If something happens to Shesterkin, they're toast. He's having one of the best seasons of all time.
- Tomahawk

For sure, the runaway Hart winner in my opinion.

It was a really good article with good insight. The comments of coach 3 were the best in my opinion. He summed it up. The best quote was below.

"“For instance, we have a guy who is a good defender. Good stick-on-puck work. In the right position. Blocks a lot of shots. Strong on the walls. Cancels out guys at net-front – all pretty reliably. By his analytics (though), he is way underwater. But he’s earned our trust."
- MJL

Andrew Macdonald?

It was a really good article with good insight. The comments of coach 3 were the best in my opinion. He summed it up. The best quote was below.

"“For instance, we have a guy who is a good defender. Good stick-on-puck work. In the right position. Blocks a lot of shots. Strong on the walls. Cancels out guys at net-front – all pretty reliably. By his analytics (though), he is way underwater. But he’s earned our trust."
- MJL

Was my favorite quote as well

If something happens to Shesterkin, they're toast. He's having one of the best seasons of all time.

(he's literally spotting them a goal per game, .926 goals saved above expected per 60)
- Tomahawk

Lundqvist all over again, unreal.

Andrew Macdonald?
- ClaudeFather

Dan Girardi, AMac, Kris Russell, Jack Johnson, take your pick lol

Lundqvist all over again, unreal.
- ClaudeFather

Richter, Hanky.... now Shesterkin. Like an unending chain of HOF goaltending stretching back to the late-80s lol. So annoying.

Can that source shed some light on the analytics that show Risto is a good player?
- TobyFlenderson

If he wasn't good player why did chuckles give up a 1 a 2 and a roster player?

Was my favorite quote as well
- TobyFlenderson

I liked what Trotz said about strategy.

Barry Trotz, then of the Washington Capitals and now with the New York Islanders, coached against Gallant in the 2018 Stanley Cup Final. He has said that he makes certain use of analytics but cautioned against playing what he terms “an analytics game.” He said it specifically in regard to not going overboard in trying to carry the puck into the offensive zone in situations where chip-and-chase is the smarter play.

Said Trotz to NHL.com, “Teams were really clogging us up and when we needed to chip pucks and have self-retrieval we were trying to dangle. I call it analytics death. There’s a time to carry and there’s a time to self-chip it. You’ve got all the speed so self-chip it, get on the other side of the guy, and hang on to it. We were trying to dangle guys.”

Trotz was right. The same thing goes for exiting the defensive zone. If there’s a clean breakout available rather than going high off the glass, that’s one thing. But there are times where the old-school play is better one.

Teams sometimes let analytics trump common sense.

Andrew Macdonald?
- ClaudeFather

Or Robert Hagg?

I liked what Trotz said about strategy.





Teams sometimes let analytics trump common sense.
- MBFlyerfan

points per 60
pace
expected goals for
expected goals against


Those are def most important. They Trump actual stats.

Flyers are playing catchup in the analytics game. They're years behind the curve already. Hiring a couple of new faces doesn't mean they've caught up, it just means they're still in the process of building out the dept.

And I'm sure Fletch does listen to what Ian Anderson has to say. He just also has Bob Clarke in his ear all the time. And Dave Scott breathing down his neck. I don't see the dept of analytics winning many internal battles anytime soon.
- Tomahawk

Flyers should stay out of signing long term free agents. What makes you feel optimistic about Briere? What do you know about him as a hockey exec?
- MJL

By all reports, he's eager to learn/has put in the work to gain as much managerial experience throughout the organization(s) he's been a part of as possible, has been in demand at other organizations, and being a small, skilled player, hopefully provides a different, more modern perspective on the direction of the game v. the Lombardi/Clarke/Holmgren wooden stick circle of death

But mostly I'm just tying Briere's success to his rearing of Giroux and Couturier

good read and he reported it well.
- hello it's me 2050

Bundy must have had one heck of an editor when the original article was written in 2019 .

Teams sometimes let analytics trump common sense.
- MBFlyerfan

Again, analytics isn't about finding some universal hockey truths or maxims (like never dump the puck, everybody needs to drive play, etc). It's about discovering and leveraging temporary competitive advantages on and off the ice thru data before everybody else catches on and copies you. Then hopefully you've invested enough research and done enough modelling where your team is already on to the next thing before the competition catches wind.

Because Fletcher is a buffoon is why.

Newly bolstered lol. Why didn't he listen to his analytics when he signed Chris Stewart? He flat out admitted he ignored their advice and signed him anyway.

RR anlayics are bad. That is a fact. Is there some diff from what is made public and the flyers proprietary data? Yes more than likely. Not enough to polish that turd however.
- hello it's me 2050

C'mon, Stewart signing was clearly just a favour to Stewart to try and resurrect his career. He was not able to and it wasnt something that hurt the team. He simply disappeared over the course of the season

I liked what Trotz said about strategy.





Teams sometimes let analytics trump common sense.
- MBFlyerfan

Trotz is right but watching the Flyers the last two years. Notice how many times they give up possession of the puck when they don't have to.

Any chance Atkinson is dealt?

And would we want that?
- ParentConnSmythe75

I don't feel like the Flyers are going to be contenders anytime soon, so if I could get a younger player with potential, I trade him.

Chuck thinks they can be contenders next year, so no, I don't think they trade him.

Im betting one of those coaches is Berube, possibly Ken Hitchcock could be another.
- MBFlyerfan

my guess was Berube, Laviolette, and Tocchet.

By all reports, he's eager to learn/has put in the work to gain as much managerial experience throughout the organization(s) he's been a part of as possible, has been in demand at other organizations, and being a small, skilled player, hopefully provides a different, more modern perspective on the direction of the game v. the Lombardi/Clarke/Holmgren wooden stick circle of death

But mostly I'm just tying Briere's success to his rearing of Giroux and Couturier
- lindros's lung

Okay, sounds like a guy you should work to develop and mentor. Other than that, not much there. Look he could be the next top level modern day NHL GM in the making. I just don't know that and I don't know how any other fan could know that.

If a deal comes along that makes sense, I'd trade literally anybody off this team. Including Hart, Provorov and Coots. There should be no untouchables from a team this bad.
- Tomahawk

I assume if they trade Hart it won't be for another goalie, so I would hold onto Hart until they felt they had another legit prospect to be the future goalie. They don't know that right now.

Again, analytics isn't about finding some universal hockey truths or maxims (like never dump the puck, everybody needs to drive play, etc). It's about discovering and leveraging temporary competitive advantages on and off the ice thru data before everybody else catches on and copies you. Then hopefully you've invested enough research and done enough modelling where your team is already on to the next thing before the competition catches wind.
- Tomahawk

Ian Anderson was talking about doing things that Chicago was doing back in 2010.

Again, analytics isn't about finding some universal hockey truths or maxims (like never dump the puck, everybody needs to drive play, etc). It's about discovering and leveraging temporary competitive advantages on and off the ice thru data before everybody else catches on and copies you. Then hopefully you've invested enough research and done enough modelling where your team is already on to the next thing before the competition catches wind.
- Tomahawk

I think this is why Carolina is ahead of the curve on most teams. I feel like their moves just work out. It was unpopular to go after DeAngelo in the offseason, that's worked out pretty well for them especially after letting Hamilton walk. Getting Teravainen in order to take on Bickell's contract. Trading Rask (currently in the minors) for Niederreiter.

And obviously they were in on Eric Tulsky before anyone, who's helped their analytics dept and moved up their ranks pretty rapidly and just interviewed for Chicago's GM vacancy

Dan Girardi, AMac, Kris Russell, Jack Johnson, take your pick lol
- Tomahawk

Girardi at one point was a step above those guys. The prototypical perfect defensive defenseman was Nik Hjamarlsson.

I think this is why Carolina is ahead of the curve on most teams. I feel like their moves just work out. It was unpopular to go after DeAngelo in the offseason, that's worked out pretty well for them especially after letting Hamilton walk. Getting Teravainen in order to take on Bickell's contract. Trading Rask (currently in the minors) for Niederreiter.

And obviously they were in on Eric Tulsky before anyone, who's helped their analytics dept and moved up their ranks pretty rapidly and just interviewed for Chicago's GM vacancy
- TobyFlenderson

That's what's interesting. Hamilton was a very strong analytics player. One of the top puck moving attacking defenseman in the NHL. What did they see there? Was it strictly a cap issue? The problem for Carolina moving forward is that DeAngelo is going to want to get paid.

C'mon, Stewart signing was clearly just a favour to Stewart to try and resurrect his career. He was not able to and it wasnt something that hurt the team. He simply disappeared over the course of the season
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The simple fact is he ignored his analytics people. It was a joke to sign the guy. Simple as that. The fact it was a favor is even more comical.