award voting (any of it), with the exception of a) a lengthy suspension that took a player out of too many games, or b) the lady byng trophy.

Lots of guys that have been fined or suspended get votes for various trophies. Ovechkin, for example. Early in his career he was frequently in hot water for borderline hits. He still got lots of hart votes ( an overall play award)

That would be because nobody ever considered for rookie of the year had been fined by the NHL for shifty playing lol
- Dozzer

I dont think thats a thing.

Please understand I’m not trying to say he will be disqualified. I’m saying it will play a role and influence the decision made by the professional hockey writer’s association
- Dozzer

As I say, it could certainly play a role - but it would because they are looking for something to play a role because his age can't technically be used as a factor.

Right now Seider plays on a team that is 2 games below .500 and is collectively -42 as a team. He is playing the most minutes of any defenseman (of anyone) on the team as a 1PP guy and as and a top-4 even strength defender and is +1. I mean Nick Leddy is -28 on that team. He's 11th among all defensemen in points per game. Detroit has 26 power play goals, and he's been involved in 17 of them (Raymond's been involved in 14 of them, so it's the rookies that are getting it done).

Bunting has 20 goals and 25 points in 56 games - it's not unreasonable to see him finish with 30 goals and 65 points. That would be around the numbers Petterson, MacKinnon, Skinner or Landeskog won with. I am not saying he's in the same stratosphere as Petterson, MacKinnon, Skinner or Landeskog - he's far more mature and developed so it's not a fair comparison at all - and our eyes tell us that anyway - but the point remains that even with those numbers, Seider is a cut above in his rookie performance and it would take Bunting to finish with probably 40 goals and 75 points to even give him a run.

The league has nothing to say about it. It's voted on by The Professional Hockey Writers Association. Now they are going favour Raymond, Zegras or Seider. At the moment Seider is still probably the front runner. Bunting is making a valid case by leading rookies in goal scoring and being tied in points. Bunting is actually making his most noticeable contribution at Even Strength with 39 points; Lundell is second at 32 (then Zegras / Raymond at 29).

I find Hockey-Reference's Point Share stat is actually not a bad indicator of overall value in a player. using that, Seider is at 5.6, Bunting is 5.1, Raymond is at 4.0 and Zegras is at 3.7. That sort of _feels_ right if you treat the Calder as it is named.

But bear in mind Panarin was 24 when he won. The worst one was Makarov who was 31. Late arrivals like Nabokov and Belfour were 25. Historically some guys were 26 and 27.

They should change the rules, but until they do, Bunting is a serious candidate.
- Monkeypunk

Ya zegras is the sexy pick cause of his pretty goals.
Bunting will be top 3 in voting if he keeps this pace up.

I’ll still be rather shocked if he gets any tbh
- Dozzer

I yhink he collects a few bottom votes. Youll get some writers that wont ignore him if he wins the scoring race.

I feel like I’ve walked into a Monty Python skit
- Canada Cup

I get that Bunting is putting up points playing next to Marner and Matthews, but also, no one else was able to do that which is why Bunting got the job and Ritchie eventually got traded.

So that's got to mean he's better than Marmer/Matthews banking pucks off of his corpse into the net every night.
- joel878

Actually this is a massive point in his favour. I am not lobbying for him - I am firmly for Seider (see above) - but he is playing against the top defensive players in the entire world who are trying to stop some of the premier offensive talents in the league. When you take almost anyone else on this team - they can't do that. When you take a bunch of guys from the past several years - they also, likewise, couldn't do that. Being tenacious against some of the best checking and attention is the league is a skill that Bunting does have and it's highly complimentary of his competitive engine - and it's honestly why he's in this conversation and why he's on that line.

Actually this is a massive point in his favour. I am not lobbying for him - I am firmly for Seider (see above) - but he is playing against the top defensive players in the entire world who are trying to stop some of the premier offensive talents in the league. When you take almost anyone else on this team - they can't do that. When you take a bunch of guys from the past several years - they also, likewise, couldn't do that. Being tenacious against some of the best checking and attention is the league is a skill that Bunting does have and it's highly complimentary of his competitive engine - and it's honestly why he's in this conversation and why he's on that line.
- Monkeypunk

Yup. An impressive season for him.

He will most certainly be in the Calder conversation. And the internet will be fun to watch if he gets nominated.

Bunting’s biggest value might be the number of power plays he has given the team with the #1 power play in the league. Which means he loses a ton of value in the playoffs when nothing is called

We are contenders! Move over Florida!

Winning erases all flaws

Yup. An impressive season for him.

He will most certainly be in the Calder conversation. And the internet will be fun to watch if he gets nominated.
- Santo_44

They don't actually get nominated. The dumbass writer guys vote. Then the top 3 are the “ nominated “.

We are contenders! Move over Florida!

Winning erases all flaws
- Aaron_85

Marchment w/ 3 pts

We are contenders! Move over Florida!

Winning erases all flaws
- Aaron_85

Don't worry, there's always room for new flaws to open up. Stuff that fans could never even be able to makeup if we tried.

I feel like I’ve walked into a Monty Python skit
- Canada Cup

Dozzer is just the kinda guy I would hire back in the day - never taking NO for an answer...

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- Aaron_85

I like the Maple Leafs in this upcoming game.