Would have been nice if they left Zucker exposed in that draft, problem is is that Francis probably wouldn't have taken him.
- 668710

Zucker was exposed.

Blueger and Carter were protected along with Crosby, Malkin, Guentzel, Rust, and Kapanen.

I don’t think it’s right either. I think Rutherford falls out of love with players just as fast as he falls in love with them and just because he fixated on Zucker and Kapanen a few years ago doesn’t mean he’ll fixate on them now. I’m kinda hopeful that maybe he still has a high opinion of Kapanen since he was scoring when Rutherford was still here, but I don’t see why he’d give a poop about Zucker. All of his first hand experience with Zucker has been pretty subpar.

Rutherford isn’t a Chiarelli situation. I think he’s prone to acquiring the odd legitimately bad player (Jack Johnson), but for the most part the majority of the guys he brought in were good hockey players relative to the role they were expected to play. The issue was that in his last couple of years most of them were overpaid for or never found their footing. I don’t think Rutherfords the type of guy you can straight up fleece with a terrible player, but I do think you can take advantage of him if he fixates on one of your decent players and I’m not sure we have that unless we’re starting to seriously talk about moving Dumoulin.
- Victoro311

It sucks that the Nucks have OEL because I could totally see Ruth taking Matheson. Which would probably be the same reason he wouldn't take Dumo.

Zucker was exposed.

Blueger and Carter were protected along with Crosby, Malkin, Guentzel, Rust, and Kapanen.
- Thunderbolt

Well then lol, at least I was correct in Francis not taking him 🤣

Could have left Malkin and Carter exposed. Malkin could have stated publicly he won’t go to Seattle, Carter could tell them if selected he would retire and you lose ZAR. Then you could at least Trade Tanev(although I wouldn’t).
- Grinder47

Man this is not the first time you say this and it truly just is not hard to Google poop. Malkin has a NMC and couldn’t have be exposed. And before you say well just get him to waive it think about how unreasonable it is to ask someone to void a part of their contract that basically gives them complete security over where they’re living. What if Francis calls Geno’s bluff and takes him anyways even if he says he’ll never play a game in Seattle? It would be the smart thing to do because holding the rights a star player on hold out is still orders of magnitude more valuable than having ZAR playing hockey games for you.

He turned down $2M a year to play for Ottawa. Not exactly the same as turning down $2M a year for pretty much anyone else.

Zucker was exposed.

Blueger and Carter were protected along with Crosby, Malkin, Guentzel, Rust, and Kapanen.
- Thunderbolt

Our landscape changes completely if we had protected McCann instead of Kapanen. I was in favor of exposing Carter at the time because I thought the idea of Seattle taking him was far fetched but it would have been a huge disaster if they did actually take him so I understood why they did that.

He would be an offseason move though because of his injury and cap status.
- burgh4life87

Send him to the Yotes for Phil right now lol

Man this is not the first time you say this and it truly just is not hard to Google poop. Malkin has a NMC and couldn’t have be exposed. And before you say well just get him to waive it think about how unreasonable it is to ask someone to void a part of their contract that basically gives them complete security over where they’re living. What if Francis calls Geno’s bluff and takes him anyways even if he says he’ll never play a game in Seattle? It would be the smart thing to do because holding the rights a star player on hold out is still orders of magnitude more valuable than having ZAR playing hockey games for you.
- Victoro311

Yea this haha

He turned down $2M a year to play for Ottawa. Not exactly the same as turning down $2M a year for pretty much anyone else.
- Rurik766

That's true haha, he probably doesn't want to be there.

He would be an offseason move though because of his injury and cap status.
- burgh4life87

Oh yeah, for sure. He's not going anywhere this year. I'm fine with that though.

Man this is not the first time you say this and it truly just is not hard to Google poop. Malkin has a NMC and couldn’t have be exposed. And before you say well just get him to waive it think about how unreasonable it is to ask someone to void a part of their contract that basically gives them complete security over where they’re living. What if Francis calls Geno’s bluff and takes him anyways even if he says he’ll never play a game in Seattle? It would be the smart thing to do because holding the rights a star player on hold out is still orders of magnitude more valuable than having ZAR playing hockey games for you.
- Victoro311

Thank. You.

He turned down $2M a year to play for Ottawa. Not exactly the same as turning down $2M a year for pretty much anyone else.
- Rurik766

Not sure I agree with this statement. OTT, while still not a playoff time is showing flashes that they're up-and-coming. It may not be the sexiest place to play, but I don't know that they're viewed as terrible of a place to play as they were.

They're gonna be decent in a few years.

Our landscape changes completely if we had protected McCann instead of Kapanen. I was in favor of exposing Carter at the time because I thought the idea of Seattle taking him was far fetched but it would have been a huge disaster if they did actually take him so I understood why they did that.
- Victoro311

IIRC Kapanen wasn't really one of the guys we discussed as potentially being exposed. It was Blueger and Carter. Kap's name may have been thrown around but it was the exception rather than the rule.

Not sure I agree with this statement. OTT, while still not a playoff time is showing flashes that they're up-and-coming. It may not be the sexiest place to play, but I don't know that they're viewed as terrible of a place to play as they were.

They're gonna be decent in a few years.
- Rinosaur

Dude is 26 and this will probably be his last big contract depending on length of his next one here. He don't want to be there unless he gets paid more, Or maybe he does just want more money. All I know is if Im 26 and in his position I'm not waiting for them, I'm moving on.

Dude is 26 and this will probably be his last big contract depending on length of his next one here. He don't want to be there unless he gets paid more, Or maybe he does just want more money. All I know is if Im 26 and in his position I'm not waiting for them, I'm moving on.
- 668710

I'm fine with him as a rental, but if I'm the Pens, I'm not paying him more than $2M. I'd rather trade for him and ride the hot hand, but this is likely an aberration of a season for him.

IIRC Kapanen wasn't really one of the guys we discussed as potentially being exposed. It was Blueger and Carter. Kap's name may have been thrown around but it was the exception rather than the rule.
- Thunderbolt

Yeah my post is complete hindsight. I know some guys on this board saw the kap regression coming but his season last year made him pretty much an autoprotect. But I thought that McCann was also an autoprotect and frankly better than Kapanen so i think we were all pretty baffled by that decision.

From the info we had then I think the way to go was take the Carter gamble, but in pure hind sight obviously you expose Kapanen and don’t even play that game with Carter.

I'm fine with him as a rental, but if I'm the Pens, I'm not paying him more than $2M. I'd rather trade for him and ride the hot hand, but this is likely an aberration of a season for him.
- Rinosaur

Oh definitely, it all depends on what he wants when signing with whoever he's gonna sign with. It's just hard to tell if he would take 2mil to play for a better team or he legitimately just wants more money and doesn't care about winning.

Yeah my post is complete hindsight. I know some guys on this board saw the kap regression coming but his season last year made him pretty much an autoprotect. But I thought that McCann was also an autoprotect and frankly better than Kapanen so i think we were all pretty baffled by that decision.

From the info we had then I think the way to go was take the Carter gamble, but in pure hind sight obviously you expose Kapanen and don’t even play that game with Carter.
- Victoro311

Hex would never do that to Carter anyway either so the Geno/Carter idea was never going to be a thing.

Yeah my post is complete hindsight. I know some guys on this board saw the kap regression coming but his season last year made him pretty much an autoprotect. But I thought that McCann was also an autoprotect and frankly better than Kapanen so i think we were all pretty baffled by that decision.

From the info we had then I think the way to go was take the Carter gamble, but in pure hind sight obviously you expose Kapanen and don’t even play that game with Carter.
- Victoro311

How about if we would have traded Kapanen instead of McCann?

How about if we would have traded Kapanen instead of McCann?
- Thunderbolt

Haha obviously we would have had to protect McCann and also trade with a different team.

How about if we would have traded Kapanen instead of McCann?
- Thunderbolt

I don't think anyone would have thought Kapanen would lay an egg this season. Plus idk who at RW we would have replaced him with. Especially with Malkin out at the beginning of the season. I think losing Tanev was the better option. McGinn has played well.

Via Frank Seravalli
"13. Nick Paul
Center / Left Wing, Ottawa Senators
Age: 26
Contract: Pending UFA, $1.35 million AAV
📉 Last Rank: 11th
Scoop: The preference of the Ottawa Senators is to keep Paul. Full stop. That much is clear; they value his contribution, his work ethic, his compete level. They’ve made what they believe are fair offers to extend him, including a three-year, $6 million ($2 million per) proposal that did not gain traction. This much is also clear: Given where the Senators are, they can’t afford to watch Paul walk for nothing. So if push comes to shove over the next few weeks, keep an eye on Paul as a player with real value for Ottawa to cash in on on the trade market."
- burgh4life87

Wouldn't mind Paul or Sanford from Ottawa. I think either and/or both would be solid pickups.

Wouldn't mind Paul or Sanford from Ottawa. I think either and/or both would be solid pickups.
- 123Kid

They would really put the pens over the top.

I don't think anyone would have thought Kapanen would lay an egg this season. Plus idk who at RW we would have replaced him with. Especially with Malkin out at the beginning of the season. I think losing Tanev was the better option. McGinn has played well.
- 123Kid

Anyone with at least a basic understanding of PDO predicted regression for Kap.

Anyone with at least a basic understanding of PDO predicted regression for Kap.
- Feds91Stammer

LOL! Why isn't McCann regressing this year? His PDO was higher than Kap's last season.